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channel to moscow, traces the fall from power and watergate. >> it started off in terms of having a legitimate national security concerns but quickly descended within about a year of the plumbers creation into political espionage. >> the plumbers uncovered the most serious offense of all, a pentagon spy ring that diverted 5,000 classified documents from kissinger's nsc into the hands of admiral thomas more, then chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. >> admiral's reporting to the chairman of the joint chiefs and enlisted men. charles radford who was kind of a body man for kissinger and al haig and stole documents from the nsc offices. >> it offers less a road map than a warning from history. secrecy in the conduct of foreign policy can produce great
ConcernsSecurityTermsWatergatePowerPlumbers-creation-into-political-espionageHandsPentagon-spy-ringDocumentsNscThomas-moreAllchannel to moscow, traces the fall from power and watergate. >> it started off in terms of having a legitimate national security concerns but quickly descended within about a year of the plumbers creation into political espionage. >> the plumbers uncovered the most serious offense of all, a pentagon spy ring that diverted 5,000 classified documents from kissinger's nsc into the hands of admiral thomas more, then chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. >> admiral's reporting to the chairman of the joint chiefs and enlisted men. charles radford who was kind of a body man for kissinger and al haig and stole documents from the nsc offices. >> it offers less a road map than a warning from history. secrecy in the conduct of foreign policy can produce great
ConcernsSecurityTermsWatergatePowerPlumbers-creation-into-political-espionagePentagon-spy-ringHandsDocumentsNscAllPlumbersand top aides going to prison and he would have, too, if he weren't pardoned. anderson cut some corners, didn't do stuff i teach at jay school but his overall legacy was positive despite, you know, some stuff that raises eyebrows. >> let's talk about that, 1971, india and pakistan were at war. anderson reported, this was a bombshell at the time the u.s. was secretly tilting toward pack san in the war. his source for the documents that proved that story was a navy yeoman named charles radford. you found out something about the relationship. >> yeah, one of the things that anderson, you know, confided in me, not off the record, but was that he ended up paying radford indirectly buying some land. >> buying some land radford was selling through an intermediary. >> to disguise it. he bought it the at going rate and because he felt sorry for the guy after his career was torpedoed when it became known he was his source, but you know,
Jack-andersonStuffDidn-tHe-weren-tCornersAidesEyebrowsLegacyPrisonJay-school1971Documents heaping praise on keith olbermann and rachel maddow. glenn beck is one of the most popular broadcasters on the net. does he really believe what he's saying? dana milbank on the rhetoric. there was a time when jackw classified documents. i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources." anyone who makes his living in front of a microphone is going to say dumb things now and then but rick sanchez delivered a reckless rant on n a satellite radio interview that went on and on late friday cnn issued a terse statement saying is he no longer with the company. he brought a lot of passion to his job first at in the nbc and cnn, he was reading messages from his many twitter followers or one strange stunt getting tased. >> to show you how it works, i'm about to receive 50,000 volts of electricity. do it. oh, yay-yah! oh! it hurts. i was just asking chad, how can you get a volcano in iceland? isn't it too -- when you think of a volcano you think of like hawaii and long words like that. you don't think of iceland. you think it's too cold to have a volcano there but no, there it is. i'll be honest with you, i am a naturalized u.s. citizen. i was not born in the united states. i was born in cuba, and then later on in my life i became a naturalized u.s. citizen and i've always been curious about how the naturalization process works. i just checked my twitter board just as i usually do to start the show, i got something like 1,800 tweets coming through. >> sanchez' mixture of animation and antics made him a natural target for comedians especially jon stewart. >> i'm looking athe the other side of the room. switch that cam with a ra. look at the guys we have over here, over there. i'm not sure who is directing, i'm -- >> you are. >> cnn, the most trusted name in overacaffeinated control freaks. >> rick sanchez delivers the news like a guy at a party who is doing a lot of coke and traps you in a corner and explains really intensely how an ant is the strongest animal on earth. >> well, sanchez must have been stewing about such lights. in a radio interview with pete dominick, rick punched back talking about his hispanic heritage and unfortunately went too far. >> when they look at a guy like me they see a guy automatically who belongs in the second tier and not the top tier. i think jon stewart's a bigot. the rick sanchez the little puerto rican guy. i'll make fun of him. he's upset that someone of myilying is myil ilk is almost at his level. >> ten it got worse. >> he's a minority as much as you are. >> he's, come on. >> he's jewish. >> yeah, very powerless people. i'm telling you that everybody who runs cnn is a lot like stewart, a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like stewart and to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are jewish are an oppressed minority? yeah. >> in other words, jews control the media and the banks, too? joining us to talk about sanchez' firing and the questions it raises about ethnicity and journalistic boundaries, boston carol simpson, long time former abc news anchor and correspondent in washington, jamie mcintyre, former cnn correspondent, fou founder of lineoftheblog.com. jamie mcintare, was a this an overreaction? could he have been suspended for tailsed? >> i think the unfortunate part actually is that sanchez was fired for these intempered comments and not really for what he did on cnn, which is seen by many people in the industry as kind of a joke. his delivery where he ad libbed the whole show and therefore had a little slips that jon stewart made fun of. >> what's wrong with being entertaining? >> well, it's okay to be entertaining, and i think people want that in television news, but what's missing there a lot of times is the context, and in the course of doing that he did a lot of sort of things that came off as very silly. his stunts about, you know, where he's out in the middle of the ocean to be rescued or in a sinking car. >> you didn't want to be rescued clearly. >> that's why jon stewart made fun of him, not because of his ethnic heritage. >> he's entitled to attack jon stewart, but about jews controlling the media that was a bit too far. >> he went too far. i think the problem is that all of this was building, was he not losing his show because the "eliot spitzer/parker" show was about to start, a day in which maybe everything, what, the perfect storm came together, and i think what happened was he just exploded with all of these things that had been in the back of his mind, and unfortunately, accusing jews of being in control of everything, and being prejudiced against him was unfortunate. >> he didn't lose his prime time show he was a fill-in waiting for the "parker spitzer" show to start tomorrow. he was promoting his book "conventional idiocy." he was trying to make a point about the elite northeastern establishment liberals who he thinks rule the world. is that a fair point for him to make? >> well no, actually as an anchor, his stock in trade is his credibility. he can't be seen as the guy who's lashing out at jews, at northeastern liberals, or even his employer. your credibility as an anchor depends on your neutrality and your credibility, and he blew it. that was the end of his credibility. no one can watch that guy again and say this is an objective newsman. >> what do you think of the fact, let me interrupt here, about the fact that sanchez is a valuable guy, hasn't had any comment on this? cnn which found this serious enough to get rid of him, which is probably the right decision, didn't make any statement condemning the remarks. >> well, i mean cnn is an employer, and in america, if you criticize your employer, the way he did, you're going to lose your job. he went public. it's on satellite radio, potentially now millions of people have heard rick sanchez' criticism of his own company, not kosher. >> you know i just want to say, i'm sure that rick san chelz has a cuban-american had to at some point overcome some discrimination but you know, everybody in this business, at some point has said to you, you know, you don't really have what it takes, you should consider another line of work. it's a very common thing and in your' a minority you might wonder whether prejudice is a factor. >> but at the same time dismissing prejudice is a factor. born in cuba, came up through miami television. >> any time you're a moinority that's a legitimate question because you don't know what people's motivations are, it happens to everyone but to say that he was made uncomfortable at cnn because of his hispanic heritage i think is close to delusional. i mean, i'm not the best person to comment -- >> opting to tame on jon stewart, rick sanchez doesn't realize jon stewart is a comedian and does a satirical show and rick sanchez provided the raw material for jon stewart to make fun of. >> more of a media critic than a comedian i would say. >> go ahead, carole. >> what i'm trying to say is that rick sanchez, i can appreciate where he's coming from in terms of feeling that his ethnicity may have been a problem for other people. as a minority, i experience that, and you have this sense that people are after you because of who you are. the fact that he, i'm not defending what he said at all, but i do understand his exploding with this charge that, it's because i'm cuban that people don't give me a chance. i talk about that in my own book of, feeling that way. so he had this subconscious feeling that people thought he wasn't as good as he was supposed to be and saw the jokes that jon stewart made against him as you know, something about who i am. when he's a comedian as you have said and also i would be happy if jon stewart were replaying my takes as silly as they may be. it's a lot of publicity. i can't understand us being that put off by it. >> we'll see if he can achange it. he makes fun of a lot of people. this interview went on for some time. it was not just a line that slipped out. sanchez seemed to be angry, have a lot of resentment. anger can work on television, bill o'reilly, keith olbermann. they get ticked off and the viewers, fans root for them but then there are boundaries. >> yes, and again, an odd target to pick on. this is a comedy show. rick san dhez chez is a public . >> needs a thicker skin. >> absolutely needs a thicker skin if you're going to be on television and if you're going to watch "the daily show" you'll find they will make fun of you. for the record, jon stewart never made fun of rick sanchez' ethnicity, never called him out on anything as a result of who he is. he made fun of what he did on television. >> also for the record, jon stewart's people would not comment to me but in a comedy central taping yesterday, stewart had a joke about this, if jews run the media he said all sanchez has to do is apologize to us and we'll hire him back. you don't think he should have been on the air at cnn at all particular the direction his show involved. >> the reason that jon stewart was able to mock him so effectively is that rick did so many mockable things and he did them over again so remockable. >> for a journalist? >> it's a different style of journalist, it's a tabloid style of journalism more interested in inflaming public opinion than informing public opinion. i would encouraged if cnn decided it wanted to go a little bit away from that and more back toward context but for whatever reason i think cnn is probably a little bit better off without rick sanchez. >> carole, do you think the setbacks of trying to climb the ladder in a tough and competitive business like television, not only share sanchez' resentment but look for scapegoats, well that guy got the job that, woman got the onand i didn't. why is that? >> exactly. i think too many minorities fall back on the issue of race and ethnicity to explain all of their setbacks, which i don't think is true. i agree with jamie, i mean, i kind of thought of rick as a blowhard, someone who was very full of himself, and i found him very amusing to watch on tv, but he thinks that he could have been better and bigger and all of these other things, and he wasn't because of his race, as being a cuban-american, and then it tickled me because he looks as white as any white man, i mean, without his name, you probably would not know he was cuban. >> it's an odd sort of resentment, though, this guy has his own show on cnn. >> two hours on cnn, filled in on prime time twice. >> hardly a failure but of course you take the scars that you've had coming up through the system, and undoubtedly there are resentments but to lash out at jews in the media, that's the oldest kind of prejudice and -- >> maybe he's ticked off eliot spitzer is getting the time slot. he of course is jewish. >> i was with cnn for almost 20 years. in the time i was here and this is coming from an old white guy but i found it to be a place that celebrated die verpsity that, encouraged diversity, became more diverse over the time i was here. i don't think sanchez' complaint squares with the fact especially when you look at how much cnn supported, promotored him and gave him really high profile assignments. >> briefly, paul does he have a future? >> i don't think so, maybe at the local level but i think he's tabt tainted, radioactive. >> i disagree. i think you'll see him again. >> carole simpson in boston thanks for joining us. paul fahre, jamie mcintyre, thank you. when we come back his scoops infeweriated the nixon administration but did jack anderson engage in underhanded tactics of his own? the author of a new book says yes. it's work through the grime and the muck, month. tow and pull without getting stuck month. sweat every day to make an honest buck...month. and if you're gonna try and do this in anything other than a chevy... well, good luck...month. great deals on the complete family of chevy trucks all backed for a hundred thousand miles. it's truck month. now, during truck month, get 0% apr financing on all trucks and full-size suvs like this 2011 silverado. see your local chevrolet dealer. of some of the annoying symptoms menopause brings. go introducing one a day menopause formula. the only complete multivitamin with soy isoflavones to help address hot flashes and mild mood changes. new one a day menopause formula. 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(voice 3) great exercise guys. let's run it again. in the years leading up to watergate jack an derson was washington's most influential and controversial investigative reporter. he broke all kinds of big scandals, often getting his hands on classified documents and winning a pulitzer prize in the process. anderson drove the nixon administration nuts in which liddy had bizarre plots to kill him and he was put under surveillance. >> they witnessed the birth of my first child, sherri and quickly learned one of my great vices, that i like to slip into a movie about once a week. my anger at being followed by the fbi, my anger having a file on me was tempered by a proverse pride that i was important enough for the fbi to keep a watch on >> as the white house tapes may clear nixon and john mitchell were obsessed with the columnist. >> a new book charges that anderson was often as devious as nixon using underhanded methods to secure his scoops. mash feldstein joins me in studio. you were once an intern for jack anderson. >> i was. >> i was a reporter in the late '70s for anderson. i was interested in your book. here is a guy widely admired in his heyday for exposing a corrupt administration, and yet you say in some ways his tactics were as bad as nixons. explain. >> i wouldn't say as bad as nixons. his were misdemeanors, fix nixo were felonies. he cut some corners. nixons resulted in thousands of deaths and abuse of powers of the state. and top aides going to prison and he would have, too, if he weren't pardoned. anderson cut some corners, didn't do stuff i teach at jay school but his overall legacy was positive despite, you know, some stuff that raises eyebrows. >> let's talk about that, 1971, india and pakistan were at war. anderson reported, this was a bombshell at the time the u.s. was secretly tilting toward pack san in the war. his source for the documents that proved that story was a navy yeoman named charles radford. you found out something about the relationship. >> yeah, one of the things that anderson, you know, confided in me, not off the record, but was that he ended up paying radford indirectly buying some land. >> buying some land radford was selling through an intermediary. >> to disguise it. he bought it the at going rate and because he felt sorry for the guy after his career was torpedoed when it became known he was his source, but you know, it certainly, it hadn't been known at the time would have opened him up to criminal prosecution. >> you asked whether this was a payoff. he said? >> i didn't ask him. it was basically a payoff. i could argue it wasn't but it really was. >> journalists make promise to confidential sources. explain how he got hold of the private tax records of george wallace, the alabama governor who is going to run for president against nixon in '7 and what he ultimately did to the source? >> that was a bizarre story and led to an article of proposed article of impeachment against nixon because he actually for a time anderson managed to cultivate nixon as a source, and nixon through his -- >> top people? >> with nixon's go ahead clearly with the green light from the president illegally leaked the confidential tax records of a nixon rival, george wallace. >> irs documents? >> secret irs documents, and the irs went berserk when they discovered what the white house this done but anderson and nixon both benefited. anderson, he got the great scoop, nixon because he helped sideline a rival for his re-election. >> after that story exploded, anderson revealed where he got the documents, didn't he? >> he bit the hand that leaked to him and jack anderson in his own way had a certain integrity. he would take dirt from anybody, but if he found something bigger on you, he'd burn you, too, because his view was the most important thing was what the public should know and the biggest crimes the publics should know. >> one of the things i found out chilling in your book was, and both sides did this, we'll talk about it in a moment was the strain of homophobia that ran through that era. back to the white house tapes, richard nixon and h.r. halderman discussing ambitions about anderson and a member of his staff who later became a fox news anchor. >> it would be great if we could get him on the homosexual thing. >> the chief of staff of the white house saying that with the president in the room, and everybody concurring. >> is he married and he looks strange and what about anderson, what about drew pearson? >> too pretty? >> yeah. >> bizarre, but not. i mean that's one of the things i found in my research was that homophobia was this prevailing theme roughout the mid 20th century, both by nixon and by anderson. anderson did these gay outings before it was fashionable starting with joe mcconsider thee and his aide, ronald reagan's own staff. >> anderson was looking into h.r. halderman and john urlich had a relationship. >> even j. edgar hoover, absolute career disruption but nixon believed that subversion, going back to a case was also related to homosexuality. he talked about aristotle and sack december homos and led to the decline of the greek empire. bizarre stuff. communism was the enemy without toward nixon. homosexuality was the enemy within. >> we don't have time to go through some of the other instances but instance involved late senator robert byrd, anderson was blackmailing him. when you add up what he was able to reveal in holding nixon accountable and of course throughout his career, and some of these tactics that he used as a guy who worked for him were you ly disillusioned and disappointed? >> i wasn't surprised. he cut corners and overall he did more good than bad by far. i wish we had more reporters digging out the stuff, not being stenographers for those in power. i never had the stomach to cut corners the way he did, but he was overall a force for good, despite the unprincipled things he sometimes did. >> despite the blemishes. mark feldstein, thank you for joining us. coming up on the second half, president obama rips fox news again while the white house just swoons over msnbc. plus dana milbank on radio dj turned crusader dplen beck. glenn beck. 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joining us now, dana milbank, columnist for "the washington pos post", julie and matt lewis. matt, does obama's trash talking about fox news help or hurt fox? >> i think it helps fox, clearly. you know n fact there was a recent survey that came out i think showed that fox is the most trusted in certain terms of people getting their news, 42% i think compared to i think 22% for cnn and 12% for msnbc. people getting -- >> primary election news. >> maybe they find it entertaining but clearly this is good for fox. i think it's good for obama if your goal is to rev of the liberal base and that's clearly the strategy they've employed. >> dana, every time obama talks about fox seems like he elevates them. >> i think fox should be sending him flowers each time he does that. encouraging him to do it over and over again. the obama administration has been terrific for fox news, less great for others. you always want to be in the opposition particularly when it's an ideological network or outlet so he's been a magnificent gift for them and he makes it very difficult for msnbc. >> julie mason why would bill burton single out olbermann and maddow? >> it's strange. burton does msnbc no favors by declaring it the network of the white house, of the obama administration because you know rachel maddow holds herself down as a journalists and there are journalists at msnbc just like fox news it's not all pundits, not all o'riley, there's actual journalists trying to do their job. for the white house to give a stamp of approval undermines the credibility of the journalism going on just like it does when he credit sizes fox. >> a liberal commentator for sure but an vice president with vice president biden. >> shes aa viewpoint but considers herself a journalist. >> fox news corps giving $1 million to the chamber of commerce, chamber trying to elect republican this is fall and this follows the $1 million news corp donation to the government association. other companies make these donations but not at this magnitude and not only to one side. does this make it look matt lewis like the newscorp is in bed with the republican side? >> i think you're right, general electorate and nbc and other networks, but also let's keep in mind -- >> 1 million bucks. >> rupert murdock in favor of more emigration, testifying the other day, a lot of conservatives seeing that as wanti wanting illegal immigration. it's not always in terms of being on the talking points, but i think it is an interesting topic to bring up. clearly it's like a newspaper, there has to be separation between the, you know, editorial page and the news page and i any terms of ownership, if rupert murdock is going in there saying you guys. need to talk about this, that's a serious issue. otherwise i think we could say that about other networks. >> i want to play sound involving fox news, karl rove, late of the bush white house and dick maher, some analysis of these midterm races. >> now is the time to lay it on strong. the republicans have come this far because of very strong convictions. >> i think question win, the republicans will win a huge number of them as well as state legislative chambers. >> i'm helping raise $50 million, $3 million of which we've spent on behalf of sharron angle in nevada. >> morris told politico he's in for the first time endorsing candidates, out there campaigning, he said i'm outraged by the obama agenda. should they be on as analysts, when they are so actively helping one side? >> well, and three of the leading republican presidential contenders are actually on the fox news payroll, so -- >> those that don't watch much fox, sarah palin, and newt gingrich. >> and others. >> ex-politicians. >> here is the distinction, there's nothing wrong with being an ideological network, a conservative network is one thing. a republican network is something very different, so fox doesn't want to look like they're hilling for the republican party just like msnbc doesn't want to look like they're hilling for the democrats. nothing wrong with being liberal or conservative. you lose credibility when it appears that you are an actual partisan. >> to me, raising money is the dividing line. cnn's contributors include james carville, paul we gala sign fund-raisers for democratic leading groups and i don't think anybody who does that ought to be on as a commentator but cable networks disagree. >> no, you're absolutely right and again undermines the credibility of the message and it increases that sort of apathy and cynicism about what's going on in the news media and in politics. it's a difficult marriage, it's unfortunate it undermines us all. >> msnbc three guys, chris matthews, ed schultz and harold ford considered running for the senate as democrats although they did not. does any of that, you think i'm splitting hairs here or should, karl rove did criticize christine o'donnell for five minutes. >> he did it with force. >> my question to karl rove, he's raising money, was he invested in mike cassell of the republican wing. he was critical of christine o'donnell, as was i, i should add, but i had no, you know, financial interest in that. i'm not accusing him of that, but once you start to allow money to enter into t we start to ask questions that should be disclosed. >> on friday rahm emanuel emotional ceremony leaving the white house. aren't the journalists going to miss rahm, spent a lot of time yelling at reporters on and off the record. >> yes but the obama administration can be a little boring sometimes, and rahm really brought the entertainment value right up there. he was from the cover. >> he was one of the great press secretaries we've ever had. >> what about pete rouse, a strong solid time he didn't speak at the ceremony in which he was introduced as the interim chief of staff. let me get in commercials. up next should journal ipss jump on every flimsy allegation that pops up, whether it's against meg whitman or other candidates? 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[ male announcer ] with xerox, you're ready for real business. julie mason, california governor's race, meg whitman is the republican nominee, when gloria allred announced she'd hold a news conference with whitman's former undocumented nanny, before we knew the details people were writing about it, blogging about it. what happened to waiting for the facts? seriously? >> the internet happened and i know there's a lot of hand wringing over this and the rush to judgment and the trivialization of politics. i don't think that it comes at the expense of good, serious substantive reporting so i don't think we can get too upset about it. >> i'm not upset. i'm not saying it's not a serious allegation, if she employed somebody and knew the person was here illegally. that's a serious allege. we pulled the trigger without knowing whether there was any evidence. >> that's true and we rushed to it and no offense, matt, a lot of it is blogger-driven. >> it's your fault. >> and twitter driven as well. >> and twitter driven, exactly. there's such a rush to be first and have the best development and everything and that's how we make money. okay. >> dana, this is a tape gone viral in the new york governor's race, republican nom fee carl paladino, confronting fred dicke of the "new york post" what he considered an unfair post. >> i'll take you out. >> how are you going to do that? >> watch. >> i'll take you out, buddy. paladino -- >> you talking to me? >> has acknowledged fathering a 10-year-old daughter out of wedlock, still mr rmarried and threw out the charge, look at andrew cuomo affairs, and then got reported. >> same thing, and it is this notion of our new media culture, not much we with do about it that it's almost like there are different rules for the internet, particularly for twitter, who cares if that's true, right? we'll just figure it out in the end but i think there's going to be a backlash against this. i hope there will be a backlash against this and people will ultimately decide okay, we're actually going to have to figure out what's really going on, and there will be a return to real news, as opposed to this instand stainious ioiou iouious instantn of here's what i think of what may or may not be happening. >> figures are saying it's the internet, not some segregated swamp over here, "the washington post," "new york times," "l.a. times" are all websites blogging, too, and often repeating in real time. >> they are but i do think as someone who is a blogger and got started on the internet not in print, that there's truth to it. the rules have changed and it's my incentive to be first, but i think the way you do it, if you do it responsibly, if you say these allegations are being made, that is actually factual, and then you develop the story, if people follow on twitter or read online real reliable sources, they'll be fine. we'll present it, this is being talked about, this is developing, and ultimately you will get to a thorough analysis. >> the problem is not the internet. the problem is the way people are doing it. you google a bit of news you're looking for, and if you find it from politics daily or "the washington post" you're more likely to click on that than on some of the other sites, that's where i think there will be a backlash. >> a "new york post" reporter was holding him accountable saying prove your allegation. >> we have to leave it there. thanks for joining us. stick around. just ahead, what makes glenn beck so popular and does he really believe his own rhetoric? dana milbank on his new book in a moment. advantage has gingko for memory and concentration plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. 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>> i think there's many things to respect about the man. he is, love him or hate him a brilliant entertainer. i think he is one of the great opportunists in our culture. he sees where things are going. he reinvents himself to get out in front of that and lead the parade. >> beck says in a "new york times" magazine piece that happens to be out today that he is a recovering dirtbag, everyone knows a former alcoholic, there he is. he found god, became a mormon, developed this message. you're saying or suggesting he's a charlatan and doesn't believe some of what he says in. >> i don't think anybody can get had n his head and know how deeply he holds true the things he says but we have certain facts, a dozen years ago he was pro-choice, pro-abortion rights and wearing a pony tail. we know that when george w. bush was president he came out in favor of the t.a.r.p. bailout for banks. and then now rails against it. so we do know that he's changed his views at convenient times. very difficult to know what he actually believes or what comes out of his mouth. >> beck says a lot of inflammatory things, that's part of his style. you see him as peddling conspiracy theories and talking about you see him as peddling conspiracy theories and talking about nazis a lot. >> yes. i think over the first 18 months, nazis came up in his show 200 times, fascists 200 time. poor gerbils only got two dozen mentions. but even bill o'reilly says beck is successful because he's willing to take ain't five steps further than o'reilly is. and that's by going on fox and friends and saying, i can't debunk the idea that our federal government through free ma is operating concentration camps in wyoming. >> he didn't endorse it -- >> he said, i can't disprove it, and then a month later he says, those were doctored photos from a north korean president. he corrected it a month later after a rather violent incident related to that. >> and there was a nine murder in pittsburgh, allegedly committed by a guy who believes that the new world order and government are plotting against their citizens. you say in the book, "it goes a bit too far to blame glenn beck for this, but beck's words are inspiring the fringe." isn't that guilt by association? >> well, except that the people who are committing these acts often mentioned glenn beck themselves. we had another case of a guy shooting at the cops out in san francisco, attempted to blow up the tides foundation -- >> what if somebody committed a violent act and said, i read dana milbank's comments and i'm -- >> that's why i say it goes too far to hold him responsible for that, but when you have a guy who's taking, as the antidefamation league says, these fringe conspiracy theories and giving them an audience of, i don't know, 10 million people a week on the radio, nearly 3 million a night on fox news, you're elevating something that has always been on the fringe in american politics and putting it front and center. while you can't be blamed for any individual act, it is evidence that he's disseminating a very dangerous doctrine. >> you think he's dangerous? >> well, i think it's been manifestly true that he's dangerous, but he's very powerful as well. >> you haven't proven that he's dangerous. you've proven that -- you've argued that he says a lot of things that you don't like. >> and when a man is frequently talking about hitler and nazis and then you see the tea party rally with the same quotations of tea parties and nazis, the one-world government, the united nations taking over civilization, posters of dockhow, you have to say, where does all this come from and why is it suddenly out in the open. >> you mentioned his huge audience, so what makes him so popular? what do you make of the people who turn to him for inspiration? >> in a country of 310 million people, 2 million watching him is not a huge number, but it's a huge number -- a small number of very passionate followers. now, i think some of this is he very cleverly speaks to -- he's a mormon, very cleverly speaks in terms of mormon prophesy and conspiracy theories. i think that generates some of his audience. and some of it is also out of fear. he talks about the world sending. people advertise for vegetable seeds on his show so you can keep it in a locked box and when the apocalypse comes, you can plant it and grow vegetables in your backyard. he's pushing gold coins. his audience is really frightened people who with really think the end is coming. >> i'll tune in to see if he talks about dana mill bank on his show this week. thanks for joining us. still to come, facebook founder mark zuckerberg can't buy good press even with $100 million. and the latest media stump with that fake pimp, james o'keefe. the only complete multivitamin with soy isoflavones to help address hot flashes and mild mood changes. new one a day menopause formula. time now for the media monitor. our weekly look at the hits and errors in the news business. here's what i like, cnn's abbie boudreau reporting a documentary on conservative activists tried to arrange an interview with james o'keefe, he the guy who dressed up as a pimp to run that undercover sting against a.c.o.r.n. and then was arrested for infiltrating senator mary landrieu's office. boudreau discovered that he was planning a hidden camera sting against her and cnn. the setting, a boat filled with sexual props, such as dildos and fuzzy handcuffs. >> why is his goal to get me on the boat? she said, because, on the boat he's going to be there, dressed up and he's going to have strawberries and champagne waiting for you and he was going to hit on you the whole time. >> that is a new low. even o'keefe's biggest backer, andrew breitbart demanding an explanation, calling o'keefe's plan pay tently gross and offensive. good for anderson cooper. the guy has a lot of energy, but depending on what direction he goes in, the new oprah, ellen degeneres, dr. phil, it could cast out on his credibility as a news anchor. and here's an example of knee-jerk cynicism. mark zuckerberg, as you may have heard, is the subject of a new movie that paints an unflattering portrait of facebook's founder. >> you don't think i deserve your attention? >> there's no requirement that i enjoy sitting here listening to people lie. you have part of my attention. you have the minimum amount. the rest of my attention is back at the offices of facebook where my colleagues and i are doing things that no one in this room, including and especially your clients are intellectually or creatively capable of doing. did i adequately answer your condescending question? >> the 26-year-old ceo also gave a thunlg gift this week to the struggling newark school system, unveiling it on oprah. >> i've committed to starting the start-up education foundation, whose first project will be a $100 million challenge grant -- >> $100 million. >> $100 million. >> $100 million. >> and the predominant media reaction, oh, zuckerberg is just trying to repair his image to deflect attention from the movie to get himself so the good publicity. >> do you think he's doing this to save face? >> the question is, how much of this is to counterbalance some of the negative pr
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