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Involved so far down the road? we, are any day now, expecting an indictment, possibly. why are we still talking to junior possibly incidental people? >> it sounds like at least with one of the witnesses that was in the grand jury on thursday, william russell, this may be his third time in the grand jury. what that tells me is that they actually are far down the road, and theyre tying up some loose ends here. they are, they clearly have, at this, point of prosecution memo, there is a draft indict...