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Oversimplification but there are some lines like nationalization and price controls which you saw in chavezs venezuela, youve seen a little in arrange tina under the kirchn. r, especially recently versus private markets and high levels of taxation redistribution that youve seen in lulas brazil. and the brazil model has been very successful. extremely successful. again, thats partly because of commodity prices have gone up. they export a lot of ethanol, they export a lot of soy. but i wonder what...

Of austerity and liberalism, reaganism on steroids, 7% per capita. add to that the serial -- building volatility into the system. so 2008 in mexico, 2002 in argentina and what emerged are social movements that turned latin america into the vanguard of the socialization movement. >> another thing weve seen is inequality reduced, right? you made this point. thats partly because commodity prices have gone up but partly because there was an egalitarian agenda of those aelectricitied. lula, chavez, k...

Need to know. i want to talk about lula, who i find to be one of the most fascinating figures in the world and different models of latin america. [ snoring ] ♪ [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] zzzquil™ sleep-aid. [ snoring ] [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] its not for colds. its not for pain. its just for sleep. [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] because sleep is a beautiful thing™. [ birds chirping ] zzzquil™. the non-habit forming sleep-aid from the makers of nyquil®. ♪ a hairline fracture...

Appealing model more broadly. >> but thats -- this point is very interesting, right? if inequality is going down in countries both with left and right governments, thats a fascinating thing, right? that doesnt happen very often. i mean, what is the story -- i guess my question is, is that just -- i guess were talking around the same thing. natural resources, is that really the story here? i look at politics and i find the politics of lulas brazil, which are complicated and theres corruption scan...

Solidarity, affinity, all of that expected. if you look at brazil and venezuela, theyre two very different models. theres a give and take. take one country, peru. peru is a country that hasnt had a leftist government at all. if you look at gdp, poverty gone down. big commodity producers. >> colombia as well. >> under santos, not a man of the left. >> no. >> and the current president of peru backed -- was identified with chavez in 2006, lost. then he came back in 2011 had advisers from lula, who ...

Coming from commodity taxes. >> thats right. >> going back to the distinction between lula and chavez, they both came out of very different contexts, right? chavez came out of a context of complete collapse and he basically was presiding over the reformation. lula was elected in a very complex, established political system. that to a large degree, the left, the ptl built after the -- >> the workers party. >>y yes. after the dictatorership. so there was much -- in chavez was in brazil, would he b...

They rempresent different experiences. they operate in this framework that has emerged out of the ruins of washington consensus that also being able to control your taxes, control your commodities so it isnt all geared toward keeping the bond markets happy in washington or having the u.s. -- >> although -- >> -- single market, single source of credit. theres been a diversification. there hasnt been a break with the model but a diversification of credit and capital and brazil and venezuela have l...

Capital flowing out. >> i want to make the point that i think without chavez lula would have been seen as being on the far left. >> another good point. >> and the fact that chavez was there with his provocative statements, the united states and europe are like, yes, lets collaborate with lula. we have someone whos a moderate who would not have -- >> can chavez was the blocking in terms of lula, the running back, in terms of this relationship. >> one thing washington could learn is to apply the w...

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