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an enigma, and prime minister churchill, meet vladimir putin. >> he is really much very much a leader, and he has done an amazing job. so smart. >> and he doesn't have a soul. >> and vladimir putin is a thug and a murderer and a killer. >> he is the richest man in the world. hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth. >> what does he want from donald trump? >> putin is going to eat him like a sandwich. >> he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> you are the puppet. >> just how powerful is he? >> putin has an untram melled a authority. >> i have not seen the checks on the power. >> so powerful that he apparently tried to the rig the american election. >> of course putin wanted hillary clinton to lose. he despised hille lary clinton
>> who do you want vladimir putin or a crook? >> and so americans are asking, what did putin get and what more does he want? is he really the most powerful man in the world? >> december 5th, 1989. it was a cold night in dresden, east germany, and it would change the course of vladimir putin's life. the berlin wall had just fallen.
they were lash iing out against communist rule. that night in dresden they found a target, the local kgb headquarters. the mob was outside and peering through the curtaining was a young kgb lieutenant colonel named vladimir putin. >> he was terrified that they were going to storm the building. >> putin was a junior officer, but the boss was away. he was in charge. >> the berlin wall had come down. police weren't going to help and he called for instructions. >> desperate for help putin dialed kgb headquarters in moscow over and over again. >> finally one official told him simply moscow is silent.
>> and i think it felt like a deep betrayal to him. >> vladimir putin was on his own. he went down into the bowels of the building and fired up the furnace. >> he finds himself in the basement at a furnace shoveling documents as he hears demonstrations out on the street. >> they are burning the secret files so fast that the furnace is blowing up. >> putin torched thousands of pages of kgb documents and secrets as the crowd closed in. with the fire still raging, putin went outside and faced the mob by himself. there are armed guards inside, he told them. they will shoot you. and he's able to bluff his way
out of it and tell the crowd, don't try it here. you're going to get hurt. >> putin's threat worked. the mob dispersed. >> this is the drama that stays with putin all the time. the fear of popular uprising. ♪ >> vladimir putin quells that fear with absolute control. ♪ this is what control looks like. ♪ in one of the world's busiest cities the streets are emptied for vladimir putin's motorcade. ♪ 12 million people simply disappear on putin's inauguration day.
putin on the russian airwaves. none. not one word. >> putin controls everything in russia. >> putin has an untrammelled authority. >> i don't see any checks here. >> he is able to make sing ular rapid decisions around and the absolutism there is unlike anything even in russia. >> the approval rate is up over 80%, and that is according to american pollsters. >> donald trump win s ts the presidency. >> but when the united states elected a new presidency, it looked like russia had fallen for a new leader.
there were toasts all over moscow. and the parliament known as the du duma, on talk shows, and at bars. ♪ we are the champions ♪ ♪ of the world >> but withone man seemed utter unsurprised by trump's victory. >> he is happy to take credit, and that means that he won the u.s. election. the man who is simultaneously the president of russia and in charge of the united states. >> at the heart of all of this are some deadly serious questions. does vladimir putin have some kind of hold over donald trump? we simply don't know. but one reality is now crystal
clear, american intelligence has established that putin interfered with our election in order to help donald trump. mr. putin did not agree to answer questions about this, but his closest aide dmitri peskov did. >> the simple answer is no. you are humiliating yourselves saying that the country can intervene in your election proce process. america, a huge country, and country number with the most power nfl the world, and this is simply impossible. >> we will get to the truth of all of this, but to do that, we need to go back to the final days of the country vladimir putin loved. >> i think that down deep in putin, there is this sense of extraordinary humiliation over the collapse of the soviet yun n
vladimir putin. he became a politician, deputy mayor in his hometown of st. petersburg. it was not a big job, but putin clearly had big dreams. he commissioned this rarely seen documentary about himself, presenting vladimir putin, the credits read, in power. weirdly the sound soundtrack from the broadway show "cats." the ambitious putin may already have been looking towards moscow because the russian people were desperate for strong leadership. under president boris yeltsin the new democracy was a mess. >> the entire soviet system, it just collapsed. >> the oligarchs, the men who profited on the spoils of
>> waiting in the wings was vladimir putin. he had taken a job in moscow in the kremlin hierarchy. and he had risen through the ranks with lightning speed. >> from city bureaucrat to kremlin superstar. >> he had just become acting prime minister when it became blindingly clear the country needed a new president. >> so yeltsin was ready to topple over, and they settled on putin because they knew that yeltsin could retire and not be put in jail. >> boris yeltsin was notoriously corrupt, but kremlin power brokers wanted to protect him. >> so the deal was made, the deal was made. >> december 31st, 1999. >> the surprise announcement from boris yeltsin that he is resigning as president and turning over power to his prime minister vladimir putin.
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beautiful man that you'll see. >> but the biggest surprise, america also loved vladimir putin. president george w. bush thought that he'd found a kindred spirit. >> i looked the man in the eye. i found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy. i was able to get a sense of his soul. >> even hollywood fell for the new russian president. he bonded with stars at a charity dinner. ♪
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today! how many times will she leave her mark? how many ways will she light up the world? this is the woman. >> at the heart of the hacking scandal that rocked the 2016 presidential election. >> ladies and gentlemen. >> was an old grudge. >> my mother, my hero and our next president hillary clinton. ♪ this is my fight song >> it went beyond ideology. it was personal. ♪ this is my fight song >> vladimir putin was not a fan of hillary clinton. >> of course putin wanted
hillary clinton to lose. he hated hillary clinton. >> prime minister, we have a lot of problems. >> the tension between the leaders had been brewing for years. >> in 2001 another american leader, george w. bush, vouched for putin. >> i was able to get a sense of his soul. >> thank you, thank you. >> but on the campaign trail in 2008 hillary had a different take. >> i could have told him he was a kgb agent. by definition he doesn't have a south. i mean, this is a waste of time, right? >> mrs. clinton said that you as a former kgb agent by definition can have no soul. >> putin's reply. statesmen shouldn't be guided by their hearts. they should use their heads. clinton had a lot of tough words for putin over the years. >> he's a very arrogant person to deal with. we have to stand up to his bullying.
he is somebody who will take as much as he possibly can. >> but it was what happened in 2011 that marked a point of no return. it began with the arab spring protests early that year. the kind of popular uprising that putin dreaded. >> he begins to see himself through the eyes of hosni mubarak. >> mubarak of egypt was facing prosecution. syria's bashar al assad was on the ropes. libya's strongman moammar gadhafi met a particularly gruesome fate, brutally killed after begging for his life. putin may have feared the same bloody fate for himself. just a few weeks later,
rebellion arrived in russia. tens of thousand rallied in the streets of moscow. the biggest protest there since the fall of the soviet union. >> people were hanging off lamp posts. people were in the streets. it was really shocking. >> putin was now living the same nightmare he had endured as the kgb officer in east germany in 1989. this time in his own backyard. and he wasn't even president at the time. he was prime minister. having handed the presidency over to his associate, dmitry medvedev. >> as the winter went longer and longer and got colder and colder the protests got bigger and bigger. as putin saw people turning against him, hillary clinton
weighed in. >> the russian people, like people everywhere, deserve the right to have their voices heard and their votes counted. >> when putin hears something that, i imagine he hears bush talking about saddam hussein. he hears that as they are coming for me. they are trying to drive me from power and what the hell do you know about me and whether or not our people should have their voices heard? i will tell you if they should be heard. >> that fall, it was announced that putin would run for president again, for a third time. that meant that he could potentially rule russia until
2024. >> some people said, oh, my god, i will die with this guy in power. >> a few months later, the elections for russia's parliament were a farce. >> we do have serious concerns about the conducts of the elections. >> hillary clinton called out the election rigging. i don't think she realized quite how badly that was going to go down. >> with his back against the wall putin turned the tables. he blamed the protests on hillary clinton. claiming that she was the one who incited them with her complaints about the election. >> there are growing restrictions on the exercise of fundamental rights. >> quote, unquote, she sent a signal, that was his words.
>> putin's strategy propelled him to victory. in march 2012 he won re-election handily. fighting back tears after a tense fight to maintain his power. he may have won the day but vladimir putin never forgot about the woman who had kicked him when he was down. >> do you think he had resolved you interfered with my elections, two can play at this game? >> i think that that's the line of thinking that led him to the intervention. beginning as early as 2015.
>> putin personally ordered a massive influence campaign to sway the 2016 e election towards trump according to the ci a a the fbi and the nsa. and why? in part, because he holds a grudge against clinton for her actions in 2011. the alleged operation was sophisticated and multi faceted. an army of internet trolls bankrolled by millions of dollars to launch and at attack on clinton in key swing states. >> they are smart enough to know that the social media is the way to touch americans personally. >> 13 russians have been indicted by special counsel robert mueller. and elite hackers linked to russia esasing embarrassing
information with astounding results. >> the wikileaks -- >> and this latest leak is a tr trump dream come true. >> and several more russians were indicted for that operation. donald trump was delighted by clinton's misfortune. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope that you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> donald j. trump will become the 45th president of the united states defeating hillary clinton. >> again, america's election went putin's way. >> i have just received a call from secretary clinton. >> hillary clinton the was quite negative about our country and the attitude. >> it would not be bad to get along with russia, right? >> and to the contrary, the other candidate, donald trump was saying that we have to find some understanding. >> and when people like me, i like them. even putin. >> and whom would you like
better? >> this is not the outcome that we wanted. >> hillary clinton suffered one of the most shocking defeats in american history. >> i know how disappointed you feel, because i feel it, too. >> at least in part because of the alleged hacking operations. >> this is painful and it will be for a long time. >> putin had apparently avenged his old grudge. >> so help me god. >> congratulations, mr. president. >> and he may have achieved even more. >> the 45th president of the united states. >> if donald trump is in some way compromised. if the russian government has something that it feels it has on him in terms of the leverage, that is a very serious thing. i don't suggest for a second that i have to a answer to this question, but we can't just let this matter drop.
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littered with surveillance cameras. a all of those cameras, and amazingly this grainy faraway video is the only footage that exists in a critical moment of russian history. inside the circle of what a moscow tv station purports to be boris nemtsov and his girlfriend. nemtsov was, of course, the well-known russian opposition leader who led the protests in 2011. the station says that while the snowplow hides the two from cameras view nemtsov was killed, shot four times in the back. >> a prominent russian opposition figure has been shot and killed. >> four of the shots hit him in the back. >> right out in the open, just blocks from the kremlin. >> so who murdered boris nemtsov? vladimir putin condemned the killing calling it shameful and
impudent, and five chechens are found giuilty of the murder, bu many doubts remain. >> the assassination was extremely professional. >> russian-born journalist julia joffey says that only one group could be that profession aal. >> nemtsov's girlfriend, who was walking with didn't realize he had had been shot until the car was driving off. it was quick and professional and nobody has that training outside the government. >> senator john mccain takes it one step further. >> vladimir putin is a thug and a killer and a murderer and a kgb agent. he had boris nemtsov murdered in the shadow of the kremlin. >> this is personal insult. this is lousy behavior from a politician. >> that is putin's top aide and spokesman dmitry peskov. >> that's nonsense. it's nonsense. there's nothing to comment on. >> over the course of putin's
time in power his regime has been accused of involvement in the deaths of many of its critics, including the journalist anna politskaya and the former kgb agent litvinenko. some russian experts say that there are doz ens more like the. and then there are those who live to tell. the man seen in the surveillance footage at a u.k. convenience store is sergei skripal who moved here eight years ago after being are released from moscow where he was convicted of selling secrets as a member of mi6. he and his daughter were found unconscious on a shopping bench
in salisbury. the police concluded that the pair had been poisoned with a military grade nerve agent. and the u.k. authorities placed the blame on one person. >> it is tragic that president putin a has chosen to act in the way. >> putin shot back calling the accusations complete dribble and rubbi rubbish. >> it is nonsense. >> pro kremlin tv went further to blame the double agent himself. >> back to that night on the bolshoi bridge, the idea that president putin had anything to do with nemtsov's murder.
>> he was about to reveal information that had to do with russia's involvement in ukraine. >> that was released after his murder, but there was an earlier report by nemtsov that was clearly embarrassing for president putin. it claimed the president had 43 planes, 15 helicopters and 4 yachts at his disposal, including one super yacht and then there are the palaces. nemtsov's report says there were 20 presidential palaces available to putin at any time. one of the palaces known in the press simply as putin's palace was said to be worth $1 billion. >> this is not true. this is actually perverted commanding of reality. >> putin's spokesman dmitry peskov says every world leader, especially the leader of a
nuclear power like russia or the united states has access to state-owned homes and planes and helicopters that are safe and have secure communications. >> of course he uses these vehicles, this plane, these residences, but it's not his property. the rumors about his wealth, the rumors about the palaces has nothing to do with reality. it's just lies. >> the rumors of putin's wealth? well, some of them are simply staggering. >> and some people including myself believe that he's the richest man in the world or one of the richest men in the world. >> bill braddo was once the largest foreign investor in russia. now he's one of vladimir putin's toughest critics. we talked in 2015. you really think that putin is the richest man in the world? >> i think that and i'm not saying that crazily. >> estimate his net worth. >> 200 billion. >> really? >> i believe it's 200 billion. >> that would make putin almost
two and a half times wealthier than the man whom "forbes" says says it is more than the world's wealthiest jeff bezos. >> all these rumors, all the accusations about billions and billions of dollars as his fortune, this is not true. don't believe in that. >> he's got nothing. he's got what he writes in his personal financial declaration every year. >> putin's most recent financial declaration says he personally owns less than half an acre of land, a roughly 900-square foot apartment and a 200-square foot garage into which maybe he puts the vehicles listed in that document. two vintage russian sedans, a russian 4x4 and a trailer like this one. the document does not say how much putin has in the bank or in investments. top treasury official adam szubin talked to the bbc. >> i'm not prepared to give you figures, but what i can say he
supposedly draws a state salary of something like $110,000 a year. that's not an accurate statement of the man's wealth. >> we may not know exactly how much putin is worth, but we do know this. vladimir putin is remarkably popular in russia. why? we will tell you when we come back.
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under water and he rides a submarine to the bottom of the black sea and flies planes and fights forest fires. >> something ridiculous about a middle-aged world leader riding around shirtless on a horse like conan the barbarian after a dozen doughnuts. who thinks this looks good? >> everything that we find ridiculous about vladimir putin is very appealing in a media universe that he controls absolutely. >> perhaps the foundation of the putin juggernaut is a political truism no matter where you live. it is the economy, stupid. after the chaotic years of boris yeltsin, putin stepped in and stabilize the country, and he rode the wave of ever rising oil prices which in russia's resource-rich economy translated into rising wages and soaring
stock indices. then in late 2014, the party stopped. the oil prices slumped and soon after came western economic sanctions. vladimir putin has navigated hard times well. he has slashed social spending, implemented an austerity program and and allowed the ruble to al fall, and the central bank has kept inflation in check. putin is a fiscal conservative. >> the outward seemings seeming of wealth is similar to dubai. >> and then add to it his secret sauce, nationalism. and it surged in 2014 after an invasion that shocked the world. >> the bigger nations must not be allowed the bully the small. >> vladimir putin grab ad pie p
of ukraine for russia. the west was horrified. >> it is something that adoff hit ler did in the 1930s. >> but it was different in the russian eyes. >> i have never met a russian who believes that ukraine is a separate state. >> of course, many of the ukrainians deeply resented the invasi invasion, but not the russians, because they see it as a revival of the deep sense of power and destiny. >> putin has given them pride back. and russia is once again a great power. pewti putinism is national vichl a-- nationalism and above all he has
made russian great again. sound familiar? >> we will make america great again. >> usa. usa. >> like putin, trump has used nationalism to boost his support, but many believe that donald trump is no vladimir putin. >> putin is a much more practiced, subtle, cunning player. he is playing in poker terms a couple of deuces at the highest level. he has reasserted russia on the world stage from a position of relatively weakness like nobody i can think of. that is an amazing feat of geopolitics. . id you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering?
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finally, here are my thoughts on he whom we have called the most powerful man in the world. first, let me explain the title. the united states and china for that matter are more powerful countries than russia, of course, but the power of a head of state is determined both by the country's strength and the capacity he or she has to exercise that power, unilaterally, unconstrained by other institutions, parties, or political forces. and combining those two metrics it's easy to see why vladimir putin rises to the top. he has created what he calls a vertical of power unlike any we've seen in other great nations, as the russian chess grand master garry kasparov has noted, himself a harsh critic of putin, the entire construct of
russian political authority rests on one man. when the czar died, after all, you knew the process by which is his successor, his son, would be elevated. when the general secretary of the soviet communist party died, the standing committee and the politburo would pick his successor. but when putin dies -- almost said if, what will happen? no one knows. to understand putin you have to understand russia. the last 100 years for that country have seen the fall of communism, war, communism, collapse, and then comes vladimir putin. he ushers in two decades of stability and thanks to rising oil prices, increases the standards of living and prominence in the world.
russian russians do have immense national pride, and russia is after all the largest country on the planet, and 48 times larger tharn germany. it encompasses 11 time zones and stratles europe, asia and the middle east, and demands a prominent place on the world stage. after the summit in helsinki, he appears to have accomplished that goal and much more. but what did america get from this meeting? at the press conference after the summit, donald trump gave the perhaps most embarrassing performance of a american witness that i have witnessed or read about. his preposterous ways to get out of the troubles are even more absurd. >> the sentence should have been i don't see why it wouldn't have been rush sharks and sort of a double negative. >> but what is obscured by the embarrassing and disastrous performance is russia's
narrative. donald trump has always said that having better relations with russia would be a good thing. >> wouldn't it be a great thing if we could get along with russia. wou wouldn't that be a good thing? >> in this he is not alone. barack obama and hillary clinton both agreed on a reset in russia. >> so glad to see you. >> it was one of many efforts at conciliation including one from george w. bush. >> russia is not the enemy of the united states. >> but every reset and rapprochement failed. it is obvious they are not willing to bill themselves into the national order, but to destabilize the order. as he tries to the destabilize the west, he understands the vulnerabilities of the free societies and the internal divisions and the discord and the gaping openness, and he understands the fragility of the institutions like the european union and nato and the ideas
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>> he's absolutely right about that. nobody can be sure of anything. none of us can be sure of what to believe as of now, but how strange is it that that was rudy giuliani's answer to this question. >> the meeting with the russians, how can you be sure if the president didn't know beforehand. rudy giuliani's answer to that was, nobody can be sure of anything. with defense lawyers like that, who needs prosecutors? so why hasn't donald trump replaced his weak, tv defense lawyer who is doing a terrible job of defending donald trump? well, there are a few real possibilities and rational possibilities for that. one is that donald trump doesn't know what good lawyering looks like and sounds like. after all michael cohen was donald trump's lawyer for years. the same michael cohen who rudy giuliani now describes this way. >> the way is unethical.
absolutely nothing to do with evidence. is robert mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to president trump? including the fact that we had a very nasty and contentious business relationship? i turned him town to head the fbi one day before appointment to special counsel and comey is his close friend? this morning rudy giuliani was asked about the president's accusation that robert mueller has a conflict of interest. >> how can the president make this claim and not support it? >> he doesn't have to. >> what's the conflict? >> i can't tell you. i'm not sure i know exactly what the conflict is. >> that's it. that's the best giuliani could do with his client's own line of defense. now, i'm sparing you a bunch of high speed incoherent words that
rudy giuliani seems to me to make a certain sense if giuliani actually does have nothing better to say. if the evidence that he is aware of in this case gives him nothing else to say, it makes a certain sense that he talks as fast as he can, as if he went to that kellyanne conway school. >> i think the better answer for him ought to be him staying silent. if this is the best he can do, he is hurting his client. what he is saying really makes no sense. i read the transcript of that full interview, and it's almost impossible to understand what point he was even trying to make. and i think as a prosecutor or as a defense lawyer, you quickly learn that sometimes the facts are just completely against you
and you're better off saying nothing. and in this case, that's what it is. but he also hasn't got the law on his side. when he's yelling that there is no crime, that also isn't true and this argument about whether the word is collusion or conspiracy or aiding or abetting is simply a question of terminology. somehow the american public picked up the word collusion. there is no crime of collusion in the statutes, but there is a crime of conspireing together, of agreeing together, of working together, of aiding and abetting. if you take criminal conduct, the hacking, and you use that material, you are part of that. and it doesn't matter if you are the gunman in a murder, when you go in to rob a bank and someone gets killed, if someone else pulled the trigger, you are still guilty of murder because you were part of the conspiracy. i would say that we have plenty of evidence of conspiracy here. >> what jill says about staying silent is absolutely true for
most of possible criminal suspects in their attorney-client relationship. but a politician, as you know, is in a different situation. and politicians feel compelled to defend themselves publically at every stage of these kinds of processes and we have seen democrats in the past also find fault with prosecutors who were investigating them. we haven't seen anything quite as noisy as this. but if giuliani has nothing better to say and if there is a political calculation by donald trump and rudy giuliani that someone has to be out there defending the president on tv, there is probably a better way for giuliani to do this. just talk fast, don't make any sense, don't worry. donald trump's voters voted for someone who doesn't make any sense. >> i think that's what's happening here is really that they don't have a case -- they
don't have a legal case, right? this whole debate about collusion, i mean, first, we should just point out donald trump said there was no collusion for a long time. now giuliani is saying, oh, there was collusion but it's just not illegal. they're really playing semantics games to give an argument to their base at this moment. what i think is really happening is that they don't have an argument for the prosecutor. they probably know the prosecutor has a pretty strong case of aiding and abetting a crime, conspiracy of a crime. they're not really disputing that. giuliani is playing a semantic game about collusion itself, which no one has said the word collusion means a crime. obviously criminal conspiracy is a crime. but he's playing these word games. i think what he really is trying to do and what donald trump has been doing this entire year is he believes he will skate free of this if republicans are
unable to act on any report of indictment offenses. and he's disciplining his troops and disciplining the republican party to attack mueller, to oppose to say everything is political, to make up this new argument that there is conflicts of interest, but they won't tell what you say the conflicts of interest are. so republicans will not act on a report. and that is why these elections coming up in 99 days are so vitally important, because donald trump is placing a bet that the republican party -- he could -- he could be found colluding or criminal conspiracy, abetting or even shooting somebody on fifth avenue and the republican party will do nothing about it. that is why we need checks and balances and democrats to take a house of congress for some accountability for this president.
>> let's take a look at some of the risks involved in the giuliani tv strategy of talking so fast. today he revealed and it seemed to be by mistake that he believes rick gates, who has been indicted by the special prosecutor and is cooperating with the special prosecutor, was actually in a meeting strategizing how to handle the russian meeting. let's listen to this. >> he stated there was a meeting two days before the meeting took place with donald jr., jared, manafort and two others. gates and one more person. cohen also now says, because he says too much, that two days before he was in a meeting with roughly the same group of people, but not the president. definitely not the president. in which they were talking about the strategy of the meeting with the russians. the people in that meeting deny it, the people we have been able to interview. the people we have not been able to interview have never said that about that meeting.
>> your reaction to that, harry? >> you know, it is a complete slip of the tongue by him. the only sort of use -- you're right. it's all been incoherent. two big slip ups in the first. that's the first revealing not just gates is there but the very existence of that other meeting. and then the whole trying to move the goal post on collusion, years of no collusion, no collusion and, oh, wait, what's collusion? it was incoherent and frenetic and you were looking for someone to cart him away and give him a sedative. i don't agree that it's the best he can do. even if they don't have much in substance, you can try to contrast with the manic and crass -- speaking of crass, how
about the moment of, mueller, stand up and be a man? he could at least speak with some dignity, some calm, make certain legal points. even if you're chastising mueller, there is a way to do it that people might actually listen. this frenetic unhinged performance makes you think that nobody has any idea what they're doing over there and the real lawyer in charge must be tearing his hair out listening to both trump and giuliani completely losing it on national tv. by the way, at least trump's tweets are all going to be admissible. everything he says would come into court. just misstep after misstep. >> and it seems that rudy giuliani's calculation is that what worked for donald trump in
the campaign to eek out a win in the electoral college would work here. >> i have to say for everyone on tv what part of the donald trump presidency has been dignified so far? who associated with donald trump thinking the first job is to be dignified in their response on tv or anywhere else? but i think truly that rudy giuliani is just doing a kind of carnival barker experience here, experiment and trying to just throw sand in the air, muddy the waters, make people believe there is some response. donald trump has been incredibly successful in getting a minority of the country to agree with him on some pretty wild claims. i think that is their strategy going forward, to just get their base to believe this whole thing is tainted. the one thing i would say,
though, is that this strategy will be much less successful because people saw themselves, the broad public saw themselves bowing down to putin. and this whole issue of russia was made really clear to the american people and public polls have shown stronger support even amongst republicans for the mueller probe and for finding out what happens. and that's why i think the white house is almost in this panic and giuliani's performance is so panicked, particularly on the eve of the manafort trial. >> as to the question of conflict of interest for mueller, the rod rosenstein said in testifying to congress that there is a process in the justice department for bringing conflicts of interest to them. they're open to it. you want to bring them a conflict of interest, they will examine it. he said there are no conflicts of interests with robert mueller.
and the notion that the president offered him or considered him for fbi director is unclear. we have never heard mueller's side of that conversation. it could be that mueller went in there to explain to the president that he could not do it and possibly make some suggestions to him what who he should choose. we don't know what was in that conversation. >> exactly. all of this is nonsense because there was a lot of discussion about potential conflict of interest having to do with mueller's golf club membership at a trump club. and some dispute about the fees. and that was resolved a long time ago. it was reviewed by the department of justice. there is no conflict of interest. the president is simply repeating over and over again because it seems to have some effectiveness. he just keeps saying in the same way he says in collusion.
and then hopes that his base will believe that, even though it isn't. he argues as he has done, that the facts are not there, that the law isn't there. and, you know, the truth is if the law is against you, argue the facts. if both are against you, you better plead guilty. and i think we're getting to the point where we can see guilty very clearly. and i think he is now worried because i think he finally has seen all of the evidence that came from cohen's office. and i think if there is any leaks coming, it is coming from them to get out ahead of this. they want to protect and sort of get the first word. it is a very basic tenant of trial advocacy that if there is something bad, get it out yourself on direct examination. don't wait until cross. >> thank you for starting us off tonight. really appreciate it. when we come back, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort surrendered to robert
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a frivolous lawsuit. a federal judge dismissed the lawsuit in april. paul manafort filed a hopeless appeal to that decision. and today paul manafort finally dropped the appeal and dropped that case entirely. today in a filing in the criminal case that will be heard in federal court in virginia, prosecutors say they can prove the former trump campaign chairman is guilty of tax and bank fraud. they say they can move that he earned more than $60 million working as a consultant on behalf of a russia backed ukrainian political party and hid the money in offshore bank accounts. "the new york times" reports that prosecutors claim that beginning in $2006 he did millions of in income that he received from the ukrainian government and the ukrainian oligarchs to promote a pro-russian leader when he fled to russia after a popular
uprising in 2014. the funds dried up. they charged that mr. manafort resorted to bank fraud to maintain his lifestyle. >> rudy giuliani said this poses absolutely no threat to the information. >> he has no information incriminating of the president. i know that for a fact. they can squeeze him. paul manafort does not know anything. nor could it be possible that he did. he was with him for four months. >> joining us now is the national security and justice reporter for nbc news and harry is back with us. what could paul manafort possibly know in just four months with donald trump? >> quite a lot, lawrence. i mean, he was the campaign adviser. it is not like he was a low-level position. even the campaign volunteer new quite a bit about the ofgs of the campaign and how they worked in their social media strategy.
so in this case, what paul manafort knows is interesting only if they can actually squeeze enough out of him. giuliani is right insofar as this exact case that we will start hearing starting tomorrow does not have a lot to do with russia or the trump campaign. it has to do with paul manafort's work were a pro-russian interest and his effort to cover up with that money was coming from later on. this will only tell us about what the president did or what paul manafort knows about the president if they can present enough information that paul manafort at this point way down the road would decide he wants to start cooperating in order to lessen his sentence. >> listen to what donald trump during the campaign about paul manafort. >> are there any ties between
particular, which i'll get to in a minute. but manafort surely knows quite a bit. he's at the center of the efforts to change the platform to make it a more pro-ukraine. he is in the russia meeting. he's in the lead-in to the russia meeting we find out today. he's in the thick of it. it's just that's not part of the case. the case does, however, have a detail which is after he goes belly up and he is deposed, he needs money and he promises this is going to be part of mueller's proof, a banker in chicago that he'll get him a job in the campaign if he'll make a -- if the banker will give him a phony loan. so there is a sense in which manafort's conduct at trial gets into the thick of the campaign. but surely he knows quite a bit about russia and the campaign for another day.
>> and julia, when the trial zeros in on exactly human fort's needs interacted with the campaign as harry says, we don't know what the special prosecutor has there. there could be some real surprises in that testimony. >> that's right, lawrence. i mean, one thing we have been doing in the past few weeks to get ready for this is to look at pieces of evidence that have been approved by the judge to see what can be exhibited at trial. right now it is just detail upon detail of this very expansive money laundering scheme that paul manafort used. everything from landscaping to what kind of properties he bought in new york and florida and also a lot about his character. some of the characters that he worked with in ukraine. as we know tomorrow, it's going to be moved up about an hour earlier. jury selection will begin at 10:00 a.m. eastern. but at 9:00 a.m. eastern, the
judge will be hearing from counsel and particularly to hear from the defense who wants to limit the information that they can use on his relationships with ukraine. really, they might be scared that with that much information, a jury could be convinced that anyone who would work with those characters isn't someone to be trusted. and of course at the end of all of this, as harry pointed out, it is not necessarily this case has a lot to do with russia, but in the broader context of the mueller probe, if he is convicted, that is another feather in robert mueller's cap to show this is not a witch hunt. that there are substantial crimes that have been committed here. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. up next, what donald trump thinks he knows about the wall that republicans don't know and why republicans agree with democrats that a trump government shut down over the wall during the re-election campaign will help democrats. come away with me barnabas!
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i would be certainly willing to consider a shut down if we don't get proper border security. >> with the latest polling showing 58% disapprove of the president's immigration policies, democrats believe a trump government shut down over the wall, which would occur about a month before the election would be good for the democrats. republicans think the democrats are right about that. last week paul ryan and mitch mcconnell thought they worked out a deal to avoid a government shut down and delay funding for a wall. >> as far as the wall is concerned, we've gotten some wall funding already underway. the president is willing to be patient to make sure we get what we need so that we could get that done. >> is the funding of the border wall going to wait until after the midterm elections. >> probably. >> so you're not worried about a government shut down? >> no, that's not going to happen. >> now that the president has threatened a shut down at the height of the election campaign, republicans are very worried. >> don't think it would be a
good idea, and i don't think it will be necessary. >> democrats aren't -- no one wins. i think the american people expect us to do our job and should. >> i think it bad politics for the republican party to shut the government party. we'd get blamed. so i prefer a deal that would be a win win rather than shutting the government down. >> donald trump has never been in step, especially when he first announced his campaign for the wall when he was a candidate. in a new piece today, in a field of republicans who were trying to change the party to appeal to a rising hispanic electorate, trump was alone in speaking to republican voters who didn't want the party to remake itself, who wanted to be told that a wall could be built and things could go back to the way they were. joining our discussion now is the editor at large of fox and host of the ezra klein show. his piece is entitled "white
threat in a browning america." what does donald trump think he knows about the wall that the republicans we just heard from do not know about the wall. >> two things. one is that donald trump believes you get your base out. he is not a persuasive politician. what he tries to do is tell people that he agrees with them. he tries to get people who feel ignored by the political system, who are angry particularly at the republican party to turn out to vote. one way donald trump talked about this before is he thinks a shut down might actually help him because he'd have his base, his people activated, upset. they'd be watching fox news, coming out to vote. maybe. the other thing and this just goes to donald trump. this is a way in which donald trump's views are very authentic. he's not kidding around. he really believes the border is insecure. he beliefs that america is being
overrun from countries that i will not use his term on the air. he is actually on the importance of the policy of it. >> and in your piece you talk about the linkage here of what caused what. there has been this common theory since thor her against of the trump vote, big enough vote to win the electoral college that anxiety activated the resentment that was manifest in the trump campaign. in your piece you find plenty of evidence that racial resentment activated the economic anxiety, that the racial resentment came first and the people that harbored racial resentment had a higher level of economic anxiety. >> i'm so glad you asked me about this, yeah. so a lot of this data. there had been a ton of studies, but a lot are coming here from a book called identity crisis,
which is a best look of election data from 2016. it comes out in two months. they have found this very convenient theory of the election. and the way it goes is this. donald trump, you're not seeing in his a racist america. you are not seeing a white identity backlash. you are seeing a bad economy that makes people scared and makes him ready to pull back and blame others. all you need to add is some kind of combustible agent like donald trump and you get what we got in 2016. and the reason that's a reasonably convenient view is that it means we can fix it. we can fix the underlying thing in a way we can agree on. we just need to make the economy better. the problem is that just doesn't appear to be true. racial resentment led how people voted in 2016, at least the ones that were changing their votes. one of the ways we know that is before 2012, before 2016 back when you were looking in 2007, if you looked at how resentful people were racially, it had no
connection to how they thought about the economy. so you had this thing happening where if you were more racially resentment you believed tun employment rate was worse than it was. you believed the economy was going in the wrong direction. and donald trump was one of these people. he was out there saying that the real unemployment rate was 42%. after donald trump won the election, the economic optimism of the most racially resentful flipped. this is not what you would expect if what was going on was an actual economic conditions problem. it is what you would expect if people were filtering their feelings about the economy through their feelings about whether or not their group is rising or falling. >> and it seems possible even by the evidence in your piece that the russians who were attacking our election process were actually more aware of this. you say there is a reason why when the russians wanted to sow division in the american
election they focussed their social media trolling on america's racial divisions. >> yeah. this has been reported widely. usa today did a great analysis of this. if you look at the russian troll farms and bots, they were doing black lives matter trolling. they were trying to get into america's racial divisions. this is the thing. america pretends an innocence about its own racial past but racial present. we don't like to be told these are divisions. we don't like to be told about problems in our country. we want to believe we have all become color blind, that it is all just a completely easy going conversation about economic anxiety and politics as policymakers would have it. but we have these very, very deep cuts. we have a lot of trouble talking about them. but those who want to influence
our elections don't. political consultants know how to do these things. we have seen for years, ads. people are trying to move our politics know how to activate it. >> thank you very much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. and coming up, why does donald trump try to help vladimir putin every chance he seems to get? that's coming up.
the obama administration and nato allies after russia innexed crimea. this is why donald trump's attacks on nato -- that was attended by jared kushner and paul manafort possibly with donald trump's approval beforehand was about getting sanctions lifted. but nato is not lifting its sanctions on russia. so putin hopes to tear apart the relationship between nato and the united states and is trying every way he can to do that. our next guest is former ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, who donald trump was considering surrendering to
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you willing to meet with the iran president and under what conditions? have there been any discussions? >> i will meet with anybody. >> do you have any preconditions for that meeting? >> no. if they want to meet i'll meet. any time they want. any time they want. it is good for the country, good for them, good for us and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i'll meet. >> joining our discussion now michael mcphaul. your reaction to the president's willingness to meet with anybody including anybody in iran. >> incredible. what can i say? it doesn't sound like the trump administration's policy towards iran. i recall a lot of preconditions that the secretary set out in a big speech he gave about iran. that is the way the president
likes to roll. he says whatever is on his mind and then they work it out later. >> as to the issues with vladimir putin and the n.a.t.o. attacks that the president consistently goes out of his way to do, there was a hearing in the foreign relations committee in which the secretary of state was asked should we pay attention to what the president says or should we pay attention to administration policy? and mike pompeo kept pointing out the sanctions are in place. in effect he was saying do not listen to the words of the president of the united states, they have no meaning. >> pretty incredible hearing. i don't remember a time in american history going back to the time i have worked on it or the time i have written about it because i used to write about earlier periods where you had such a disconnect between the president on the one hand and the administration on the other. that is why the secretary kept having to say policy and not the statements.
he is wrong to say that the president's words don't matter. the president did tremendous damage to unity and the alliance when he was in europe and our credibility to defend our n.a.t.o. allies is connected to what the president says. he did damage to our russia policy by all the lavishing praise he gave vladimir putin in helsinki. that sends a signal to vladimir putin that if i can work this guy behind the scenes i will be able to undermine the policies that secretary pompeo was talking about and in a couple of paces it looks like he may have succeeded. >> there is a report that u.s. spy agencies are seeing signs that north korea is constructing new missiles at a factory that produced the country's first intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the united states according to officials familiar with the intelligence. if the north korean
negotiation -- i don't know what you call this thing, the approach -- let's call it the approach to north korea fails and fails as spectacularly as that article might indicate that it could, what does that mean to trump policy going forward? >> well, all of these things are connected, actually. you just heard the president say i will meet with everybody. meetings are good. that is not the way diplomacy works. meetings are used to achieve ends. they are a means to concrete american national security objectives. and previous presidents, democrats and republicans, have always used them that way. what this president does is he has these meetings and then we don't know what the objectives have been achieved. i would say that was true in the north korean summit, the singapore summit. it was true in helsinki when he met with vladimir putin. i think his team needs to work
on that, to stop saying meetings are good but to use the meetings to achieve objectives and sometimes use other means including coercion and including not meeting. the president thinks diplomacy is all about his personal relationships with these autocrats. it's not. it is about advancing america's national interests. >> is it possible that the president's line of i will meet with anyone and meeting with kim jong-un and now i will meet with anybody in iran, is something he believes will allow him, help him actually have future meetings with vladimir putin because he is the guy who will meet with anyone? >> maybe. it's a great point. you know, he most certainly seems eager to meet with vladimir putin and this new offer to go to moscow means there will be no demonstrations against trump or putin.
i won't be there because i'm not allowed to travel to russia. it will keep me out of the equation. he seems intent on that. i ask the simple question, are we better as a country, are our national security interests better or worse after the helsinki summit? i don't know of a single individual who thinks we are now better off as a result of that meeting. and therefore i think that causes question. we should question the judgment of the president. why are we so eager to have these meetings? what objective is being achieved? i can't see one. >> former ambassador michael mcfaul thank you for joining us. tonight's last word is next. hi! how was your day? it was good. it was long. let's fix it. play "connection" by onerepublic. (beep) ♪these days, my waves get lost in the ocean♪ ♪seven billion swimmers man ♪i'm going through the motions ♪sent up a flare need love and devotion♪ ♪trade it for some faces that i'll never know notion♪
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StoryPeopleWordLawrenceLawrenceo-donnellTwoRudy-giulianiHasnt-donald-trumpDefenseDefendersTeamPossibilitythis is a game changer. this is a complete flip by michael cohen. >> there is nothing illegal about paying somebody who wants money next change for remaining silent. >> you have to decide whetherrer you believe the d decide whether you believe the cnn reporting. then if it's correct you have to decide whether you believe mr. cohen now. >> mr. he could be was trusted by president trump for a long time. but sometimes when you are squeezing someone you not only make them sing, you make them compose. howie: are news outlets jumping to conclusions on the news tower meeting without hard evidence. >> the new york per magazine is reporting six women have accused
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terminated when he was supposedly saying positive things. rudy giuliani and lanny davis using the airways to snipe at each other. >> whatever spin rudy giuliani is trying to spin it says cash. why is giuliani dips marriaging michael cohen? because they fear him. >> i don't see how he has any credibility. which lie do you want to pick. the first lie, the second lie or the third lie? howie: joining us is guy benson. sara fischer, a media report for axios. and adrienne elrod. we'll drill down to the details in a minute.
jail time which he faces. howie: does he have credibility? adrienne: he has credibility because more tapes are coming out. more tapes exist. guy: i'm open to more evidence and we should follow the evidence. but there has been whiplash on the credibility of michael cohen. they dismissed him as a lackey loyal to president trump but now that he's criticizing him, we should listen to him. howie: you have rudy giuliani three months ago, the guy is an honest lawyer and a good man now he says he learned what a liar he is. lanny davis is drawing media fire. he comes back and says giuliani
was lying about this tape. before we heard the snippets of the tape giuliani said it was exculpatory for the president. adrienne: i have known lanny davis for a long time. but he's also a good spi spinmeister. howie: he's a lawyer hired to represent a client. adrienne: there are not have much people in this business who have the legal background and p.r. background. when you get to a small group of people, lanny davis will be someone cone would hire. howie: the company is run by a close pal.
they sent $150,000 to buy and bury the story of karen mcdougal. but the way they are talking about it, we'll get the rights and pay them cash or check. does that raise questions about the evethe "national enquirer"'s rights? sara: the "wall street journal" reported the doj is look into how close its relationship was with the trump campaign. protection for media outlets are strong. but if this company is doing something above and yornd with working close with the president, it could change.
guy: but the allegation is explosive. it's someone in the inner sanctum of trump world for a long time saying one of the major assertions made by the president about that trump tower meetle is false and would be a capital l lie if michael cohen is telling the truth. howie: would it be a lie that would be much more important, you could call it attempted collusion more so than his relationship with the woman? guy: definitely. howie: sara, are we headed for the kind of story the media loves, michael cohen protecting his own interest, he seems to be saying i did a lot of things for donald trump, i'm not proud of him -- he doesn't use these
michael cohen lied about this. if he has evidence on tape it will be very damaging. howie: there is no claim there is a tape on this. either prosecutors will find other people in the room and cohen will be able to back it up. but it's our job to follow these things. what's on tape, what's not on tape. i wonder how much it's resonating, even on this stuff with meeting with the russian lawyer with lots of people. >> you just look at polling. russia matter was polling at zero percent as a top election priority. it's not to say this stuff doesn't matter and some of the twists and turns. the granular constant attention paid to it in this d.c.-new york media corridor is totally outside what normal people care
about. howie: if it can be shown to be true that the president says i forgot about that meeting. the people who support him wouldn't care. adrienne: donald trump uses the media psych toll his advantage and creates a lot of confusion. there is a tape? is there not a tape? why does it matter if there is a tape. it's very confusing. i think it average american is letting his slide by and not paying as much attention. howie: sara, we'll see you later. a devastating "new yorker" piece about cbs chairman les moonves. when we come back. -omar, look. [ thunder rumbles ]
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guy: it sounds like a politician that wants the media narrative he or she supports and looks good for them. trump is unusually aggressive in his public posturing on this, but it's not a stretch for an administration to cherry pick the story they want to tout and dismiss others. trump goes overboard frequently on this kind of stuff. but it's true a huge percentage of the mainstream media is actively rooting against him. they want him to fail, they want to bring him down and create lose-lose paradigms for him. adrienne: donald trump believes if any media coverage of him is negative, it's fake news. that's how he frames it.
howie: we think inaccurate. adrienne: he did something worthy of the press coverage he received. just because he does something that causes negative stories to be written about him. he's doing these actions. howie: he does sometimes exaggerate or get things wrong. but there is an automatic assumption the media narrative is right. don lemon says the trump presidency is defined by lies. adrienne: i think to a larger extent this was leading us to the point where we are where sensational outlets on the left and right in media coverage and people don't know where to go to get the truth. howie: in this story it said
donald trump was upset because all the tvs on air force one was tuned fox news and melan's was cnn. guy: they wanted to show there was tension between the first couple. interesting anecdote, we appreciate the president's viewership. i'm sure mrs. trump is happy to use the remote control as she sees fit. i do think what we are seeing is an unreliable narrator problem. trump has his trouble with the truth and the media has a credibility problem and they don't always see it. howie: the president is always talking about the failing "new york times." this morning he tweeted he had a good meeting with the "new york times."
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are you worried about what's on the tape? why has vladimir putin not accepted your invitation. howie: cone says press secretary sarah sanders told her this. >> that i would not be invited to an open press event at the white house because they felt the questions i posed to president trump were inappropriate for that venue. howie: shine challenged that version of the event with reporters. >> what word would you use? >> when you ask her if we used the word ban. howie: white house officials said this was a one-time
disciplinary action and she is free to shout questions in other venues. by the was disrespectful to do it in the oval office in front of a world leader. cnn said just because the white house is you be comfortable doesn't mean the question isn't relevant and shouldn't be asked. >> as a member of the white house press pool fox stands firmly with cnn on this issue of access. >> it's almost unprecedented. it's inexcusable for the white house to make this move. it won't be tolerated by members of the white house press corp. >> it was a sad moment for journalism in our country. howie: the reason reporters
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host of the online bill press show. morgan, this was the lead story in the "new york times," mueller scrutinizing trump's tweets. i am thinking tweets? morgan: i'm not a lawyer. but what i found interesting is three major things happened. the gdp was put at 4.1%, which is the largest economic growth since the third quarter of 2014. it added $7 trillion to the economy in new growth. what's important to me as a member of the military is the fact we got our remains home from core there are from our men who were lost their decade ago. i bring that up to say i think those things are what's important to the american
people. if you are running a small biz like lie father is in florida, having a gdp growth of 4% is important. another story about the president's tweets aren't important to him. but i have got to say he probably doesn't read the "new york times." also doesn't it suggest robert mueller doesn't have the super secret evidence you can imagine. bill: if i were in the white house i would talk about the economy and north korea. but donald trump keeps tweeting and he attacks robert mueller and michael cohen. he steps on his own story. howie: rudy giuliani says if you are going to obstruct justice
you do it quietly and secretly. bill: traditionally you would. but donald trump doesn't do anything the way everybody has has already done it. in the press room. sean spicer. we didn't know how to deal with these tweets. we asked sean spicer should we take things seriously or not. spicer said every tweet is a presidential statement, take them seriously. the president of the united states is going after sessions or comey, i think it does raise an issue. howie: another story there was a lot of coverage of. 11 house republicans introducing impeachment for rod rosenstein for allegedly slow-walking requests for documents. it got a lot of coverage to compete with the 4.1% jump in
the gdp. morgan: i think the tea party wanted that coverage. they are frustrated with a slow-walking effort by the doj getting these documents out. and they were frustrated with the amount of redactions. howie: particularly like the "new york times" lead story on trump's tweets, why don't you view that as a distraction. they don't have the votes in the house to impeach rosenstein. morgan: this is what the tea party wanted. you saw jim jordan announce for speaker this week. for republicans in vulnerable districts, i don't think though love this story at all. but for the past 7 years, the
loudest people in your party on either side, the people heart loudest are the ones who get the microphone shoved right in -- right in their face. howie: given it was never going anywhere should it have been covered as a p.r. stunt? bill: "mediabuzz." they wanted some media buzz before they left for the break. they wanted to help jim jordan and his impossible quest for speaker. there ain't going to be an impeachment and there ain't going upon a speaker jordan. paul ryan will not bring this up for a vote in the house. it was not even a hail mary pass, it was a stunt. howie: it worked because they
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howie: a report of sexual misconduct in the "new yorker" against les moonves. a woman said he pinned her down so she couldn't breathe and kid her. and then he called her and removed her from a sitcom in which she had already been cast. this accountly douglas is revolting and underscores based on ronan farrow's reporting, and cbs which followed charlie rose for similar allegations also has a problem.
>> if this is the behavior of the chairman of cbs, other executives. there are a lot of things we have to look at whether this culture needs to be dismissed. howie: there are questions whether he tolerated what other people were doing. the writer janet jones said after les moonves locked the door and threatened her. he locked the door. he said you will never get another writing job and i will fire you. and she threw up. these are harvey weinstein-type allegations. >> it could be physical
harassment as well which is another level. these people feel their careers were destroyed are impacted by some of these victimizing allegations. howie: cbs confirms in the case of douglas that moonves kissed her, but denies other stuff. not since the late roger ails was forced out of fox news have they faced these times of accusations. >> in other instances or other industries. once the allegations come out
there is immediate action. les moonves is still the chairman and chief executive at the company. howie: i credit cbs for saying there will be an investigation. and i credit cbs for reporting on this. but can you immediately suspend the head of the company? >> he did at mitt to some unwarranted -- he did admit to some unwanted advances. and to me that's a cultural problem. how are's involved in a corporate battle with some of the controlling stockholders who want to combine it with viacom. could these sexual misconduct allegations be related to that battle?
>> it doesn't mean that people around her aren't leak. there is an ugly battle happening with sherry redstone. some say maybe she was involved in this and she can take advantage of this situation. but there is no proof she had anything to do with this. howie: all these women on the record, you would have to say there are questions about les moonves. >> absolutely. they are investigating. more to come on this. sara fischer, thanks for your reporting. coming up. mark zuckerberg loses billions. charlie gasparino is on deck. hawaii?! nice! yeah i'm excited. finally earned enough rewards points. so jealous. yeah i can't wait to get that shave-ice! what's shave-ice? it's like a hawaiian snow-cone. why not just say snow-cone? i don't know, they call it shave-ice.
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howie: it was the largest charlie gasparino is with us. wasn't this market plunge in part due to facebook admitting it will have to spend more money to protect people's privacy? charlie: don't you feel sorry for mark zuckerberg? the bottom line is all these social media platforms are essentially free. but you do pay in other ways. you pay in the lack of privacy.
anything that will cut back -- they use your user information. anything that sort of limits, that helps privacy and limits the amount of user growth that goes on to these platforms, you can sell ads to them as well. the ad metric will hurt the stock price. it happened to facebook and twitter in the same week. howie: it seems to me the company is projecting slowing growth. younger people think it's uncool so they go to snapchat. but is the market punishing facebook and twitter'. charlie: i don't believe it's political. you're user growth if you police bots and fake russian accounts
and other metrics will go down, the ad revenue will go down therefore your stock is not worth where it is now. this may change. facebook may come up with a new app that increases user growth. i can say the same thing about facebook and twitter. it's all about user growth. if you can't grow it, the ad revenues come down. howie: alex jones was find and they changed their mind and now some videos have been banned and jones has been suspended for 30 days for hate speech. i want to get to twitter. on friday the stock was down 21%. a lot of it has to do with
twitter purging one million fake accounts. and we have controversy where twitter was shadow-banning the rnc chairwoman, top gop lawmakers and donald trump's spokesperson. the dnc chairman. they said they would look into the discriminatory practices. charlie: i spoke with twitter senior management that they are anti-conservative. they are extremely sensitive to this. that doesn't mean they don't have human beings that create algorithms that can shadow-ban conservatives. but the company said they are taking extreme measures to be equal for conservatives as well as liberals. we had interesting conversations
about president trump. this is a guy who essentially drive traffic to twitter. some of his tweets go close to the lines of violating the terms of service. i said did you ever think about banning donald trump. they said they seriously considered that in the megyn kelly tweet tboolg she asked him during the debate. but they are saying we are not going after trump. we believe he's a vital voice. he's the president, he uses twitter. they say they are trying to be equal here. now, it's imperfect equal, we know that. they did fix that shadow-banning problem. howie: i take the company at its word. facebook has also been accused.
silicon valley is biased against conservatives. charlie: mostly people on the right. that's kind of weird. who creates the algorithms that creates the discrimination? some silicon valley left-leaning kid. right? howie: the tech giants are having a hard time this year. the president denounces an fcc decision that went against sinclair tv. and roseanne says she is sorry again. there's little rest for a single dad,
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would have led to national conservative programming that would have competed with fox news. trump said the decision was disgraceful. he said it would have been a great and much-needed conservative voice of and for the people. the fcc said the news was misleading. roseanne barr got an apology do-over after the racist tweet about jal are you jarrett. reeseian who said she thought jarett was white. said this. if you are watching i'm so sorry you thought it was racist and you thought my tweet was racist because it wasn't. it was political. i'm sorry for the misunderstanding that causedy
ill-worded tweet. and i'm sorry that you feel harmed and hurt. but she has got to get a new haircut, seriously. howie: that's better than the youtube video she posted where she called jarett the b word. herself-humiliation was pretty sad. this is pretty sad, but maybe it stops the bleeding. i'm howard kurtz. check out my new podcast. you can subscribe at apple itunes or foxnewspodcasts.com. i post my daily columns.
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for, and the russians provided. so it seems in all fairness if you're looking at the trump campaign, you'd want to be looking at the other side too if you want to know what russia is up to. why don't they? >> trish, in all fairness, what you've seen the special counsel do is follow the facts where they lead. you have publicly indictments, evidence that the russian intelligence services tried to infiltrate the democratic campaign to release e-mails to help the trump campaign. fbi agents have corroborated, brought it to a grand jury. i don't think you can criticize that piece of this investigation. >> why are they not looking to the hillary side? if you're going to talk about collusion and believe that somehow that russian attorney meeting at trump tower with jr. equating to collusion, why wouldn't it be -- by the way, they weren't paying for anything in that meeting. that meeting happened out in the open for everyone to see.
there were security cameras, security guard, an e-mail trail. if i'm vladimir putin, i like the idea of planting bread crumbs along the way that the media and the left will field. but the dossier is not being looked at? >> that's a great speech. but i trust our authorities to connect the dots. >> despite the clear bias by so many involved in the inveri vev- investigative process? >> the dossier has information which is true or correct. when i was a prosecutor, i cared less about who brought it to me than if it was true or false. >> i can tell you as a journalist, i care very much about the authenticity of the information that comes to me. it's the first darn question i would be asking if i were there,
part of the fbi or mueller's team. why would you trust -- how would that get you a fisa warrant, a bunch of garbage or hearsay that the russians are providing for opposition research? >> i've worked on fisa warrants. they're incredibly long and detailed. there's independent and impartial judges that look over it. there was probable cause. that's what that part of the investigation looked at and went forward. the question you have, shouldn't an investigation be partial and shouldn't it look at the entire scope of wrong doing. that is absolutely important. it doesn't mean when there's wrong doing we should ignore it. >> you think it was wrong -- does that meeting with the russian lawyer prove something to you? >> donald trump jr. lied about
it. there's reporting that president trump lied about it. i get concerned more about people lying in general. the president of the united states shouldn't be lying to anybody. as a defense counsel, prosecutor, i tell folks not to live. >> there's a problem now. this is what i'm worried about right now. vladimir putin is a smart guy. he operated in the kgb. he knows how to plan things and he knows how to use the openness of our society against united states. >> and he knows how to use state media. >> the media has fallen for it, the left has fallen for it. if we want fairness, investigate it all. i want to know everything that happened. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> the president putting the spotlight back on the mueller probe instead of the economy and the jobs. is that a mistake? jointing me now, ashley pratt. kathy arue and shelby holiday. you have a great economy to brag about right now, shelby.
you know the economist on earlier telling me he thinks this is going to be a stellar jobs number friday and we could be heading to the lowest unemployment levels ever in this country. gdp, 4.1%. should the president stick to that instead of the other stuff? >> i think republicans want him to stick to that. what we're hearing is talk about more tariffs, an escalate of the trade war and possibly shutting down the government. they're not usually seen as positives for the economy. i will give trump the benefit of the doubt. he is making head way in getting trade concessions. he's talking about the trade balance lately. he does touch on the economy. he wants the media to cover it more often but creates distractions that are not related to the economy. >> so ashley, we doesn't he?
>> i'm not sure. i've yet to figure out his strategy. somehow he was elected and it worked for him. he seems to thrive in these situations. the media jumps to it. he switches to someone else. why are we talking about this now? it might not be something that comes up in november. you have to think based on political strategy alone, this doesn't make much sense. it gives talking points to democrats come november or the mid-terms or his re-election in 2020 and to go after him and say obstruction of justice when it comes to ask sessions to stop the mueller probe. let it play out. as many republicans do, i wish this would no longer continue and that he could just sometimes just be quiet and not send out that tweet and it's something that still seems to be working to his advantage despite the amount of times that people counsel him not to do it. >> if it keeps working, right?
why stop, kathy? >> i'm not sure what his rationale is. does he no what he's doing? it is working. nobody likes shut-down politics. that's what he's saying when the government will shut down. it's not good for any party, the democrats or the gop. so i don't understand why he's threatening to shut down the government at a time like this when unemployment next are looking so great and the economy is doing so well. why does he do these things? >> i wonder, shelby, at the "wall street journal," who has covered business and ceos like me and i wondered to a certain exte exten extent, is this for the negotiation process and mitch mcconnell and we better do something? senator shelby saying yesterday, there's nothing like fear as a motivator. is this what is driving this and the president wanting to see something done so he presents
worst case scenario? >> it is possible. he is dead set on getting the border wall. he wants the funding. the irony, congress is taking steps to funding the border wall. they're further ahead than they usually are. congress is looking good when it comes to funding and they're starting to give the president what he wants. so that's what is so frustrating to republicans and also democrats when he goes on twitter and talks about shutting down the government when he makes these speeches at rallies. doesn't add up with reality. a lot of frustration on capitol hill. >> thanks so much to all of you. president trump continuing his road show touting the economy and gop candidates in key races across the country, including governor georgia gubernatorial candidate brian kemp. he's here. >> we need more republicans, we need more votes.
>> the other day we endorsed a great gentleman from georgia. he was probably five points down. he won the election by 40 points. >> trish: that was president trump talking about brian kemp, the republican candidate for governor of georgia. now a tight race with democrat rival stacy abrams. it's part of a new push by the president to get out the develop for gop candidates. joining us right now, georgia republican, brian kemp. we called stacy abrams as well but she was unavailable. >> great to be with you. everybody is all in on this race. we're hopefully wanting to get them back to georgia. hopefully the vice president will be back. we're on the ground working hard. we're back at work now pushing
hard to get the vote out. tremendous excitement that i'm seeing on the ground that quite honestly i've not seen in a long time in georgia. >> trish: what is fuelling that? >> i think just having a nominee on the republican side that was, you know, kind of a come-from-behind kid, if you will. i ran a campaign that was based on putting georgia first ahead of the special interests, the status quo, the politically correct. those that are hear illegally -- people are ready for that. they're tired of special interests. that's what the president ran on. that's what i ran on, putting georgians first. >> trish: you think about the issues that resonate most in georgia. they're national issues as well. whether it's the economy, whether it's immigration. what are voters telling you is most important to them? >> well, i've traveled all 159 counties in the state in my role
as secretary of state. i've been in the private sector, a small business guy in construction and agriculture. when i go across the state, people are really asking the question, who is up there fighting for us? who is fighting for as at the state capitol, for the working georgian, the georgian family. >> trish: it's the economy. >> it's the economy and keeping our family safe. we have a drug cartel problem here. that's one reason's been so strong on tracking and deporting illegals, going after street gangs. line up with the president on that one. you think about gangs like m.s. 13, drugs, sex trafficking epidemics in our state. i'm going to keep our families safe. i'm a father of three teens. that's something that my wife and i are concerned about. i've also been hard working in georgia. while the economy is great, there's still parts of the
state, the smalley guys, little lady working georgian out there that needs the help and that's why i've gone after cutting government regulations and making us number 1 for small business in the country. >> trish: and the small business is the engine of the country. what is about your opponent that distinguishes you the most in the conservatives say the fact that she's liberal. walk me through the biggest difference in policy. >> well, it's even worse than that. it's really a radical liberal. stacy abrams, you know, very articulate, very smart. she just has radical views on wanting to grow government, raising taxes, you know, trying to have the big government policies that didn't work in the barack obama administration. they're bad for georgia. throwing more government money after these programs is not the solution we need. we need to open up private sector markets. we need to empower small
business people, georgians and entrepreneurs. we need high speed internet in our state. we need somebody that knows the state that will push those things and move our whole state forward versus trying to please people in new york and california. >> trish: let me go big picture with you. this is a problem right now within the democratic party overall. historically the kind of represented more working class and they've gotten away from that, whether it's with hillary clinton, whether it's with elizabeth warren or you opponent there. you also have bernie sanders that has captivated a big part of the party. what does this mean for republicans? not just your race by the mid-terms. are the democrats too far from center right now? >> well, i think they are. when you think about some of the people that have been elected around the country that have gotten national exposure that
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more clever ways given the internet. isn't this something that they have always done? >> yeah, they've done this in a very organized fashion, devoting resources to it for over 75 years now. anybody that has been following this over a period of time isn't surprised. you know, it's not as if they decided they would jump in to the 2016 election and begin meddling. obviously technology has provided more efficiencies. they've been very good at adapting or adopting those technologies. overall, the concept has always been the same. chip away at our belief in the u.s. and around the west in democracy, create chaos, create instability. you know, get infighting and look, frankly they were successful as a result of what they did in the 2016 election. look at us. we're throwing hand grenades and nobody is in the middle. >> trish: exactly.
the mainstream media is helping them. so given your background at the cia and given your background on intelligence, tell me what you know about vladimir putin and his sophistication level when it comes to intelligence and assuming that he's pretty sophisticated, would he have had one of his ops go -- starting into trump tower with an e-mail record to try to sit down and offer "intel" on the -- on hillary clinton to donald trump workers? is that how it's done? >> you'll do whatever you think you can get away with and whatever you have the resources to engage it. >> trish: isn't it obvious? obviously they were trying to manipulate the election. that was discoverable. that was easy to find out. now the media is going on and on about this meeting.
i wonder if putin might have had her deliberately go in there. if he's a sophisticated person, i don't think that's how you would run an intel op. >> i don't want to give him credit for being sophisticated. he has the advantage of essentially running a regime, right in so you will do -- from an operational perspective, i can't speak to exactly what he did. that is all speculation. nobody knows how this played out. i can tell you from an operational perspective, you do everything that you can fit in your playbook. some is sophisticated and some is not elegant. you're going to attack from every angle. the fact that we're talking about this is surprising. >> look, he's now created this lack of trust that americans have, half the country, anyway that don't believe donald trump should be president. that said, how do we stop this from happening again, how do we
stop their influence and i don't think we can rely on the tech companies to do it for us. >> right. a, we have to start from the realization that we're not going to stop them. they've been engaging in this for generations. what we have to do, look to minimize, disrupt and prevent. the fact that we engaged in this public conversation, that's step one. for the general public, the voters out there, from all weeks of life and both sides of the spectrum, they have to be aware that this exists. that's a good thing. you have to then hope that the voter is an educated voter. by that, i mean they're going to think about the things that they read on twitter and facebook and they're going to do self-evaluation. to some fact checking. then we have an improvement in the way the tech companies are talking amongst themselves and more importantly, we're getting two-way engagement, which is critical between the tech companies and law enforcement.
the fbi, dhs and others that over the years has been a one-way flow of information to the government. without the government then stepping in saying, we have to share some of our knowledge and what we know with the companies. they're doing that now. that's critical. >> trish: i'll tell you, it's important to tell you that the companies have allegiance to us and not their customers. there was a situation where intel informed the chinese government about an issue that they had that would comprise security for their customers. the chinese government knew before the u.s. did. we need to -- government need to ensure that that doesn't happen again. all of these companies are remembering their allegiance to us first. thanks, mike. >> thank you. >> trish: a union slamming the governor of oregon for the
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terror and lawlessness. the mayor calling accusations inaccurate and inflammatory. the president of the national ice council, chris crane, joins me now. let me ask you, chris -- first of all, i'll say we did reach out to the mayor to join us. we have not heard back. what is your reaction to what you guys are saying? >> it's a little disbelief. but a little political spin coming from the mayor right now. he's trying to make the case there was no need for police protection. we just have a handful of employees in the building surrounded by hundreds of protesters. they blocked the entrances and exits. the folks were trapped in the building. when they tried to leave, protesters surround their cars,
damaged their cars. threatened lives. it's been a desperate situation for them. protesters followed them home, followed them when they picked up their kids at day care. repeatedly threatening their lives. this is not a normal protest where people are trying to express their free speech. this was siege of an ice facility. people don't know this. this isn't getting covered in the mainstream media. we lost that building for ten days, almost two weeks the protesters took control of the building. these were not normal protesters. they're antifa and others. absolutely unacceptable. >> trish: why do you think they're reluctant to give the employees the protection they
need? >> it's about politics. he disagrees with the president's policies on immigration. i have to mention they're that the protesters are there allegedly to protest ice's separation of families when in fact it was the border patrol that was given the direction to separate the families down on the border, not our ice employees. certainly not ice employees in portland, oregon, 1,000 miles away from the order. it's none -- nonsensical. we've asked to meet with him. like you, we're not hearing back from the mayor at this point. we're hoping moving forward he will provide employees protections that the other set sens have and we can move passed this. >> trish: are you fearful? are the ice employees fearful? people saying look, i didn't
sign up for this? >> i don't think our folks are saying they didn't sign up for it. they're looking for stronger leadership from dhs and ice on these matters. they want to proper equipment and training to deal with this event. we're not going to let people like this scaring us out of doing our jobs to include the mayor of portland. yeah, there's cause for concern when people are following you back to your home and threatening you and your family, trapping you in a building and you're all alone and there's no police there to respond and help. yeah, it's a situation of concern. >> trish: chris crane, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> trish: day two of the trial for paul manafort. testimony today focusing on manafort's lavish lifestyle. peter doocy has the latest. hi, peter.
>> trish, the manafort team is trying to make the case that paul manafort funded a lavish lifestyle that was funded by international transfers paid by ukrainian politicians that were clients of his. when the mueller team tried to use photos of fancy clothes, the judge said that could prejudice the jury and the judge added during a discussion about high-end retailers that if it doesn't come from men's warehouse, he doesn't know anything about it. the judge stressed as he did yesterday, it's not illegal to have a lot of money and throw it around. the photos at issue that were not allowed to be put into evidence were all taken during an fbi raid on manafort's condo not far from here in virginia. it was reported it was a no-knock raid where agents busted in.
today the seizing agent testified they did knock three times wand nobody answered so they used a key to get in. the fbi agent added under cross examination he was not surprised. nobody answered at 6:00 a.m. manafort was standing there when they entered. the mueller team did make a big announcement today that could have a profound impact on their case. star witness rick gates, former manafort deputy and business man of the trump campaign might not testify. the mueller team say they evaluate every single witness, including one that could be their star, who is also the one that the manafort team says can't be trusted. trish? >> trish: thanks, peter. do president trump and republicans just get another wave of momentum for another round of tax cuts? new numbers that could be making their case. we're on it for you. and point, click, repeat. a lot. why americans are spending more of their time on screen team. see you here. your insurance rates skyrocket after
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>> trish: more good news on jobs. adp reporting 219,000 new private sector jobs in july. that is more than expected. all coming ahead of the government's big jobs report which is out this friday morning. more good news on the economy give the white house and republicans more juice to push a second round of tax cuts? let's ask market watcher, gary, scott and deidra. gary, what are you hearing about this? potential tax cuts 2.0 in the works? >> that is potential. investors are saying this is not the best idea. there's a lot of people looking to wage growth. remember the last time we saw a figure that economists deemed hot in february, that really sent a lot of volatility in the markets. the conclusion and the question comes, what is the fed going to
do? if we see wage growth, means raising rates. looks good. looks strong. a lot of people i'm saying are just hold the course. stay the course. >> trish: scott, deidra brings up something important. we would love to see wage raises. >> i could use a raise. >> trish: look at the inflation we've had. we haven't seen enough inflation in actual wages. so does that at some point start to happen? is the job market that tight? >> it should. another conundrum, with the great profit growth we've seen at these great american companies,some of that is great to trickle down to mr. and mrs. worker. we need to see more training, better education and we need to see the higher end jobs get filled. what we'll see is the next leg up in wage growth.
what is that? about 3% year over years by our research. that is better than where we came from and a good trajectory going forward to 2019. >> trish: i'll take that over no wage growth for sure, which is what we've seen a lot of. gary, does the fed stay the course here? today they did. they didn't raise rates. they said they're committed to the two interest rate hikes later on this year. >> they'll throw a couple more this year as long as the economy is sound and the markets are cooperating. keep in mind the bigger story on policy. europe and japan are still printing money. and things are down in china. good for the market as we've seen. and with our economy right now --
>> trish: i'm going to jump in. you get easy money from the likes of china. doesn't that create a stronger dollar here? does it make it that much harder for us to sell things over seas? >> that's the right point especially to make today. we saw the dollar rising earlier today. we've heard from the trump administration that they double the muscle of the tariffs. you brought us the headlines going from 10% to 25%. more than double. one of the justifications at least if we're talking about ideas is that the chinese luann has dropped 6%. that makes it easier for china to sell whatever they want to sell in any other country. >> trish: you think that is the motivation there? are the chinese devaluing their currency so their products are
more affordable? >> the motivation is they have problems. they have a ton of debt and it's affecting the economy over there. i think that's more to do with it than anything. i'm not so worried about our dollars. our dollar is strong because we are. we're the envy of the world and we haven't seen that in a long time. it's good to be a part of. >> trish: yeah, if you want to take that overseas vacation. nice to have a stronger dollar. >> oh, yeah. >> trish: what are you looking at for friday? >> friday we're thinking about 225 with revisions to the prior two months, which is big, boys and girls. that shows you the trends are intact. 3.0%. book it. >> thanks, guys. >> it's not that great. i get it. >> trish: listen, exactly. everything is relative, right? scott, good to see you. gary, deidra, thank you. think you're drowning in the
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an average person swipes their phone 2,000 times a day. that's wild. that is crazy. >> trish: have you ever -- can you go without your phone? >> i can't go for longer -- until this segment is over. i love my phone. we're best friends forever. i can talk to friends on my phone. i can be on twitter, watch teen mom ii on my phone. i can do all of these things that are better than a conversation. people say cat, get off your phone. i'll be like you should try to be more interesting. maybe i will. >> trish: i hear that. do you ever worry because you're spending so much time on your phone that you're not connecting as much face-to-face? you have that concern? >> yes. i'm a difficult person to have a face-to-face conversation with as mike knows. i'm like yeah, okay. cool. because my phone and i are so close that it's hard for me to get close to another person.
i might be like a wonderful fisher woman or something and not know it. i'm not getting out on the river because i'm too busy on my phone. >> it's interesting. the younger kids, that's where the problem might come. in i have a 3-year-old niece and she's on the i pad all the time. doesn't know the alphabet is but knows where the youtube button is. that is detrimental to kids growing up. i love social media and all of that. but from a growing up standpoint and kids that could hurt. >> trish: i agree. there's some silver lining to this. facebook and instagram, they're now going to let you know how much time you spend on their platform. >> that could make me hate my life. >> really? eight hours. >> trish: but it's important for parents. we got our children and i have three of them, ipads this summer because they needed it for academic reasons, prepare for the new school, blah, blah, blah.
somehow there's a bunch of games on there. and they like have netflix on it. they know how to operate these things instinctively. what we have had to do is actually take them away. because what was so disappointing is exactly what you say. we're on them and they weren't talking to each other, they weren't outside playing. i said enough. >> kids don't know how to play. when we were kids, it's play. are fun. i'm a fan of word cookies. whatever that meant, we would do too big of a fan. i paid money for more coins when i ran out of coins. >> spent money. >> i did. they dinner, somebody brings up politics. here we go. to escape that -- >> trish: go to your phone. >> yeah. guy there and i get political all the time. i can't escape it. it's a mess. i hate people in real life and online. >> trish: i can remember when i
phone. we didn't have cell phones. it was a few years before we had cell phones. you had to call a girl up for a date. >> i used to practice what i would say. i would write down lines and topics to talk about. because i would be so nervous to call her. now -- >> trish: you see what you're missing, kat? >> i prefer texting. the phone, you have to worry about awkward silences. if you're texting, you can say i was napping. and yes, i knew that. >> trish: thanks so much, kat. mike, thanks. more after this. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long.
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it looks very hinky to me. >> here's why i ask you about what this is about because let's say you win. let's say the democrats win. you get the house. probably not the senate, but you get the house. there's a call for impeachment among progressives like yourself. >> yes. >> two things happen. >> well, i don't think it's just progressives, chris. there will be a call for impeachment from all those not heard, who are the majority in america. >> okay. i give you that fact. i'll stipulate to it for the point of this argument. >> okay. >> so everybody calls out. you don't have the votes. it doesn't happen. you galvanize support for the president, and we are torn more apart in this country. are you worried about that outcome? >> no, i am not. i am believing in the american people. i believe in this country. i believe in what it was founded on. i believe in the constitution. i think that on election day, we're going to show up in a huge way, in a way that we haven't ever seen before in the united states. and people have just really had enough.
they've had enough of a president who separates families and puts babies in cages. you know all of the catch phrases. every day he does something worse than the day before, and he tops it and tops it and tops it. i believe that trump is loathed in america, that people are embarrassed and ashamed of who he is, and that come election day, we're going to stand up at the polls and let him know. and unless he goes in and has the russians kind of fix it like he did last time in 2016, you know, we're going to see him gone. and that's what i'm waiting and hoping for and hoping that people across the country are inspired to use their own voice in whatever way to get people to know that this country is worth fighting for. >> amen on that. the more people get involved, the higher the voter percentage is, the more people will get what they want. it will reduce the effects of money on politics. it will make everything better, not perfect, but better. so i'm all with you. the more people go out and vote their conscience, the better, whatever their conscience is. here's my other concern. >> yeah. >> there is reason to criticize the president. i am not going to fight you on that point.
that emotion in them of truth and -- >> what about his rallies? >> first of all, people are paid, chris. you know that. people were paid since he went down on the escalator. he pays people to show up at those rallies. that is a fact. >> but i don't know that that's why he gets tens of thousands at the rallies. i think he captures a lot of motion for people. >> when did he get tens of thousands at the last rally? tell me when.? >> at the tampa i think they only had 9,000 seats and there were people outside, but rosie, i've seen him. he gets big groups of people who come out. he gives themes that resonate. whatever they're positive or not, that's up to people to decide. i don't have the facts that his crowds are bought off. >> but you can look at -- well, you can look at all the requests for extras to come and cheer with signs for him. you can find those tangible pieces of evidence. those are not real rallies. you know, when he went down on that escalator, he paid all those people there, calling rapists and mexicans rapists.
this is not real what he's doing even though he keeps screaming that you guys are not real. >> i know he does that. i know he does that, rosie, but listen. look, i've known you a long time. you've known my family a long time. >> i know your mom. >> and mom would be the first one to say, let him say what he's going to say. you say what you know is true. you always keep your dignity. you always fight the good fight. so that's what we do. when he came down that escalator, did i see the reporting that there were paid people there? yes, i did. did i believe it? yes, i did. have i seen it at all of these rallies? no, so i'm not going to do what the president does. i'm not going to say they're all bought off, they're all fake, because i think that's b.s. i don't think it's true, and i'm not going to play to it just because i think it's satisfying. >> but you could do the evidence to find out. >> sure. we do it all the time. >> lead with that story before you play his rally. to play his rally to me is just falling into his hands. >> i don't play his rallies. i do truth check every night. i do magic walls. i find all these different devices because i want people to
know what's real and then they can act on it. that's why i'm talking to you because people need to know what you're doing, know where people's voices are, and then they can make their decisions about which side to join and hopefully there's common ground that gets here sooner rather than later. >> i hope there is common ground. people ask me all the time, your son's a marine. how can you have a son whose a marine when you're such a pass fist kind of a person? >> i love and respect my son, and i can hold two opposing thoughts in my head at one time. one is i'm terrified something is going to happen to him, and the other is i'm so immensely proud of the commitment he has given to this country because he believes in this country the same way that i do. i believe in america and what it stands for in the constitution, and this president and administration has done everything they can to undermine it. and it's not okay. it's not all right in any way, and we have to use our voices and fight. >> you do exactly that. that's why good men and women like your son are fighting for our freedoms. and when somebody serves in a family, the whole family feels it. the whole family sacrifices.
so thank you to your entire clan for the dedication to the country. >> thank you. >> and the service of your son. >> thank you, chris cuomo. >> peace. let's see. we'll be following what happens at the white house, and we'll see what the impact of this party with a purpose is all about tonight. now, back to another big story for you. they told us that the meeting in trump tower with the russian operative was about adoption. you remember that? the whole statement that they wrote, the president had no role in. well, we know that's not true, and now we have the president apparently admitting something that's even more important. cuomo's court is in session, and you need to weigh in. there are the counselors, next. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard.
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up -- that trump tower -- that that trump tower meeting was about obtaining dirt on hillary clinton. the president says it is totally legal. is that a fact? no. let's bring in asha rangappa and professor alan dershowitz. now, the statute at play that people are going to hear discussed, i want to put it up on the screen for them so all the legalese doesn't go over everybody's head. this would be the concern. you keep hearing lawyers tell you all the time and experts and some not so experts saying, you can't get help from a foreign inimical power. here's the law. it shall be unlawful for a person to solicit, which means to try to get, accept, or receive a contribution or donation prescribed in these different places from a foreign national. asha rangappa, former fbi agent, law degree, make the case. is this tweet a problem? >> this tweet is a problem
because it's acknowledging that the purpose of that meeting was to obtain information that would benefit the campaign from foreign nationals. now, there are a few legal issues here. the first is whether what was being offered was a thing of value. this is something you'll hear lawyers arguing about. and a big clue here is in the recent indictment that robert mueller just filed against the gru officers, and in that indictment, the charges for hacking which he brings against those 12 gru officers alleges that the stolen e-mails were worth over $5,000, which makes them a thing of value. i think you could argue that they are valuable in many other ways, but he's essentially laying the groundwork that this was a thing of value. the question here is did they accept or receive it? i think that here you do have the other party, the russian crown, prosecutor, friend or whoever these people were
reaching out. they weren't soliciting, but they did go to the meeting. and the question is what happened afterwards? and there are some strange coincidences when you look at the indictment, the dates that are in there and other things that we know happened subsequent to that meeting. but i'll let my colleague make his case and then respond. >> he's smiling wide. but add this to the mix for yourself, professor. one step farther than asha wants to go. if it's illegal to solicit and you find out that someone has dirt for you and you know what kind of person it is, and you go there to get it, why isn't that soliciting? and then what do you make of this in context? >> well, first of all, it may very well be soliciting, and it may very well be a thing of value. the problem is it would be unconstitutional for a statute to prohibit a candidate from obtaining information from any source whatsoever. just like "the new york times" can't be prohibits from obtaining information or chris cuomo can't be prohibited from obtaining information, even if the information you have was
stolen, even if you know it was given to you by manning or snowden, or daniel ellsberg. the constitution requires an open marketplace of ideas. and you cannot construe a statute that was intended to prevent financial contributions largely to apply to information, to apply to facts, to apply to news. that would be unconstitutional. >> so you're hitting her with the pentagon papers defense. you're saying that opposition research, dirt on clinton, is information just like if it came to me, asha, and therefore it doesn't qualify under this statute. >> absolutely. >> this is a false analogy, chris. first of all, political campaigns are not news organizations, and here the key word in what professor dershowitz just said is the open marketplace of ideas. when you have something happening surreptitiously, under the table, secretly, that is not an open marketplace of ideas. now, if the trump campaign went on tv and said, hey, the russian
government just gave us all this stolen information and told the voters that, that would be one thing. i still think it would be a crime, but at least they're being transparent. when they are concealing the source of that, that is exactly what our open society is meant to prevent. we want people to evaluate information in context. and just to bring this back to the framers of the constitution, they were worried about two things, chris. they were worried about foreign influence and self-dealing. this is why we have a natural born citizen requirement. we want, you know, loyalty. we don't want influence from outside. this is the federalist papers 68 where hamilton warns of foreign governments trying to infiltrate our elections. so i completely disagree that this is permissible as some kind of first amendment right. >> professor. >> the statute itself clearly is intended to cover financial contributions. it's always been applied that way. it has never been construed or interpreted -- >> then why didn't they say that? >> why didn't they say what? >> money.
>> well, they did. they said something of value. >> right. but why didn't they say money? >> but you have to construe a -- let me be even more specific. even if they intended to cover this, they can't cover it because it could be unconstitutional. you cannot regulate ideas. the federal government simply doesn't have the power under the first amendment to prohibit a candidate -- remember, a candidate is also expressing first amendment views. he has exactly the same status as "the new york times" and as you do. he has the right or she has the right to use any information from any source, and it doesn't matter whether it's a foreign or domestic source, and that's why to construe an ambiguous statute that way would violate the first amendment. and the first rule of constitutional construction is if you have a statute that's capable of being construed in two different ways, you must always construe it constitutionally consistent with the first amendment. >> i hear the arguments on either side, but there's something else going on here.
lying, okay? there is lying going on here, professor. there was lying going on about what we were told about this meeting. the statement that was done about it. the president's role in it. and then even when that statement was written, it was deceptive about what actually happened in the meeting, and that seems to be clear on the face of this tweet, asha. so even if it isn't illegal, what does this mean to investigators in terms of looking at a pattern of behavior of how this then-candidate, now-president treated these types of issues? >> it means that they believe that they were doing something wrong, period. that is why people lie. i mean you know that from being a parent and watching your 5-year-old. you know, one thing, let's just assume arguendo as we would say in legalese, that these are crimes and that, you know, they did agree, and there is, say, a conspiracy. there's an affirmative defense in conspiracy where if you renounce the conspiracy, you say
actually, i don't want to do this anymore or i don't want to have anything to do with this, that can be your defense. and, chris, i think it's important for viewers to remember that in august of 2016, the fbi went and warned the trump campaign that russia was trying to infiltrate their campaigns and influence the elections. and at that point, that was the time for every single person who had these sketchy contacts to come forward and say, you know what, that's kind of funny because, you know, two random russians showed up in trump tower. that could have been a defense, and yet at every turn they have chosen to lie, conceal, deflect, and cover up every contact that they've had, not just these three people in the meeting, but everyone else associated with the campaign. >> what you're doing -- >> final quick word, professor. >> what you're doing is what so many people do. you're conflating bad conduct with criminal conduct. this may be bad conduct. lying is not a good thing if there was lying here. but to turn this into a crime, imagine if hillary clinton were elected president, and she were
being investigated, and these were the charges. every civil libertarian would be up in arms talking about the first amendment, talking about the right of association, talking about all of these rights. but a double standard is being applied depending on which shoe the foot is on, and that's very inconsistent with the due process of law and -- >> we're dealing with the cards in front of us right now. as we all know -- >> that's right. >> -- lying is is a problem. >> it is a political problem. it is not a legal problem. >> maybe so, but it's a problem nonetheless. >> you cannot turn tweets -- it's a problem. i'm not here to defend anybody's problem. >> it's a problem. >> not every problem has to be a crime in order to matter. that's the flip side of your argument. but i got to go, professor. >> that's what i've been saying for two years. that not every problem is a crime. that's all i'm saying. >> right. but it doesn't have to be a crime to be a problem. that's the flip. thank you as always. got to go. tough sanctions on iran are about to go into effect tonight at midnight. that's how urgent it is.
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the menacing that they're doing. however, remember back in 2015, all the countries involved said the deal was just about nukes, not all the other bad stuff that iran was doing. just for context. all right. then they say, well, there's new violations of what they were supposed to do under the deal even though they walked away from the deal, which you would think would relieve iran of those types of considerations. but that's not true. international inspectors say that they are complying with the deal. what does that leave? i wonder if this tweet -- put this tweet back on the screen for people, the one the president put out there. i wonder if the tweet with the president admitting that he knew what that meeting about -- not that he knew, but that the meeting was about getting information on clinton. i wonder if the timing of that has anything to do with this abrupt turn to iran, especially when the real sanctions on iran aren't scheduled right now. they're in november. so why do it now? however, in fairness, the new sanctions are going to be
imposed, and we do have 90 to 100 days after he walked away as a transition period that the administration gave companies to wind down contracts with iran in order to avoid penalties. so we are within that window, so maybe that's why they're doing this now just to be fair. however, so now that trump has decided this is what's going to happen, the timing aside, what does it mean? all right. here are the pluses to the move. here's the first big plus. ready? money is power, right? a paucity of money, when you cut money, you cut it, that creates what? pressure, okay? that's what this is about, pressure. a big ugly word because i can't write because i'm a lefty. and this is what the key is here. take away the money, you apply pressure. a u.s. official says that nearly 100 international firms have announced their intent to leave the iranian market. now, that's going to hurt. you combine that with more squeezing by the government, these renewed sanctions, there could be civil unrest.
in fact, national security adviser bolton pointed to riots on sunday as proof of desired pressure. what's the hope? that unrest equals a deal, okay? that's what you're hoping is that they'll come back to the table and say we want to make a better deal. here's the flip, though. rouhani, the iranian leader, says the opposite is true. you sanction us like that, we're less likely to deal. bolton suggested that our european allies are considering joining the u.s. move. here's the problem. there is no proof of that. here are the facts. the eu, russia, china, they're all sticking with the accord. they put out a statement on monday. what did they say? the eu, the uk, and france all said -- and germany -- we deeply regret that the u.s. is doing what they're doing right now. the eu announced it was going to take legal steps to protect eu companies doing legitimate business in iran that gives them back their money, okay? one more point for you. let's be very clear.
iran is not china. it is not even north korea. it's not russia. how? they're driven by religion. they are zealots there. religion, ethnic conflict. those are the driving forces, not just economics or mere land grabs. so if a tougher round of sanctions that is going to happen tonight is going to then give an extra step to what's supposed to happen in november with these even more biting sanctions, those are on iran's sale of crude oil and transactions with its central bank. those are big. what happens? the markets, the military, resulting mayhem are all potential negative outcomes from this kind of move. so it is a gamble. those are the factors here on the white board of everything at play with the somewhat random decision. what about this strategy or lack thereof? we have an expert. phil mudd is here. he knows the problems. he knows the potential solutions. where does this fit?
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for you on the white board. we'll put it on online, on my twitter feed and the show's feed if you didn't get it. how about the strategy in play? for that, we've got as good a guest as we can have. cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd. let's make three quick points. first of all you say don't get too deep in the weeds of strategy. look at the president first, why? >> i love these strategy conversations. can we look at the personality of the president? repeatedly he's told us how he thinks. he's told this, and he said this publicly, i'm the only policy maker in public office. forget about state department. i'm the man who makes policy. and he's told us repeatedly, i'm a genius. what has he done in every circumstance? north korea, u-turn. russia, u-turn. g7, he goes to canada and embarrasses them. u-turn. nato, u-turn. they're not our friends. they need to pay more. he comes in and says, i'm smarter than bush. i'm smarter than obama. in every one of these circumstances, i'm u-turning because my solution is a better solution.
same thing with iran, u-turn. >> so the u-turn here would be him actually, to me, it looks like stepping on the gas and saying, i'm going to sanction them. the timing is a little curious, but let's take the tactic. i'm going to sanction you to come to the table and say, i want a better deal, mr. trump because my people are rioting. i'm squeezed. i'm poor. >> good luck. if you're going to sanction someone that way, one of the lessons of history is you've got to make sure they don't have too many pressure valves where they can turn off the pressure someplace else. let me give you three pressure valves that are going to help the iranians. number one, the europeans are coming out saying we're not with you on this one. number two, people who aren't side by side with the president so far this time that is longtime friends with iran for decades. that's the russians and the chinese potentially not only buying oil but defense contracts with the iranians who have got a lot of oil money. when we think we can squeeze the iranians unilaterally, they're
saying i've got the europeans, the chinese and the russians. ain't going to work. >> in terms of getting that unrest going, getting the progressives such as they might exist inside the iranian government and larger society to work with the united states to create change there, you say a move like this doesn't necessarily help. >> well, careful. there's traditionally over the course of decades two camps in iran. you have the reformists. let's not call them moderates. you have the reformists, people who want to move forward. and you have the conservatives. so the conservatives would have said be careful with this deal with the americans. be careful. >> in 2015. >> that's right. since the revolution in 1979, they've been our enemy. they like the saudis. we hate the saudis. big american military presence in the persian gulf. we don't like them there. if you were a conservative wanting to attack the people who made the deal with the americans this time, you're going to step back and say, i told you. you signed the deal in 2015, and they screwed you again.
you cannot trust the americans. this is more evidence of it. >> phil mudd, three solid points. appreciate it. so it is the eve of a big election night in america. why? tomorrow four states are holding key contests that could ultimately alter the balance of power in congress. one of the candidates in play is in kansas, and he's being hailed as the next big thing by progressives. introducing brent welder and big news of a very powerful new friend in his corner. who is it? what does it mean? next. i get it all the time. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick.
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congressional candidate brent welder. good to have you on, sir. >> hey, chris, great to be here. thank you so much. >> so, boy, oh, boy, is this some mix of what you have going on in the primary there. i was just trying in the break to figure it out. i can't give you a sense of what we think is going to happen. what do you think happens tomorrow night, and more importantly, why? >> well, we are up in the polls right now both in the general election. we're beating congressman yoder by seven points, which is the largest lead of any democratic challenger in the country. we're also up in the primary polls for tomorrow quite a bit. now, obviously i am not taking anything for granted. we're working hard for every single last vote, and we're going to keep working hard until we beat congressman yoder in november because obviously this is an extremely important election. >> you know, i had rosie o'donnell on earlier. tonight she's got people who are broadway performers down in front of the white house. i don't know if you had a chance. i know you're campaigning. but the conversation for her is trump's got to go. he's a bad guy. he does bad things. the democrats have to win.
my point back is anti is not enough. when you look at big turns, whoever wins in midterms does it because they are offering something for, not just against. and when i was looking at your site and looking at some of the messages, where do you think the democrats come out on that? how do you make the point that you're better for the economy with all those robust index numbers that we've seen, that you're better for national security when we're in a relatively safe state? how do you make a better case? >> well, you know, i was one of the first staffers on barack obama's campaign. i was the national field director for the teamsters. i've been around organizing for a long time. and what i've seen unfortunately for so many years now is that the democrats keep losing and losing and losing. we've lost the white house. we've lost the house, the senate, state legislators, the governorship, and we've been doing it generally speaking the same way, trying to run candidates that are running on a corporatist message, on a center-right message, and it hasn't worked. i'm a labor lawyer. i've spent the last decade in teamster labor halls around the country.
and what i find is these people that voted for barack obama and then donald trump will come back to the democratic party, but you have to tell them exactly what you're going to do for them. you have to talk to them about these bold, progressive economic ideas. that's how we're going to win them back. i think that's why i'm beating congressman yoder by seven points right now, the largest lead in the country even though i'm right here in kansas. these economic ideas are resonating so well with people in my district. >> the third district includes kansas city, am i right? >> yeah, that's where i live in fact, so i hope it does. >> so that's helping you in terms of a message that will go to a more diverse and a bigger population. when you say about winning trump voters back, a lot of them are voting for him on cultural dynamics. they're not the blue collar, pocketbook economics that i grew up with a father who was in the democratic party as a governor, and he talked to that a lot. that's not the dialogue anymore,
and it seems to be that you have two layers of conflict and challenge to deal with. that one that they're talking culture, not just commerce. and, two, that the left has a divide, which is guys like you and the criticism will be, mr. welder, you're free everything. you're free everything for everybody. free, free, free. can't have enough tax money injected into people's lives versus a more centrist approach. how do you deal with both of those burdens? >> you know, one thing you didn't mention that i think is actually extremely important to these working class folks that we need to win back is finally ending the corrupting influence of big money in politics. that's something that i've been working for myself throughout my life. i actually, when i started running 14 months ago, pledged that i was never going to accept one penny of corporate pac money. i've been involved in politics long enough to see how that affects things and how it causes these politicians like my opponent, kevin yoder, who has taken more money from the payday loan sharks than any member of the house or u.s. senate to side about giant banks and giant
corporations instead of people. that is the thing i think is resonating most with people is they're ready to send someone to congress who is not corrupted and who rejects this kind of corporate spending. >> you're still going to have to deal with the free, free, free. i interview bernie all the time. i saw how ocasio-cortez, that specific people were open to needing more from government. worked in her district. especially in the third district where you are, because you get outside that city, you get a different viewpoint. what is going on with ending spending? you have a conservative group. do you believe they're trying to help you by all the -- people have to go on. you have to google it for yourself. they put a ton of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars into this seat, and they're running ads that some of your opponents say are helpful to you. what is going on? why is a conservative pac doing ads that some say are helpful to you, and how do you see it? >> those are the strangest ads i've ever seen in my entire life. i have no idea what their motivation is. what i do know is that i'm beating kevin yoder by seven points.
>> you do know that because you've said that three times. why are they putting this money in the race? >> i'm proud of it. i'm proud of it. it's the largest lead of any democratic challenger in the country, and it's right here in kansas. i think that pretty much kind of speaks for itself as far as the policies i'm running on. i'm fighting against the corruption. you know, kevin yoder votes with donald trump virtually ever single time, and people are sick of it, and that's why i feel really confident that we're going to be able to flip this seat in kansas. you know, 25,000 people have gone to brentwelder.com to give small dollar donations or volunteer on this campaign. 25,000. that's how we're building a people fuelled campaign. even though i'm rejecting corporate pack money. >> the biggest dollar of adds would come from ending spendsing. a group that gave a million dollars to donald trump. we'll follow lt race carefully. please come back and make the case if you winds up on top. >> thank you so much.
can't wait. >> so, donald trump atactic. well known. if you criticize him he will attack you brutally. and what happens? his base generally -- what about what he said about lebron james? and don? don lemon and here with the reaction you have been waiting for. looking good, and smart. next. ♪ ♪ keep it comin' love. if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. come hok., babe. nasty nighttime heartburn? try new alka-seltzer pm gummies. the only fast, powerful heartburn relief plus melatonin so you can fall asleep quickly. ♪ oh, what a relief it is!
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tweeted. lebron james was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, don lemon. he made lebron look smart which isn't easy to do. i like mike. who's the real dummy? a man who puts kids in classrooms or one who puts kids in cages. #be best, of course refers to first lady's campaign for better character. what was the point you want people to take from this? >> who's the real dummy? i want people to take the truth from this. who's the real dummy. lebron james is -- okay, chris, listen, you're sitting at home, watching the report -- he's not even at home in bedminster. he's watching a report on someone who happens to be black and they're doing something really great for their community and not only changing kids lives but their families as well, changing the trajectories of
their future and you call me dumb and him dumb by default. if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all. why did he feel the need? i was aiming to do exactly what i said there, who is the real dummy? somebody who sits down and sees this or someone who's putting kids in classrooms. >> you point out material misstatements and lies by the president and his administration and he hates it, so i've prepared something for you. listen to what was written about the president lying and the damage. and i'll tell you who wrote it afterwards. if you and i fall into bad moral habits we could harm our families our employer and our friends. the president of the united
states can incinerate the planet. seriously the very idea that we ought to have at or less than the same moral demands placed on the chief executive that we place on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous. and then he went onto this, for those around the president our leaders must either act to restore the lust s and dignity of the institution of the presidency or we can be certain that this is only the beginning of an even more difficult time for our land. for the nation to move on, the president must move out. you know who said that? vice president mike pence wrote it in the '90s about bill clinton. now he is apparently immune to hypocrisy. but what does that tell yo about what you're up against? >> that was then, this is now. we're up against tribalism. we're up against people who will lie, steal, and cheat, lie to their own mother, lie to themselves about what's right of
this country, lie about truth and facts. lie about any terrible misdeed, any awful saying they will just ignore it for their own political purpose. they will ignore the bigotry and the pettiness and the childishness about what donald trump said about me and lebron james and others just because they want to gain some political clout or they want a few more dollars in tax money. at what cost? >> i'll tell you as much as it would usually make me jealous and angry towards you to be mentioned in the same sentence with lebron james, it is warranted here because you both were bringing about the best in what that situation was supposed to be. here's what the president tweeted about us. the fake news hates me saying they're the enemy of the people only because they know it's true. i'm providing a great service by explaining this to the american people. they purposely cause great division and distrust. they can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick. now, this is an example of the lie.
how? it's a material misstatement of the fact to deceive. we've pushed back on propaganda before. and the president is the only person that can start a war, not the press. and it's exactly his vast power, that's why people like don lemon hold him to account. lies are dangerous. >> you know what projections are, and i say chris, you're projecting. >> you actually do say that. >> if you will listen to this president, what he says, what he tweets, what he writes, it's always projection. whatever he says about someone else is usually true about him. whatever he's trying to hide he usually puts that out. now, i don't know what that says about him. i'm not a psychologist, but i know what projection is, and i think we all know what that is. and we know it's true because time and time again it's come to be true after the president says so. >> riddle me this smart guy,
Power-meetingRussianDemocratic-partyCallImpeachmentWhite-houseUs-senateFactAllItThingsPointbecome a reality among democrats. up first, a tale of two felons. president trump praises paul manafort, his former campaign chairman, now convicted on eight federal counts of tax and bank fraud. the president tweeted this, i feel very badly for paul manafort and his wonderful family. justice, and he puts the word justice in quotes took a 12-year-old tax case among other things applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike michael cohen, he refused to break. make up stories in order to get a deal. such respect for a brave man. the president took another swipe at michael cohen, his former lawyer and personal fixer for more than a decade who pleaded guilty to eight charges and implicated the president of the united states in a hush money scheme. the president tweeted this. quote, if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, i would strongly suggest that you don't retain the services of michael cohen." let's bring in our white house
house, thank you. republicans, meanwhile, in congress for the most part, they failed to act as a check on president trump, but will these guilty verdicts, plea and guilty plea serve as a moment of reckoning for a party hoping to stay in control in november? at the same time, can democrats use this to their advantage to try to stall brett kavanaugh's nomination for the united states supreme court. let's go to our congressional correspondent phil mattingly. he's up on capitol hill. what are you hearing from both sides, phil? >> as you would expect, republicans not rushing out to talk about this. and those who are, certainly not willing to do so in a critical way. look at where republican leaders are. i ran into mitch mcconnell earlier today. he chose not to respond when i asked him about this. speaker paul ryan said they need more information. scra john cornyn said while this was serious, this had nothing to do with russia. also orrin hatch saying there are issues here, but we're not really sure what else we can do. take a listen.
>> they can't be ignored. >> high crimes and misdemeanors? >> i wouldn't go that far. >> do you think this opens up the president to being indicted while sitting in office? >> no, i don't because i don't think he can be indicted while sitting in office. we'll just have to see where this all works out. >> wolf, it's somewhat of a familiar refrain up here where something happens at the white house. some republicans have concerns. others don't want to weigh in on it at all. behind the scenes, aides make clear how serious this is. they just aren't sure what their bosses should do about it. on the democratic side, you've seen democrats led by chuck schumer coalesce around a single strategy. take a listen. >> the president identified as an unindicted co-conspirator of a federal crime, an accusation made not by a political enemy but by the closest of his own confidantes is on the verge of
making a lifetime appointment to the supreme court, a court that may some day soon determine the extent of the president's legal jeopar jeopardy. in my view, the senate judiciary committee should immediately pause the consideration of the kavanaugh nomination. >> senator schumer referring to brets c brett kavanaugh, the president's supreme court nominee. when you've heard from democrat after democrat this morning, it's not impeachment. many of them don't want to touch the issue at all. it's all about that nomination saying as long as this is an issue hanging out there those issues should be postponed. a member of the judiciary committee has canceled her one on one meeting with kavanaugh. the reality is republicans control the chamber. republicans have the votes if they are unanimous to move this nomination through. right now democrats hoping this issue helps their push, not just to block the nomination on the floor but to pause the hearings
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e-mails, which is a computer crime that was the subject of the indictment of the 12 russians. >> let's discuss this and more with our experts. cnn political analyst molly ball, ross garber and carrie cordero. do you think michael cohen has enough information that would be worthwhile to robert mueller, the special counsel, to go ahead and bring him in for questioning and maybe work out some sort of deal with him? >> well, that's the big question. what information of value does michael cohen have? i have tended to think over the last few weeks as his public messaging continued to go along the same lines as lanny davis just said. that michael cohen has information to tell. i've tended to think if he really had information that the investigators needed, that they would have already been talking to him. and so i'm inclined to think the investigators may not need michael cohen as much as michael
cohen needs a deal to lessen his jailtime sentence when he comes up for sentencing. >> he can get five years in december. that's when he's scheduled to be sentenced. >> according to his current plea, he could get five years. so i think it's in his interest and that's why we're seeing his lawyer out front arguing that he has information of value. but all of this time, the special counsel investigators could have been talking to michael cohen and if they haven't, then i'm inclined to think that maybe they don't need him as much as he might need them. >> you saw those tweets posted this morning. paul manafort, now a convicted felon stealing millions of dollars from american taxpayers in these various schemes. he calls him a brave man who refused to break and make up stories to get a deal. and he contrasted that with michael cohen. so you think the president is setting the stage for a pardon for paul manafort? >> it seems hard to read it otherwise. that's the message. the message is, hang in there, buddy. hang tough.
and i think those are really the big issues right now. >> here's the one problem. i'll get to you, molly. the one problem if he issues a pardon, he could be subpoenaed -- we're talking about paul manafort -- testify before congress. he condition no longer plead the fifth if he has a pardon from the president of the united states? >> maybe, maybe not. some of them were tax fraud charges which may expose him to consequences -- criminal consequences in state court. and so his equivalent to the fifth amendment right is available in that context. and it's very rare for a judge to say, no, you can't invoke the fifth. you have to testify. i think as a practical matter he probably still could decline to testify. >> molly, how do you see this unfolding? >> with all due respect, there's a way to read it that is not just as a signal that trump is going to pardon cohen. if he did intend to pardon him -- >> sorry, to pardon manafort.
he's had a lot time of when he could have done that and hasn't seen fit to do it. and his insistent all along, including after the verdict, this case has nothing to do with me. this is stuff manafort did long before i ever knew him. and, you know, there is a point to him announcing this in public on twitter rather than simply sending a private message. he is speaking to the public. he is speaking to his base and his supporters and to republicans. he is sending a message about the whole narrative he's been shaping of this investigation. the narrative of the witch hunt. the narrative of loyalty and disloyalty. these characters that he's created in the public imagination to say, here is a good man who has been loyal to me. here's a bad man who is not loyal to me and we can't trust him. he's continuing his ongoing campaign to discredit anything that michael cohen says by creating this contrast with the character of manafort. >> i agree. i think the fact it's happening in public and that we all get to see it is -- you are exactly right. it's still fascinating and extraordinary. >> some have suggested, carrie,
manafort's association with the president, the odds were good manafort would not have been prosecuted and tried and convicted. >> we wouldn't have known about his crimes. >> exactly. >> now that we know about his crimes, the president is still praising him. >> and still praising him and the president might also think it was unfair that he was jailed pretrial. so the president may actually believe that paul manafort was treated and has been treated unfairly. >> we've got a lot more to discuss, guys. thank you very, very much. everyone stand by. all eyes now on house republicans, how they'll handle this news. i'll speak live with one of them who also happens to be a key member of the house intelligence committee. plus, the sheer number of people in the president's orbit who are now convicted criminals or in serious legal trouble. that number is growing. we'll break it down for you. one democratic senator is standing by to join us live after she just cancelled her meeting with the u.s. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh suns the president is, what she
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january 12th, 2018. "the wall street journal" reports michael cohen arranged a $130,000 payment to adult film star stormy daniels just one month before the 2016 election to keep her from going public about an alleged affair with mr. trump. in a statement, cohen called the allegation about the affair outlandish. then, on february 13th, cohen told "the new york times" he used his own personal funds to pay off daniels saying neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction and neither reimbursed me for the payment. on march 5th, "the wall street journal" reported cohen wired the money to daniels' lawyer just 12 days before the election. cohen responded with a two-word e-mail statement, fake news. two days later, the white house weighed in. >> i've had conversations with the president about this. there was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he's denied all of these
allegations. >> on april 5th, president trump broke his silence on the stormy daniels payments, denying involvement. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> why did michael cohen make this if there was no truth? >> michael is my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> a few days later he acknowledged michael did represent him in the deal with daniels. >> he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal, he represented me, and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. there were no campaign funds going into this. >> why is he pleading the fifth? >> on may 2nd, rudy giuliani took it one step further. >> no campaign finance violation. so they funneled it through a law firm. >> funneled it through a law firm and the president repaid it. but he did know about the
general arrangement that michael would take care of things like this. >> the following morning, mr. trump added that cohen received a monthly retainer. then on july 24th, cohen's lawyer released a secret recording between cohen and mr. trump discussing the logistics of another payment. this time to former playboy model karen mcdougal. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> what financing? >> i have to pay -- >> cash. >> no, no, no. >> on august 21st, cohen officially flipped on his former boss and plead guilty to campaign finance charges stemming from those payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdoug ap. he also told the federal judge the mcdougal payment was for the principal purpose of influencing the election. we should note that president trump denies these affairs with these two women. joining us now, utah congressman chris stewart, a republican. a key member of the house intelligence committee. very nice of you, congressman,
to join us today. so many of your republican colleagues are sort of run away from tv cameras right now. but thanks so much for joining us. i want to get your reaction clearly to michael cohen, the president's longtime personal attorney and fixer. what he told this federal court yesterday about the president's direct coordination, direction in these payoffs to these two women. >> well, wolf, it's a mess. and, look, i honestly don't know what to believe at this point. mr. cohen has been very inconsistent. the president hasn't been terribly consistent in things that he has said. it's going to take a little while for us to really understand what really happened here. i do want to say this, though. >> go ahead. >> and that is that, well, there's this allegation or this pleading that he made these payments. and that would only be legally effective if it was an illegal
campaign contribution of some kind. and fec law is a click margin -- it's very complicated, but i talked with an fec attorney and he said i don't think that would be illegal. there are others who clearly think it would be. i'm interested to hear what the fec has to say. >> would it be illegal if you're running for the u.s. house of representatives and gave someone else money to pay off, only days before an election, these kinds of allegations from emerging? would that be illegal? >> well, i mean, if i use my campaign founds, it clearly would be illegal. if i use my personal funds, i don't know that it would be. i'm not trying to defer or protect. i genuinely don't know. >> if that money was being used as an in-kind campaign contribution, the money that you are giving someone else being used as an in-kind campaign
contribution, and it isn't disclosed to the fec as an in-kind campaign contribution, wouldn't that be illegal? >> i honestly don't know that. and john edwards was tried on something very similar. he was not convicted on that. i think it's -- >> john edwards? >> yes. it's a very niche area of law, and not much expertise in this. but if i could draw one other comparison, if i could. i know, wolf, you may not agree with this. but i think it's fair to do this. and that is the american people hope that, two things. one is that no one is above the law. mr. manafort, though he was a friend of the prrkesident, he should be held accountable. i hope the president doesn't pardon him. but it would be a terrible mistake just to pardon someone because they were a friend of the president. the american people want everyone to be treated the same. they don't want anyone to be above the law. but i think you could ask the question, was it illegal for the hillary clinton campaign to hire
fusion gps and foreign agents to dig up dirt on mr. trump? i mean, this is an area that, again, i don't know we know the answers to these questions. they are something we'll have to look at and see what the fec has to say. >> we know the justice department spent more than a year looking into all of these allegations against hillary clinton. we know what the result of those allegations were, what they concluded at the time. but let me basically get your thoughts on this. it's a very sensitive issue right now. and i want to be precise. are you saying you would be upset, you'd be disappointed if the president were to issue a pardon for paul manafort who was convicted yesterday on these eight counts of tax fraud and bank fraud? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely, i would be upset by that and offended by that. why should he be issued a pardon for something that had nothing at all to do with mr. trump. these were transgressions that took place years before he was
working as his campaign chief. he should be held accountable for that. and for the president to pardon him, and by the way, i want to say, i have no indication at all that he's considering that. i don't know that anyone has suggested that. anyone close to the president certainly hasn't. i am just speculating that if he were, that would be a terrible mistake. no reason to pardon him just because he's a friend of the president's. >> i saw his tweets this morning about paul manafort. he said i feel very badly for paul manafort and his wonderful family. and justice took a 12-year-old case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike michael cohen, he refused to break, make up stories in order to make a deal. such respect for a brave man. the president is praising someone who has just been convicted by a jury of his peers of stealing millions of dollars from american taxpayers. is that appropriate? >> well, look, i think the president considers paul manafort a friend. they worked together. if you have a friend or
associate, a family member, someone that you have liked or had a relationship with and they're going to prison, i can understand why the president feels badly for him. but i don't consider mr. manafort a brave man. i don't consider him someone i would hold up in high esteem. look, he broke the law. he should be held accountable for that, just like anyone else should be. >> in the aftermath of these convictions, the plea deal and everything else we've learned over these past several weeks and months, do you think it's appropriate for your committee, the house intelligence committee, to reopen your investigation and, for example, re-interview michael cohen? his lawyer says he's willing to come back without immunity and testify in open session. would that be appropriate to do that with the house intelligence committee? >> you know, wolf, as you and i have talked about many times. the house intel committee's focus is on counterintelligence, protecting national security.
when there are allegations of collusion between the trump campaign or others and russia, that's clearly falls under our purview and area of responsibility. this is something quite different. this is fec law. this is, you know -- >> well, let me rephrase the question. would it be appropriate for another committee in the house of representatives, the oversight committee, judiciary committee, for example, to take a close look at what has just happened? >> well, and that was the point i was about to make. not under intel committee but under judiciary or as you said perhaps government oversight. i think, though, the more effective way to oversee this and prosecute that is through the courts, through the southern court in new york city, as it has been placed. they are the ones who have the investigators, the expertise. it really is a court proceeding, not so much a political proceeding, which it would become if any one of the committees were to take and reopen this. would they have a responsibility for oversight? they have a responsibility to ask these questions. if they feel that's necessary, i
wouldn't object to that. but i don't think it should supplant the judicial process. >> we know there was a judicial process under way during watergate and the nixon impeachment process, yet the house judiciary committee, they went full speed ahead and they opened up a full oversight committee hearing in that area when john dean, the white house counsel stood up and testified and said what he said about those secret tapes. we know what that eventually resulted in. and i want to pick up this conversation, congressman. i know you are going to stand by with me. we have a lot more to discuss, including michael cohen's bombshell sparking calls for president trump's impeachment. we'll discuss that among other issues. also, there's more breaking news. we're getting word right now that the democratic national committee headquarters right here in washington, d.c., has again been targeted in what's being called the sophisticated attempt to hack into voter database. issues, the details just coming in.
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then his former hhs secretary, tom price, scott pruitt from the epa, they've resigned under fire. what do you say to your colleagues, your friends, your constituents about the president's initial promise to surround himself only with the best people. >> well, i mean, that clearly hasn't happened. not in every instance. i think he does have some amazing people around him, some very capable people. especially his national security team. general mattis, mike pompeo, and so he has had a very good team in some cases. in some cases, he's clearly had people who have disappointed him. you have to differentiate degree and scale here as well. mr. manafort and mr. flynn under very different circumstances. the accusations against them are very different. general flynn served his country for many years. you know, the accusation about lying to the fbi is one incident with a very minimal potential jail sentence. that's very different from mr.
manafort and mr. cohen. in fairness, it's important to draw that distinction between those two. >> all right. while i have you, i want to shift gears dramatically. you're just back from a visit to south korea where you have had a chance to assess what's going on with north korea, the aftermath of the president's meet wiing w the north korean leader. what's your bottom line assessment as you look back at where things are. >> the reason is, i'm encouraged. if you'd asked me a year ago, do i think there's any way kim jong-un is going to agree to denuclearization, i would have said no. no possible way we're going to convince him of that. and that wasn't just me. it was the cia analysts and others who shared that view. but i really think there's an opportunity now. last fall, military members there, and as you said, i was just back from the trip. spent a lot of time with cia and other agencies and military. they were actually preparing for the possibility of war some time this spring. and they feel now they've got a
breath of relief. they feel there's an opportunity for diplomacy and for negotiations which we just didn't have before. and such a good thing for the people in korea. such good thing for the american people. it's not going to happen by the weekend. it's going to take years. just like our negotiations with russia took years and the s.a.l.t. and s.t.a.r.t. negotiations. we may be able to do something that just a year ago we thought impossible to do. >> the president keeps praising kim jong-un, saying he's ready for another summit with the north korean leader. we'll see if that happens. welcome back to the united states, congressman. thanks for joining us. as i said earlier, so many of your republican colleagues are reluctant to speak out on this day. you're a good man. appreciate it very much. >> thank you, sir. more breaking news we're following. getting president trump's first reaction to michael cohen's guilty plea and implicating the president in a new interview. stay with us.
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trump. here's what he said just moments ago. this is the president of the united states when asked about his knowledge of those payments. >> later on, i knew. later on. but you have to understand. what he did, and they weren't taken out of campaign finance. that's a big thing. that's a much bigger thing. did they come out of the campaign? they didn't come out of the campaign. they came from me. and i tweeted about it. i don't know if you know, but i tweeted about the payments. but they didn't come out of campaign. in fact, my first question when i heard about it was, did they come out of the campaign because that could be a little dicey. and they didn't come out of the campaign. and that's big. but they weren't -- that's not -- it's not even a campaign violation. if you look at president obama, he had a massive campaign violation. but he had a different attorney general. and they viewed it a lot differently. >> all right. let's assess what we just heard
with our crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz who is with us and our politics reporter and editor at large chris cillizza. what's your reaction? >> two things. first, donald trump saying he didn't know at the time runs directly counter to what michael cohen said in the plea agreement. mr. cohen said it was directed and coordinated with the president of the united states. >> this is what he told the federal judge in new york. he made these two payments to these two women, quote, in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office. and he then said it was designed to, quote, influence the election. >> okay. so you can say, well, it's a he said/he said. sort of. michael cohen is testifying under oath in that plea agreement and the southern district of new york, the prosecutors have to believe that he is testifying truthfully in order to say, okay, we'll give you a plea agreement. that's point one. point two, i don't know that
donald trump understands what he's talking about as it relates to campaign finance law. sure, if it didn't come from the campaign, that's one thing. but even so it would mean that he was loaning money to michael cohen as sort of an in-kind contribution to his campaign. that would then have to be disclosed. put aside the fact that, according to cohen, this was all part of an attempt to influence the election by keeping these two women, stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, silent. he's not on solid legal ground here. i defoer to shimon. >> this is being done to influence the election. so what does it matter in terms of whether this was a personal, whether this came from the president personally or the campaign. they made it very clear. and michael cohen in court made it very clear. i was doing this to influence the 2016 campaign at the direction and the cooperation of donald trump. so, you know, i think this is going to probably be one of
trump's perhaps arguments in all of this. he keeps changing the story as we know when he knew, what he knew about these payments. you know, and it's better off for him. he has to defend himself. but legally, when you think about it, he should let his lawyers deal with this. >> one other thing to add because in a tweet this morning and in that clip, he mentions the obama thing. barack obama campaign paid a massive fine. >> his campaign. >> now what was that in regards to? it was in regards to, basically in the last, i think it's -- in the last 2 1/2, 3 weeks of a campaign of a primary or general, legeneral election you have to report contributions you get in the last 48 hours. it's so that it's not backlogged in the last months of the campaign. that's what he was fined for. not adequately filing those 48-hour reports in detail. that's a very different thing than directly coordinate --
again, testimony under oath, coordinating and directly sort of advising him, michael cohen, to use money to silence two women making allegations about the president of the united states. and let's remember, stormy daniels it was 11 days before the election that michael cohen had a shell company pay him. >> i'll never forget the payment was $130,000 to stormy daniels. $150,000 to karen mcdougal. >> you have to assume here because prosecutors have been working this investigation for quite some time that there's other evidence here. this isn't just the word of michael cohen. they're not going to just do that in this situation. so there's got -- they have text messages, there are phone calls they know of, e-mails. remember they did the search warrant. they have all this information, thousands of documents and text messages. so it's a problem, i think. for the president to say, you know, he's just kind of picking and trying to figure out exactly how he can perhaps maybe explain all of this. i don't know. the bottom line is we know what the prosecutors here have said.
watergate. and basically that's what's out there. michael cohen did this under oath in open court, and it seems, i think the president obviously realizes that this is a problem for him. his people certainly realize it is a problem for them, and they need an explanation for this. >> to be clear, what he is offering in that interview and in the tweets is in no way well, 50% of people say this and 50% say this. we're talking about results of an extensive investigation. we're talking about seizure of home, hotel, and office, document after document, e-mails, texts. donald trump can tell a fox news source or tweet out something and make it apples and not even orange, apples to a car about barack obama, but that doesn't change the fundamental facts that we know according to sdny and michael cohen. >> and on almost every occasion goes after the attorney general
of the united states and the justice department of the united states. even though he says you've got to support law enforcement down the road, clearly he's got issues with the attorney general, jeffrey toobi sessions. stick around, there's more news we're following. we'll take a quick break, we'll be right back.
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criminal counts, including campaign finance violations. what's your immediate reaction? >> my immediate reaction is that the mueller investigation must proceed and must be protected to its course. so what's happening is i think the walls are closing in on the president and he must be taking this whole situation as real now. he cannot continue to call it a witch hunt because there have been so many indictments already and his former campaign chair has been found guilty of 8 counts, his former fixer has pled guilty to 8 counts, implicating the president who is now an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal matter. >> as a result of this, you announced dramatically today you're actually cancelling your scheduled meeting with the u.s. supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. tell us why. >> the president is an unindicted co-conspirator and i do not owe this president the courtesy to meet with his nominee, brett kavanaugh, who by
the way is being nominated because the president expects justice cavanaugh should he make it to the supreme court to protect the president. >> your colleague on the committee, richard blumenthal is calling for delay in the scheduled hearings, supposed to start september 4th for brett kavanaugh. is that realistic? you're the minority, republicans are the majority. >> from the beginning we democrats have called for delay in terms of the hearing and we said what's good for the goose is good for the gander, whatever the saying is becau, mitch mcco held that seat for a year, we are asking for delay until this election so the american people can weigh in. we called for delay. even more so now with what's
transpired, we think it is important for us to get all of the documents we need and what is the all fire rush to get the person on the supreme court. i think the rush is, the president wants somebody on the court who will protect. >> let me move to what the president is strongly signaling, that he might be ready for a pardon for paul manafort convicted on 8 counts yesterday, what do you think reaction would be if he were to pardon manafort? >> i think the president has no concept of the limits to his power and yes, he does have discretion to pardon people, but in this case i think it would be all admission of guilty. conspiracy to effect the elections and conspire with russia. i think that's what it would
telegraph to me. i hope that's what it would telegraph to the american people. >> finally, i want to switch gears. a category four is moving closer and closer to the hawaiian islands. first of all, is your state prepared? >> yes. there's already been a declaration of disaster. some schools have been closed, offices are closed, and i want to urge all of the people of hawaii to take care, and also let's be kind to each other. tempers flare at a time like this. one more thing regarding judge brett kavanaugh, he can make this claim to this nomination, make his case in open hearing under oath. i at this point will not be voting for him. >> let's see if he gets other democrats to vote for him. if any republicans vote against him. we'll see what unfolds in the coming weeks. senator hirono, thanks for being here.
PresidentFelon-paul-manafortDonald-trumpCountsDemocratsBank-fraudRealityTaxUp-firstFelonsEightTwolawyer, william burke. however, the lawyer then says but they were okay with giving this information over. this administration isn't. make some sense of this for me. >> well, i think the thing to think about is this, i'm not sure at the end of the day how much difference it's going to make. partly this is a matter of arithmetic. the republicans simply have the votes. but secondly while this will be, and you can count on it, that the democrats will be following joe biden's advice, they'll be saying how can we vote on this guy until we know every possible thing about him. the crucial question will be how will he vote as a judge, what can we learn from his time on the court of appeals here in the district of columbia. i think that's where the bulk of the questions will be. what's going to be new and different about this confirmation hearing is questions about how far you can go in subpoenaing or possibly indicting or other legal process against a sitting president. that becomes important obviously because of what's going on with
bob mueller and president trump and it's an important question for judge kavanaugh because when he worked for ken starr's team during the monica lewinsky investigation, he had one view that you should be able to go after a sitting president. since then he's changed his mind and say, no, presidents should be beyond the reach of that sort of legal process, although he has said that it would take acts of congress to give them complete immunity. >> danny, i want to just refer to a quote that i think we've heard before. it's not a quote but a recording we've heard of kavanaugh talking about morrison versus olson. this is a case which is about executive -- it's about a special counsel. it's the legislation that allows for a special counsel. listen to what kavanaugh had to say about this. >> can you think of a case that deserves to be overturned? >> yes. actually i was going to say one, morrison v. olson. >> that's the independent counsel statute case.
exactly is in control of the independent counsel? can you have this creation that lives outside of our three branches of government that has really -- it's responsible or answerable to no one. conservatives have long criticized it and it was effectively overruled, we say quietly in a 1997 case, an opinion authored by justice scalia. so i should caution people, don't look too closely into that criticism of morrison v. olson as justice kavanaugh indicating that he would withdraw the power of the special counsel. >> so it's not that the president can't be investigated, just conservatives and kavanaugh don't like what that law, which has essentially been overturned, does do. but i want to ask you something about settled law. we'll be hearing over the next few days in these hearings about whether kavanaugh deems things like roe v. wade to be settled law. we use that term a lot on tv. what's it supposed to mean? >> settled law is about the
concept of stare decisis. that's the principle that you let established precedent lie. the controversy with roe is that roe is built on a weak foundation. in fact a criticism of roe is that it was decided too quickly. when the trends were changing and congress and other state legislatures might have arrived at that conclusion without the court summarily yanking all of these abortion laws from the state legislatures. that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of justice ginsburg in some speeches that she's given back -- dating back decades. >> the idea is the court shouldn't be doing what legislators should be doing. >> that's a core tenant of texturalism, the idea that the supreme court, by simply deciding that something should be a right because it feels good is overruling essentially the people's vote through their representative government, through their legislatures. so when we talk about settled star, stare decisis is not the
trump was prescreened by two right-wing extremist groups. one of those groups, executive director has made clear that his number one goal in life is to overturn roe versus wade. the other group has made a top priority rolling back health care coverage for tens of millions of americans. so these are immediate issues that will touch people all across this country. >> well, for my next guest, the battle over the supreme court touches her family. it's entirely personal. she argues that confirming kavanaugh to the court would jeopardize her daughter's life. jamie davis-smith is a photographer in washington, d.c. she joins me now. jamie, thank you for joining me on this. look, there are some questions about what brett kavanaugh would do about the affordable care act, but yours is a very specific situation and it refers to a 2007 ruling in which kavanaugh wrote a decision in dotarlo versus the district of
columbia arguing that the government has the right to make health decisions on the basis of individuals who otherwise may not have that decision-making ability themselves. tell me about this. >> sure. well, my daughter, claire, was born in 2006 in washington, d.c., and faced a lot of challenges, but we -- my husband and i always hoped that she'd be able to live a life with dignity and with some right to self-determination, whatever that meant for her. and then in 2007 this decision came down with brett kavanaugh as the judge in that case and he decided that contrary to what the majority of americans and what the majority of other judges across the country have found, that individuals with disabilities, intellectual disabilities like my daughter don't even have the right to have their own wishes considered when it comes to elective medical procedures. and for me it's just hard to imagine any scenario in which an individual's own wishes about their own medical care would be
completely irrelevant. but that is in fact what judge kavanaugh has said he believes. and if he is given a seat on the supreme court, it's very likely that that could become the law of the land and would affect not just individuals with disabilities like my daughter, who live in d.c., but could affect all americans with individual disabilities across the country. >> and this case had been decided in a prior court in favor of people with disabilities. just so we know, tell me what the practical effect of this would be on someone like your daughter. >> well, there were three plaintiffs in the case. one was subjected to an unwanted eye surgery and two were objected to unwanted abortions. my daughter could be subject to any number of medical procedures as she grows older. she is a medically complex child. she's 12, so she'll soon be a medically complex adult. she does have disabilities that affect all organs in her body,
her brain, her heart, her kidneys, so it's easy to imagine that she has a number of surgeries in her future. and if any of those are considered voluntary or elective, she would have no say at all in whether she wanted that surgery even if her wishes -- >> she doesn't have the decision-making over what she can do but in your view she's able to express desires, wants, things that she may want to have or not want and under the decision that kavanaugh made, that wouldn't be regarded? >> exactly. so using the example of an eye surgery, she does have problems with her eyes. this is something that has actually happened. if there were a surgery that could perhaps improve her vision slightly but she didn't want that surgery and she could express that, maybe she doesn't like the side effects of anesthesia or doesn't like being in a hospital, she could express perhaps that she would rather live with slightly less vision
than have to go through that procedure. under judge kavanaugh's view, her wishes don't have to be considered at all. even though it's a highly invasive procedure that carries risks. >> jamie, thanks for sharing this story with us. jamie davis smith. tomorrow join msnbc for special live coverage. confirmation hearing starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next, voters in massachusetts head to the polls tomorrow in one of the country's most heated primaries. the democratic establishment faces the possibility of a shakeup illustrating a divide between the party's long-time stalwarts and new upstarts. alwas and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio®, the only biologic developed and approved
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values. >> reporter: and so what's fascinating about this race is while presley has been likened to people like alexandria ocasio cortez who unseated joe crowley, this is not a direct parallel because these two actually on paper, on policy, it's not like she's running to the left of him. he's pretty much a good democrat, a good liberal here. his voters feel that he is in line with what they want. of course trump is someone who has taken a central seat in this race. when we spoke to both of these candidates, they have spoken out against the president. but the comparison there to ocasia cortez for ayana presley is she's not looking to wait in line to run against mike capuano. she said she's someone who wants to show that she can be a new face for a changing demographic here in this 7th district, and tomorrow night we'll find out if that's actually the case. >> if you had to figure out what the beef really is that presley
and her supporters have with somebody like capuano, is it generational? is it that they didn't -- they're not fighting enough for progressive interests? is it that they're not -- kw capuano is not progressive enough? what is the actual complaint? >> reporter: i don't know if i've heard the not progressive enough argument made here, but this is a district that has gotten more younger and racially diverse. presley is a black woman and she would be the first black woman to have this congressional seat if elected so i think there is an argument among presley supporters that the district is changing, the demographics are changing and they might want someone who reflects physically what their experience has been and her experience has been growing up here. so i think that is the beef, so to speak, in this race. that being said, capuano supporters would be the first to tell you that they feel like he is progressively in line with where they would like him to be on policy in d.c. as well as bringing home the bacon for his constituents here in boston and
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nears with the rips wary of any preelection surprises. there have been 32 indictments, 5 guilty pleas and two people behind bars. one of those guilty pleas is from former trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos. on friday he is set to appear before a federal judge. over the weekend his attorneys filed a 16-page defense sentencing memo alleging that mr. trump and attorney general jeff sessions approved of the meeting between trump and russia's vladimir putin during the 2016 campaign. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor and john laurel, former federal prosecutor. thanks to both of you for being here. joyce, i was talking to somebody, a lawyer on friday maybe, who said to me that rudy giuliani carrying on about this 60-daytime limit before an election is either 99% wrong or 100% wrong. but those are the only options there. there is not a rule that
prevents an actual indictment or an actual report from coming out from the justice department if it is not with the intention of influencing the outcome of an election. >> that's right, there's not a rule in this regard. what there is instead is a prudential policy of restraint that doj imposes on itself to carefully scrutinize actions that are taken within some window leading up to a federal election or a state election too, not necessarily 60 days, but for prosecutors to think about whether the actions that they're taking are necessary at that point in time or whether they might unduly influence the outcome of an election. so, for instance, we have a situation here where people could potentially be indicted who are not on the ballot and doj would be under no situation to consider those situations. but mueller will be very p
prudential and think through whether actions he takes will affect elections. >> john, former federal prosecutor yourself, so is rudy giuliani. he obviously knows this stuff, but rudy giuliani has now for a few months been saying things that are contrary to the law, but he's not -- doesn't seem to be all that concerned with that. he seems to be waging a campaign in the public sphere that isn't all that concerned with the law. i don't understand the strategy. if any of this stuff shows up before a court or a judge, they'll soon find out what rudy giuliani has been telling the people isn't exactly the case. >> i think his approach is a public relations approach. it's not based on what the legal situations are. the justice department can do what it wants. but mueller cannot want to be criticized in any way of having an effect on the election, so my suspicion is he'll hold off until after the elections. >> let's talk about papadopoulos a little bit. joyce, this thing has gone back and forth. papadopoulos we thought was cooperating.
the investigation seems to not feel that he gave up as much as he could, but agreed to a sentencing recommendation of between zero to six months. his attorneys now saying this guy -- in fact i'll read a little bit of this. papadopoulos attorneys on the meeting with putin saying while some in the room rebuffed george's offer, mr. trump nodded with approval and deferred to mr. sessions who appeared to like the idea and stated that the campaign should look into it. it almost looks like they're trying to squeeze any juice they can out of this lemon to look like they were cooperating. >> i think that that's true and it's dangerous to take this sort of a statement at face value. it's really very vague and says it appeared to be and looked like this. that's not what federal prosecutors look for when they want cooperation. they're looking for evidence that can be backed up with hard proof that can be used to make additional cases. so that, i think, is the distinction between what we see with papadopoulos and what we may see in other cases where defendants have in fact cooperated with prosecutors.
>> this is one of those instances where the trump administration any time anybody gets arrested or charged with anything, they throw them under the bus and say they weren't that influential. it might be george papadopoulos wasn't that influential. >> the bottom line is i want to listen to what the prosecutor says at the sentencing. that's going to really reveal what his cooperation is. the one thing i would say, if he was really going to be a key witness in the trial down the road, he wouldn't have gone to sentencing. they would have held that off until the actual testimony so he would get the benefit of that cooperation. >> joyce vance, this new tweet by donald trump, he's been tweeting about the justice department for a long time and jeff sessions for a long time. now it's jeff sessions' justice department. again, there are a lot of people like you and like john who have worked for the government who have -- who have taken this very seriously who feel that this undermining is dangerous for the system and there are others who say, look, donald trump is all hot air and talk, it's not really corroding anything. what's your view of it?
>> it's reprehensible conduct by a president. our criminal justice system is about fair consideration of crimes, not about using the system for a president, for instance, to protect his allies or to punish his enemies. trump seems to believe that the justice department is his to command, and it's not. for him to continue to undermine it really undermines a fundamental american institution without which we are much less a democratic nation. the republic will be worse off if trump continues on this course unchecked. >> the problem, john, is that if the justice department wishes not to be politicized like the fbi, which the president targets all time, that means they have to stay out of this fray. we haven't had a single comment from robert mueller the entire time. jeff sessions has generally stayed out of it. he did comment a week ago where he said the justice department will not be politicized but ultimately nothing else can happen. the only answer is charges, indictments, grand jury performance.
>> as professional prosecutors, they're doing the absolute right thing which is not to make a comment, not to engage in a political tit for tat. the bottom line also is these charges were brought by local u.s. attorney's offices that are independent from the department of justice. so it's hard to say to the attorney general you are responsible -- >> who has recused himself from things having to do with this in particular. >> exactly. for example, the local attorney's office here in manhattan brought the michael cohen case. so it shows the independence of the local offices trying to do their job and do it without any political influence at all. >> john, thank you. joyce vance, thank you as well. up next, we're heading to milwaukee, wisconsin, where thousands of workers and trump supporters are feeling the economic consequences of the president's trade war. they're telling us what they want from the president as they face tens of millions of dollars of potential losses. you're watching msnbc. c. how can we say when you book direct at choicehotels.com
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drenched. let's see. let's see him. there he is. he's not getting rained on. vaughn, you just ran into senator tammy baldwin. what did she say about this? >> reporter: yeah, senator tammy baldwin, she's a democrat, and she is one of those vulnerable senators up for re-election this november. well, there's so often attention paid to the president's approval ratings, ultimately you have to look particularly here in the midwest from the senate race in ohio up to michigan. here in wisconsin when it comes to the issue of trade, we were here yesterday at a harley davidson parade. there were 6,500 biker, more than 100,000 folks that have been impacted by the likes of this trade war. $55 million in losses is what harley davidson is looking like as an impact of the steel and aluminum tariffs but also the eu's tariff on motorcycles going into the eu. this is what senator tammy baldwin told us. >> i agree with tariffs on china when they cheat. but there's no reason why we
should have pulled in mexico and canada and the european union in those tariffs for steel and aluminum, especially when we're seeing retaliation against wisconsin-made products and harm to wisconsin workers. >> reporter: now, there is harley davidson, to be clear, ali, they are planning to increase production overseas for their motorcycles that are sold over in europe specifically. i asked a couple folks yesterday, a couple riders here from wisconsin about that very fact. >> it's a huge issue right now and there's a lot of people that are very concerned about it and what's going to happen to u.s. companies as a result. i am going to continue to vote republican because i agree with most of their policies. if long term this kind of stuff continues and we keep pushing jobs offshore, that's going to be a problem. how long until it would cause me to vote the other way? >> reporter: correct. >> i don't know. i'd have to see. >> reporter: do you understand harley davidson's decision to
move some of their operations overseas? >> absolutely, i do. for keep costs affordable for everyone that wants to purchase their vehicles. harley davidson has put up a lot of money too, i feel, to keep the costs down. >> reporter: that second woman that you heard from there, ali, she works in a dealership in michigan and rode in for the weekend. as you heard, oftentimes there's acknowledgement that some of these policies are currently hurting the folks like them, they said at the same time there's others like that first gentleman that said hopefully in the long run it works out and there are still other policies that they're voting on, not just simply this trade war. >> vaughn, thanks very much for your reporting from there. a very interesting story. vaughn hillyard in milwaukee. labor day was created to celebrate the labor movement and the american worker. that's what we're celebrating today. president trump marked the holiday by tweeting that, quote, the worker in america is doing better than ever before. but 2018 has actually been a tough year for workers on a
couple of fronts. let's go back to the other screen n june the supreme court ruled that public employees have the right to opt out of union and stop paying dues. while american workers are earning more money, the cost of goods and services are rising. you've got a 2.7 -- 2.9% increase in the cost of living and a 2.7% increase in wages. so you can see that you're actually not earning more money. joining us now to take a closer look at this is one of the nation's foremost labor leaders, randi weingarten. >> good to see you, ali, happy labor day. >> the president keeps making these comments about job growth and how the worker is doing better. the worker in america not only stagnated but was set back during the recession, finally started to make some of that ground back in 2015, 2016. as we see from the numbers,
inflation is back too. gas prices are up, education prices are up, health care prices are up. the worker is not making as much money as they can to overcome those other increases. so the president is kbeer -- empire kael incorrect. >> you see a correlation when you have a strong labor movement like in new york, you see wages go up. when you don't have the density, you see that wages have really stagnated. and then when you look at what happened, for example, in west virginia, the teachers went out on strike because their real wages had actually gone down since 2012 because of the huge escalating costs of health insurance. and then when you layer onto that that most people need some
higher education, whether it's career tech ed or whether it's college and there's now $1.4 trillion of debt that students have, and these are the kitchen table issues, you know, in addition to the tariff issues that you were just talking about in your last segment that when workers basically look at president trump and say what are you talking about, because their pocketbooks, what we are seeing is that we're not achieving a better life and that's why you see so much energy on the streets right now this labor day to try to change that. >> what do you make of people who were talking to vaughn hillyard that say i'm still supporting republican policies and the president in this. you saw an example of workers who are negatively affected by this. the president imposed tariffs on europe, europe imposed tariffs on american-made goods so now harley davidson is going to export the manufacture of some
of those motor psych -- motorcycles to other countries costing american people their jobs but they're saying i'm still sticking with him because he's making it better for us. >> i think this is a trust issue in lots of different ways. you have a lot of american workers who voted against their interests in some ways in 2016 and even beforehand because of their frustration, and they were looking for somebody who would shake the system up. look, globalization has really hurt the american worker for a long time. so has automation. what we need both in washington and, frankly, in governors is people who are willing to focus on wage increases and how you ensure that people have a better life. people want to work hard, but how you ensure people have a better life.
so things like paid family leave, things like abating student debt. all of these things would make the dollar in a wage increase go further and these are the kind of policies that one can pursue. but the biggest policy is, you know, let workers organize in a real way, not have companies try to stop it in every which way -- >> so let me ask you about this. let's just look at workers organizing. 10.7%, according to the bureau of labor statistics, you and i both like citing their numbers. 10.7% of u.s. workers are unionized. 6.5% of private sector workers are union sized. 34.4% of public sector workers are unionized. those numbers continue to go down and americans seem accepting of that. strikes aren't what they used to be, people cross picket lines more than they used to. they're more than the exception than the rule these days.
>> i think -- look, i'm not -- let me be clear to your listeners. nobody wants to go on strikes. strikes are last resorts so i don't want to romanticize strikes. but what we're seeing in the l gallup numbers is millenials see unions -- our union has grown over a hundred thousand people in the last couple of years. even with this janus decision which was ton by the right wing overturning 45 years of precedent, even this decision an everything that the right wing is throwing at us, what we're seeing is that people see the value of a union, the value of a union contract, and what they're doing is sticking with the union. if people -- bernie sanders, chuck schumer, others, have said let's have laws that will make union organizing more available, and i think you'd see a lot more people organizing. >> randi, we'll continue this
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learned from too many life lessons. when you were a kid would you bring people by the house? >> no, no one saw where i lived. i didn't want them to see what was going on. >> reporter: you were worried they would see your mom? >> i was terrified they would see mom nodding off. >> i like it because they put -- >> reporter: his mom angela started taking xanax when he was in kindergarten. once a month she would pickup a prescription. >> yes, selling them. >> reporter: his dad died of an overdose. his baby-sitter overdosed in front of him. his rebellion was being a straight-a student. >> ike, he's a trooper. that child is definitely -- he's meant to do something great. he's destined for greatness because he has crawled through a river of [ bleep ] and come out smelling like a rose. >> you just tell yourself, you know, i'm going to get to college and that's my way out. >> we need to have educated people here with new ideas to bring life back into these mountains. >> reporter: it's why ike's old
high school holds a celebration to recognize seniors committing to some kind of higher education. >> we want to make sure that we showcase the academic excellence of our students. >> reporter: and why the gear up program has attracted more than 10,000 students like ike ten poorest counties in west virginia and helping them find scholarships. and now iky is paying it forward. this summer working with students at a gear up camp at marshall university. >> these become a lesson in 3-d printing. >> reporter: thee learn about jobs of the future, build leadership skills and get a touch of campus life. >> if you're a first year generation college student raise your hand. >> reporter: and maybe most important, the chance to hear from someone whose struggles may be a lot like theirs. >> once i get to college and get that degree, no one can take that away fwr me. >> reporter: ike hoepds to graduate next year and go on to
law school. >> i plan to stay in west virginia. i feel this state has given so much to me. i have to give that back. >> kate snow joins me now. kate, we often hear stories of people whoer inspirational to others and overcome their problems and those problems are way behind them. that's not the case with iky. he's still in it. >> unfortunately there is more to the story. his grandfather is ill right now with cancer, used to work in the coal mines. he's helping to take wear of pau-pau, they call him. >> he's not finished college. >> he's not finished college. cross my fingers he will this year. but, you know what? on the positive side, this is a kid who has such ambition and that program did so much for him. he's not the only one. there's lots -- thousands and thousands of kids in west virginia benefiting from that kind of a program. unfortunately i think it's not big enough to help everyone. >> right. and as you have often reported there are solutions to the problem but we have to scale them up. >> we are going to look at part
two, another solution, drug core. a lot of places have drug courts now. in that county, boon county, will thompson is the court judge and he is a force to be reckoned with. we'll bring you his story tonight. >> thanks for doing this, kate. appreciate it. one nation overdosed. kate will bring that story of that tough remarkable judge. you can watch that tonight on "nightly news." check your local listings for details. coming up, president trump threatens to terminate nafta entirely or go it alone with mexico. we'll look at the role of canada and the risk we face in ostracizing one of our biggest trading partners. you're watching msnbc. packaging for restaurants. and we've grown substantially. so i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. that's right, $36,000. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. my unlimited 2% cash back is more than just a perk, it's our healthcare. can i say it?
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president trump state stayed in the whouts to make calls days before talks between the u.s. and canada on a new trade deal are set to resume. the president tweeted a stark warning over the weekend. there is no political necessity to keep canada in the new nafta deal. it we don't make a fair deal for the u.s. after decades of abuse, canada will be out. congress should not interfere with these negotiations or i will simply terminate nafta entirely and we will be far better off. the president may be able to terminate nafta, but the u.s. and canada will be far from better off. let's take a closer look at this. since nafta took effect in 1994, the united states has become canada's largest trading partner. canada has become america's second largest trading partner after china. almost 80% of canadian exports go to either the united states or meks coal because of nafta.
in 2017 the u.s. and canada traded $673 billion in goods and services. the u.s. had a trade surplus with canada of more than $8 billion. i don't know how the president sees this as abusive. since nafta took effect, exports of u.s. goods to canada are up 181%. service exports are up 243%. abusive much, mr. president? in addition, nearly 2 million jobs in canada are tied to canadian exports to the united states. nearly 9 million american jobs depend on trade and investment with canada. and putting this in a much wider perspective, canada is the top international destination for exports from 36 u.s. states. so, if these negotiations fail or the president pulls the plug on nafta, the impact is going to be felt on both sides of the border. that is a closer look at nafta and that bringds this hour to a close for me. thank you for watching. and enjoy the rest of your labor
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