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court to federal court, heading into the hearing before a federal judge on that removal proceeding, the contentions among legal experts is there is no way meadows himself will testify will testify at that hearing. so we're shopping with the former congressman took the stand for about four hours yesterday, opening himself up to cross-examination. there's a significant amount of legal risk involved in that decision. meadows lawyers made the calculation it was worth it, and that was because, i think, they clearly view the potential jury pool in this case is key for the clients -- if meadows successfully gets the case moved to federal court, the physical location would hardly change from a block away. the case would still be tried under georgia law. but as the washington post reports, quote, the jury pool for federal case would be composed of residents from across northern georgia, which is more politically conservative than fulton county and potentially a friendlier audience. legal analysts analyst lisa
that's what we are all thinking, right? it has been and remains to be an open question. there have been some big developments in the last few days, though. first of all, we now have a trial date. washington d.c. federal district court tanya chutkan said that trial date as march 4th, seven months before the november 2024 presidential election. it is also the day before the primaries on super tuesday. it is just two months after what the government proposed. jack smith has been clear from the start, from the day this indictment was unsealed, the case needs to go to trial as soon as possible. >> the attack on our nations capitol on january six, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy. in this case, my office will seek a speedy trial, later evidence can be tested in court and judged by a jury of citizens. >> this team argued the january trial date would vindicate the public strong interest in a speedy trial, and interest
what do you mean by that? >> brian meadows is going to ask a judge, in a written brief, to get rid of the case, eject the case because under the federal constitution and the supremacy clause clause in particular, he's gonna say that he's immune. as a federal officer acting under color of law, it's unconstitutional for a state prosecutor to go after him. and he thinks that motion has a better chance of succeeding in federal court. i agree with you that the jury pool is probably driving him as well, but i'm with you. watch the e. jean carroll case, where a juror who had minister who listened to -- a far-right podcast, or sat on that jury and yet was one of the people who agreed that donald trump had defamed e. jean carroll and sexually assaulted her. i don't think that her lawyers were convinced that that would happen when they knew that he was on a jury. and yet a group of attentive jurors from all over the new york area, not just manhattan, also found donald trump liable
with how you think about this as a judge. there's a lot of discretion given to a judge over the timing of these things. you have an unusual case here for a number of reasons, not just the ex president has been indicted, but the campaign calendar. how do you think is a fair way to evaluate a schedule, and how would you be approaching it, were you this judge? >> no trial judge with any experience who is assigned a case this, gathering this much attention, such a high profile trial, would ever do anything in a haphazard manner. so when judge chutkan came forward and said the trial date is march the 4th you better believe she gave it a lot of thought. she has experience as a public defender so she understands what defense attorneys have to deal with in terms of going through documents. but be sure, she gave a lot of deliberation to this and i bet you she consulted and may have
consulted with other judges on the bench to put together what is the fairest way for both sides understanding full well that the defense is entitled to due process, the time to put the case together. so when she came out with this, it wasn't like oh, i'll just have half of what each side wants. that didn't happen. trust me, she put in a lot of thought in coming up with this trial date. it's a date that is fine. will it change? it could. someone could get sick. things can happen. but if the data changed it's not going to be changed to two years out. >> she said this during those arguments. she said this to john laura, a very different estimate u. n. i. of the time prepare to prepare for this case. mr. trump will be treated with no more or less deference than any other defendant. harry, seemed to be flagging an issue for appeal already in this hearing. he says we will not be able to provide adequate representation
>> they'll have appeal on that, long day? >> they will. it's automatically appealable. >> so that's going to play out. now we've got the -- chesebro said i want the express service. let's deal with it. let's go right now. it's like a break dancing movie. >> i think about it as footloose. >> exactly. there's a trial set october 23rd. there are others who have also put in their sort of speedy trial applications. willis is now asking the judge in that chesebro case, the judge who has control over that, to fast-track all 19 defendants, not just chesebro, to file individual motions to sever from a larger case. what is this? >> when the dose at this trial date for chesebro last, week he said the stage for chesebro alone at this time. and fani willis is probably
and your anxiety, everything is gone. it's definitely worth trying. it is an amazing product. >> salt, we've got a few new developments out of fulton county, that's where the georgia election interference case is happening. , first attorney fani willis asked a judge to clarify if all the 19 defendants in her case, including donald trump, are set to go to trial in less than two months, after the court scheduled coup lawyer can chesebro's trial for september 23rd of this year. there's also this remarkable scene very few people saw coming yesterday, when the guy that you see there, in the graphic, not long trump, the other one, white house chief of staff testified in federal court as part of that case. mark meadows is trying to get his trial moved from state
of the time prepare to prepare for this case. mr. trump will be treated with no more or less deference than any other defendant. harry, seemed to be flagging an issue for appeal already in this hearing. he says we will not be able to provide adequate representation to a client who has been charged with serious offenses as a result of that trial date. the trial date will deny president trump the opportunity to have effective assistance of counsel in light of the enormity of this case. of course effective assistance of counsel that something you can use for a post conviction appeal. what do you think about him using that language in that context here? >> there is no doubt about it, he was already in a bit of a hole with her in this hearing. she said twice turned down the temperature and he had proffer that outlandish proposal to go two years out, so he is without doubt saying to her, you are violating the constitution, your honor. of course we will comply, but you're violating the constitution and we're going to
not only is that a closer call, factually, but it's one without any legal precedent. and i think steve jones, the judge here, is really struggling with that. >> we will get some order one way or the other. >> yes. >> they'll have appeal on that, long day? >> they will. it's automatically appealable. >> so that's going to play out. now we've got the -- chesebro said i want the express service. let's deal with it. let's go right now. it's like a break dancing movie. >> i think about it as footloose. >> exactly. there's a trial set october 23rd. there are others who have also put in their sort of speedy trial applications. willis is now asking the judge in that chesebro case, the judge who has control over that, to fast-track all 19 defendants, not just chesebro, to file individual motions to sever from a larger case. what is this? >> when the dose at this trial
do you think that's what -- driving this? >> i think partially that and also a view that to the extent that meadows has any shot at getting rid of the case on motion practice, it's going to happen in a federal court and not a state court. why? >> stop one second. what do you mean by that? >> brian meadows is going to ask a judge, in a written brief, to get rid of the case, eject the case because under the federal constitution and the supremacy clause clause in particular, he's gonna say that he's immune. as a federal officer acting under color of law, it's unconstitutional for a state prosecutor to go after him. and he thinks that motion has a better chance of succeeding in federal court. i agree with you that the jury pool is probably driving him as well, but i'm with you. watch the e. jean carroll case, where a juror who had minister who listened to -- a far-right podcast, or sat on that jury and yet was one of the people who agreed that donald trump had defamed e. jean carroll and sexually