see in kids of this developmental phase. and that speaks to what we in my profession often refer to as conduct disorder, which is the junior version of what people grow up to being the adult version of anti-social personality, there are a lot of those folks that are in prison. it starts someplace. unfortunately i think what we have is a group of kids that may be, you know, heading down that path. again, qualitatively different. right. no, i hear you. paul, here s the part that troubles me about this. they re looking for two other young kids. they had one on friday night. maybe that s the kid. maybe they re looking for a third. they re a little soft on the numbers and that s fine. they can t find this kid. that s unusual to not find a kid that age. they re vulnerable, they don t have resources and connections the way, you know, somebody who is connected to an organization or an adult might. what s your read on that? it s very, very unusual. and i have to say, chris, the picture that
us scared at the time, these were the wrong kids that they got. and one of the reasons that they were falsely convicted, of course it was color and social socioeconomic and about police and culture at that time, but kids running around the city like a pack of dogs do terrible things was real. white kids, brown kids, all kind of kids. so that fed it. chris, that takes me to you and the psychology of this. i haven t seen it since then, and once again the shock value is there. kids don t do this. adults have to form that kind of mens rea, that mental component. what do we understand from psychology? that s what s so troubling, you usually see kids engaging in property crime, you know, simple mistakes of youth. you know, shoplifting is a pretty common one, maybe some use of alcohol or some experimentation with drugs. this is embracing a different level of criminality. this is adult level aggression. the willingness to strike out against adults to go there,
well, then what is a trial? he said something different as all republicans did when they were on the other side of it. but the democrats are making a lot of same arguments, they just have a better set of facts than republicans had back in 98/ 99. well, you quoted the founders. and what the founders were most worried about and why they included the impeachment clause and the emoluments clause. we were a young democracy. we were susceptible to foreign interference and i think they were worried about that. that s why they included it. that s why they didn t make a king, they had a president. and i think that the facts in this case are really right at the heart of what they were worried about. john podesta, thank you very much for your perspective. appreciate it. thanks, chris. all right. now, what bill clinton did not have at the time of his impeachment, that was a trial stacked with a majority of jurors from his own party. remember, the republicans were in control of the senat
in this kind of partisan we got to impeach him now so he doesn t get re-elected and we call them and out and we say that they re premature and we re say that they re rude and now people like me will say, man, you were talking this people talk all through mueller, he gave you those ten counts and you don t include it? they re not even in power but they must be held to account as well. i m saying if you guys don t talk about your own, you talk about everybody else, it s just him, top. tom. you never, ever step out of line where the president is involved. what makes you think he would ever toe a line other than the one he wants to walk? well, you know, i disagree with your assessment of our actions. i ll leave that, again the record s clear. people can judge that in our own district. at the end of the day, i look at the impeachment, this is an historical vote, chris. when you talk about impeachment, when you had mr. podesta on there, the lessons of clinton president trump has
apparently, what is alleged, is with the intent to rob people as part of a group, whether it was a gang or just operating with a gang-like ethos. that s what s so disturbing. also more common for kids. kids operate more in packs. it gives them confidence. i want you to play on one other point, chris. right. let s say this kid is telling the truth. it a little convenient he touched the knife but he didn t use the knife. whatever. the idea that they passed up the guy and targeted the woman. it s still a robbery. they get her in a choke hold and it goes wrong, they stab her over a dozen times by the early reporting estimate. that s a different way to kill than pulling a trigger one, two or three times. it s up close, it s personal, it s hands on and it really speaks to a level of lacking of empathy. you know, not really caring about other people and just the level of commitment that, you re right, is qualitatively different than what we usually