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Anyway. this may be temporary. it may all explode tomorrow. but today is a different day for donald trump. >> i had the exact same reaction. it is the fact that he has for criminal cases that cannot be easy. that has to weigh on you. i think its something more. of course he wants to try his case in a place where, in the court of public opinion and not in the court of law, where facts and law matter. but there are two big things that are coming up. in the georgia case and in the d.c. case the jud...

And all the court said no. and so, here, he now has four, you know, it seems like at least for criminal cases. and his strategy is to never have a sort of trial where the public gets to see the evidence, where there is a place where facts and law matter. and he is avoiding, essentially, this sort of faulty made him go into court because he operates in this world of all spin, all what i tell you is the truth. and this is a place where so far the jury system and the judges have, you know, by and l...

Pretty significant, and it was a press presence outside the courthouse like i have never seen before. >> fascinating stuff. lets come back to the table here, andrew. lets go through the things that, you know, a lot of times, how unusual some of these things were. the fact that a trial date was set, it was discussed, is that normal for this kind of hearing? >> no. to have -- this is as glenn said, usually a pretty pro forma thing. i was, to glenns point, i had the exact same reaction. obviously, ...

Didnt, is not admissible. what is going to be admissible is what facts are there. this really goes to tims point that hes said over and over again. there are no facts. just remember to this day there are no facts. in other words, even if there were no facts then, even now theres still no facts. so at the end of the day, a criminal case is where facts and law matter. so the other point is that putting in to the grand jury people like jared kushner, everyone who was around the president, to learn ...

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There is reporting that one of his attorneys did try that and donald trump said im not interested. and thats because donald trump is really running on two different levels. one is sort of his real game here is to have a political solution where either he or another republican wins and he gets pardoned because one of the reasons that as you noted he seemed so scared in the bret baier interview is in a forum where facts and law matter, you know, he has nothing -- he cant really make any arguments ...

What is happening in terms of the concerted and outright republican effort to downplay, to trivialize what happened on january 6th and i wonder what you think the implications of this whitewashing are for the broader attempt to seek accountability. >> i think two things that you -- what happened in terms of the embracing, literally embracing the january 6th convicted defendant and what happened at waco. that is playing at a political level. but when i look at that as a former prosecutor, i see a...

The political sphere, with his base, and then in a court of law. and in a court of law, at least to date, facts and law matter. and when donald trump -- and what which i think is going to happen, on trial in connection with the january 6th events, which is leading the, which is why he is denigrating it now, because he is about to be indicted, i think, for being the leader of it -- these kinds of efforts on his part, where he is embracing it -- are an exhibit. he cant then say, i was somehow surp...

About this. there is a political angle and what will happen in a court of law. were seeing it in the e. jean carroll case where facts and law matter. so e hs putting this in a different field, and if you say its black, i say its white. i think russia is good. i dont think russia is bad. >> if youre serving our country, youre a sucker. >> exactly. it is so anti-government, anti-fact, anti-science, anti-law. but its not just because tim and i are lawyers, it is not a legal defense. >> but if its a...