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>> and what we ended up doing is the program they tried to turn off is the program that catches foreign terrorists from talking to people in the united states, helps us identify those individuals. >> and again, in talking to senior government officials this week, the way to understand these programs as they lay it out is to say, a suspected terrorist calls somebody in the united states, the way you put those two together is you have a haystack. the united states is basically every phone number t...