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>> youre right, depends on whether you like your family. keith, you just find this whole trend atrocious. right? >> well, i find it uniquely disturbing. this is a holiday always has been about family, for hundreds of years. not necessarily an american holiday, nor associated with rearview mirror its been secular for many years. and what i have a problem with is we have forgotten the reason why we got that together and that was to sort of celebrate the mutual reinforcement of family to celebrate ...