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That he was looking to appoint somebody out of the box. and bar knee frank i think picked up on that. he has created a situation here if patrick does not give it to bar knee frank the question is going to be that he has tremendous liberal based support. im not sure how much experience the government has with dealing with that demand for somebody. >> im not sure how this is playing with pa track. it is the psychology of one guy and who can get in his head. >> steve, thank you for joining me tonig...