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Hes paying 15% capital gains. its on his investments. so i think for independents that matter that verdict is still out. >> kimberly. >> listen, i gave him an a. ive been tough on romney. i wanted him to show some substance and background. i dont like people who were apologetic for going after the american dream. let him make money. we want everybody to succeed in america. he has done well for himself. >> and what kind of grade? >> the rose amongst the thorns here. shes so nice. >> i give him an...