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He would be beholden potentially in some way if he was trying to do that. and it worked out. >> you write about an i.t. guy, chief information officer at liberty university. an evangelical college in virginia who did some side work for michael cohen during the election. he expects to be paid. walk us through that story and what tells us about michael cohen and his relationship with president trump. what this i.t. guy did who works for jerry falwell jr. at liberty university is try at michael coh...

Top leaders. lets discuss now with michael who broke the story for "the wall street journal." michael dantonio is here as well. you know hes the author of "the truth about trump." happy to have both of you here, but i am sad to have you here because this story has been fascinating me all day. during the campaign you heard trump, he wasnt president trump. he was candidate trump saying the polls are rigged. now we find out cohen was trying to rig the polls in his favor. yes, they are rigged. >> in...

Lets discuss now with michael who broke the story for "the wall street journal." michael dantonio is here as well. you know hes the author of "the truth about trump." happy to have both of you here, but i am sad to have you here because this story has been fascinating me all day. during the campaign you heard trump, he wasnt president trump. he was candidate trump saying the polls are rigged. now we find out cohen was trying to rig the polls in his favor. yes, they are rigged. >> in 2014 you men...

And can you write a computer script to vote for him a ton of times and gogger tries but he doesnt make the second cut to the top 100. and as youve read, he complauns about it. >> he tries to rig other polls, right? a thing of trying to essentially conyour way into creating a grass roots love for donald trump. >> make it look like trump is more popular than he actually is. he later did well in the polls. but in this first poll in february 2015 he asks hum again just write this script and vote for...

Love the details. lets start with -- one of the things is theyre planning this in 2014/2015 to try to lay the groundwork. what kind of stuff was he up to? >> he got this john gauger, who is a tech consultant who works at liberty university run by jerry fall well jr. and had been doing minor tech tasks for cohen for years. so cohen says hey, i want you to help the boss win this cnbc poll of the most influential business people. and can you write a computer script to vote for him a ton of times an...

He did that cohen asked him to do. in 2014 there was a cnbc poll of the top business leaders in the country and went from 200 down to the top 25. cohen wanted him to make trump the greatest business leader of the century. he asked him if he could manipulate the poll by writing a computer script for trump to win. he asked him to do the same thing with the report of republican presidential candidates and again it failed because trump came in fifth in that pole of 20,000 folks. >> how did this lead...

He tells the paper his activities related to trump consisted of trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in trumps favor". the journal report "in january 2014, he asked plm trmr. trump write a computer script to repeatedly vote to mr. trump. he was unable to get mr. trump into the top 100 on this list. in 2015, mr. cohen asked him to do the same for a drudge report poll of potential candidates. mr. trump ranged fifth with about 24,000 votes. he said gauger asked him to