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Is trying to infiltrate the campaign? >> well see. theres increasingly -- this is drip, drip, drip, where theres a lot of information coming out. >> theres a lot of allegations, but youre one of the few people that met and talked with this guy. so im wondering as you see it now, maybe more information will come out, but as you see it now, did you get a sense as you look back this is a guy who is trying to weasel into the trump campaign to get documents and stuff, or if you remember any of your c...

To tie up some of the ends, but until mueller decides or announces what he has found, we really cant make any conclusions. there is a lot of investigation here that is done and a lot of questions that we have and the public has that have yet to be answered as a result of this investigation. it is now going for a year, this month. >> i want you to stand by. were also standing by to hear from abby lowell. jared kushners attorney. hes going to be joining us exclusively in a little while. but josh c...

You dont have that here because you have all your own people in charge, jim. the attorney general, head of the fbi, all the people there are your people. >> now youre filibustering. a couple things. >> go ahead. >> potential collusion is not collusion. that is my point. there is no collusion. >> there are no conclusions of collusion because the investigation is not over. but there is plenty of proof of it. i see proof as potential. i dont see dispositive crimes. >> i see no other remedy here. he...

Back this is a guy who is trying to weasel into the trump campaign to get documents and stuff, or if you remember any of your conversations, was it focused more on russia and any interactions you may have had? >> ive been shocked with some of the abuses that have happened, which i have learned about. >> you wont give your opinion one way or the other? >> i dont like to make accusations without hard facts. >> based on your personal experience, do you have a feeling? >> you know, i dont like jumpi...

Stated. can he really do that? that is one of many reasons why i believe you need this remedy, a second special counsel. >> youre not asking for anybody to look into why trump fired comey, are you? >> no, no, no. thats what -- mueller has said hes looking into possibly obstruction of justice in the firing of james comey. mueller oversees the investigation. and hes the one who wrote the memo to fire james comey. >> mueller is the one who draws the conclusions about it. thats why rosenstein is ins...

Information about the mueller probe. the president is pushing the theory that his campaign was infiltrated by a spy, by an fbi spy. how concerning is that to you? >> well, what concerns me is this sort of campaign that is being run to try and discredit the mueller probe and to discredit the justice department, the fbi and everyone involved in it. i think that what the president has decided is that he wants to make sure that whatever conclusions mueller draws, that he could paint them as politica...

Potential collusion. the things that were said, the things that were done were in bad discretion, bad choices. then you have to look at what the motivations are. we dont know the conclusions on those by this special counsel to get ahead of the conclusions is misleading. >> chris -- >> but fisa as a tool was created by congress to make sure you dont have secret surveillance. it must be vetted by a judge. so that process in and of itself is a safeguard. what i dont get about special counsel is wha...

The same thing. mike barnicle, they all, all suggested in what would become a front-page news story, that russia tried to impact the election for donald trump. and the senate again, in a bipartisan manner, the senate intel committee all said, that they were concurring with the intel communitys assessment. they had no reason to disagree with the intel communitys conclusions. and here you have someone who is supposed to be in charge of protecting our homeland, and someone who i was told actually h...

>> failing to go to wisconsin could have thrown it. we cant know that. but what we can know is this is a really dire and important moment for democracy. and we have to do our best to make sure it doesnt happen again. i dont see the evidence, given what the homeland security secretary said yesterday oh, she wasnt aware of that that they are really making sure that they wont let this happen again. >> im a he not sure what comes of good if we have a former administration official suddenly deciding ...

Like a dog with a bone for the president. infiltrating campaign. no evidence of it but talking about it saying this adds to the narrative theyve sold their base and i venture to say not just trumps base. republicans who even some who maybe didnt like president trumps style, theyre starting to look at the doj and think, is this a partisan organization? trying to take down a president that some people dont like. >> and jeff mason, when we talk about all this, were talking about these allies of the...