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The motives of our sources on this one any further than we already have in the paper. >> okay. david kirkpatrick, thank you very much for your time. it is a very in-depth interview and reporting there. and i think everyone should read that. and if i could have will put up the statement offered by donald trump jr.s lawyer. he says that his client recalls a meeting at trump tower and that he was pitched on a social media strategy but that he was not interested and that was the end of it. okay. so ...

Its all so complicated. but putting more puzzle pieces together for us. david fitzpatrick, thank you very much for joining us. let me also talk this over with juliet kayyem. shes the cnn national security analyst. former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security. juliette, what would make this second meeting at trump tower illegal? >> well, it would be whether -- two things. one is a foreign government is not allowed to engage in elections. so in and of itself, whether they got...

We were talking earlier, did senate members go out and spend time actually looking at the raw da that the raw intelligence? did they ask the same questions about the fusion cells, about who is involved? i dont know. all i can say is they reached a different conclusion than we have. we are talking art, not science, no question. these are difficult questions to explore and come to conclusions about. ill tell you this, we stand by and i stand by the conclusion that weve reached here. i am not wavin...

Steel went to the fbi, it sounds like more someone has come inside to talk to them. they would need a basis of knowledge to do that. >> lets go back. lets get the conclusions first. the conclusion is no wrongdoing. >> wrongdoing of what? >> by the president. >> who reaches that conclusion? >> the fbi. >> i do not get that at all. >> the "times" said no connection between president trump and russia. >> but based on this one narrow piece of what they were doing investigatively. not what mueller ha...

>> one year is the paper i was in robert mueller generated plenty of paper in the form of indictments, plea agreements and statements. his critics have done their best to torch it all. >> that effort is well coordinated and relentless. the question, is it working? rich lowrie, is it working? is the white house now and rudy guiliani effectively driving the discussion in framing the debate? >> certainly working among republicans. i think the effort is to soften mueller up, either to contest his wh...

Have a good relationship assuming we have the meeting. >> i have a lot fewer rebounds than dennis rodman but i did get to spend a great teal time with chairman kim. >> let the people read it for themselves and draw their own conclusions. >> some leagues hurt to hurt colleagues and use the media to schiffy each other. >> wounds to heal. >> this is what the hawaii national guard is worried about lava covering roads. >> never watch sports the same way. >> im taking the warriors plus one and a half....

>> bill: the position is clear from the white house. even if you just make a comment like that on stage in the middle of a national campaign, how does that prove collusion? >> look at the broader picture, bill. >> bill: im trying. >> the russians made multiple approaches offering information on hillary clinton. they moved mountains to take meetings where that information was being offered. the candidate goes on stage and invites more hacking and then they disseminate the hacking that occurs. im ...

That facility. >> well, i wont draw any conclusions. im sharing that information with you. too often reporters on the scene, and i dont want to be one, try to give you all the answers right away. im suring with you what we know and what we believe. >> neil: thats fine. it explain a couple of things they were confuseed about. thanks, lieutenant governor patrick. >> thank you. >> neil: thats an interesting development. if the 17-year-old had access to a trailer closer to the school than his home t...

He doesnt know that, of course, hes not inside the mueller investigation. he says weve reached points of agreement, maybe there would be an interview, we dont know if that is true. what is rudy giuliani up to if not just trying to tear down the investigation, muddy the watts so when mueller reaches his conclusions he can say its not legitimate? >> you mean by saying well rush you and our children will feed on your bones is not a legal strategy? >> yes, that kind of stuff. >> no, that really isnt...

Now, we dont know if those two things are linked. we dont know if the white house -- the white house radical policy shift against qatar was revenge by jared kushner for qatar refusing to pay up to his dad. but thats where things stood before today. now the whole deal has swung back the other way. so now you can see this dynamic at work from a whole different angle and draw your own conclusions. for whatever reason president trump and the white house more broadly, they softened their stance on qa...