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Did to conan obrien? >> he did a terrible thing to conan obrien. >> wasnt it just business, really? >> no, it wasnt business at all. did you ever read bill carters book on it? read that and figure it out for yourself. >> as a professional entertainer, isnt it the rule of the jungle if your ratings arent doing great -- >> of course. but he had made certain guarantees to conan, saying, this was your show. if i was jay leno, i would have manned up and said, listen, conan, you think youre so good, i...

Book on it? read that and figure it out for yourself. >> as a professional entertainer, isnt it the rule of the jungle if your ratings arent doing great -- >> of course. but he had made certain guarantees to conan, saying, this was your show. if i was jay leno, i would have manned up and said, listen, conan, you think youre so good, im going to go to fox network or go to abc and im going to put my show on and im going to kick your ass. thats what a man does. you dont sort of weasel your way back...