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I knew elizabeth personally from all these interactions through my family, so i really trusted her. i believed in her. i would leave the tile world thinking, oh, man, sinking ship. and i would go have one conversation with e lelizabeth - >> theranos was founded with the goal -- >> -- and i would be so motivated to go back to work and i would feel like i was changing the world again. i would go back into the tile world again and go, wait, what just happened? you wanted it to be true so badly. eve...