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Well, maybe he shouldnt keep his job. >> you think the country would be better off if lindsey graham lost his job? >> a tea party guy would come in probably. right? >> yes. >> and then a democrat would win. good. >> well, you know -- like a -- like a -- let me ask you -- >> even the most, staunchest conservative person who ever lived in the country said republicans should vote for democrats to get the country back to where it belonged and again. the dereliction of duty out of the republican part...

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>> i, um -- you are a small "c" conservative person and -- >> i am. >> a small "c" conservative person. i dont think of you as ideologically, anything. but i know you as a reserved and cautious lawyer. i hope you dont mind me saying. i did not know that i should expect you to express public opposition to whats been happening on the border. i didnt know if you would think that you would be constrained, essentially, by the fact that you held the department of homeland security job before and you d...