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Shots here. >> clearly. >> clearly. exactly. you know how these -- the border work, you know how these various measures work and how they work together. i just want to ask you as you watch it from your position and based on your experience, is it intentional on the part of the administration to make it difficult, to make it unwelcoming, to make it even dire to some degree, to know that these are the conditions youre going to face if you attempt to come here and claim asylum? >> absolutely. i mea...