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Construction techniques, new safety regimes, new electronic systems, we have a whole different ball game out there for nuclear in the future. >> let me ask you this to stay on nuclear. ive been a fan. id buy into what youre saying with more hesitancy than a month ago. we have nuclear plants in the nation that are 20, 30 years old. youre saying we decommission those and build in their place new nukes youre talking about? >> every one reaches its 30 year end of permit except for the plants that ha...

Old. youre saying we decommission those and build in their place new nukes youre talking about? >> every one reaches its 30 year end of permit except for the plants that had a 20-year extension. im suggesting, get rid of all of them, lets replace them and the efficiency of new nuclear reduces the cost to the consumer overtime. theres an upfront capital cost but will pay back over time. >> i dont want to start talking about a balance sheet and putting numbers up on the screen. everything i hear f...