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You are going to be on the debate stage next month, but whats the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because ive always known that i wasnt going to jump to the front of this pile right away. theres 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and ive done that coming from a position of a state thats a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the po...

Debate stage next month, but whats the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because ive always known that i wasnt going to jump to the front of this pile right away. theres 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and ive done that coming from a position of a state thats a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the position where my whole focus...

Debate stage next month, but whats the threshold for you? at what point does this not make sense? >> oh, this makes perfect sense to me, chris, and that is because ive always known that i wasnt going to jump to the front of this pile right away. theres 20-some people. i look at it this way, i made the playoff, all right? and ive done that coming from a position of a state thats a little, not as big as some of the ore ones and coming -- other ones and coming from the position where my whole focus...

There are big ceos about our tax plan. >> joining us now, david leonhart for "the new york times" and also joining us is brute bartlett. former assistant deputy secretary of the treasury treas president jorjts h.george h.w. truth matters." david in your recent column, you said that there should be a different name for the tax bill. you pro posed the name paul ryans 2017 tax increase on middle class families. please explain. i thought it was a tax cut. >> i dont think thats the name the senate or...