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Know, on 20th street or something. its very concrete, housing this is a run-down area. here we have builders want to come in and build on it now weve got houses there. >> i said we want to bring 10,000 people downtown and people said what are you talking about? this was the deter rated downtown. and all the sudden we got -- not all the sudden, eight years later we were on our way to 10,000 people and now its probably 20 years, 25,000. so its concrete, its real, its in your face. >> i red that yo...