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Crisp and clear concrete motive if indeed we do learn the president was involved. seems to be thats why this is crucial in understanding this. elliott williams and barbara mcquade, great to have you both. for more on how this fits into the big picture, im joined by michael isakoff, a veteran on this beat who has been digging into it. what do you make of the last 72 hours? >> look, i was really struck by giulianis correction today, amendment to his statements yesterday, that he was speaking hyp...

Giulianis correction today, amendment to his statements yesterday, that he was speaking hypothetically and not based on any conversations he had with the president. well, if hes not speaking based on conversations hes had with the client hes representing, then why are people having him on at all? >> whats he doing? >> hes only there because hes the presidents lawyer. if hes just riffing on his own, it does raise serious questions about exactly what hes doing. but look, to me, all this only under...

Weve got russian foreign minister serge lavrov, who was in the oval office for donald trump relieved he had fired jim comey because he was a nutjob. lavrovs readout of the talks is that they went "better than super." is it your assessment that the russians gamed president trump? >> well, let me say this first, i agree with john brennan that trump was outmatched in this meeting. but with regard to outgaming trump, trump just outgamed himself. hes allowed himself to be put in a compromised posit...