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>> if medicaid is the thing a that at this point we know would massively expand who is covering it, saying medicaid is broken, what is the key solution to that? >> i support giving them private insurance through the exchanges. what the arkansas model is doing is one way, its not perfect but giving people private coverage reimburses. that would give them access to primary care. >> doesnt that keep health care -- >> not necessarily. there are a lot of ways that are dysfunctional and structural. if...