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Average americans, youre salt of the earth you reflect the way americans think and i want your views. thats the way the president thinks about john kelly, but these are very technical issues. these are politically laden issues and i think kelly is going to call upon a lot of support from the white house team to get through them. >> i guess whats interesting here is and i think going back to the issue we were describing, you know, the presidents been dealing with an afghanistan review that frankl...

Now. >> well, first, john kelly is a great american. hes a great man. and i think we should note public service is really the reason he decided to go work for donald trump. hes not a democrat or a republican and hes totally apolitical. and ive had many conversations with him. and as you noted, i worked with him closely at the pent done gon. s a close personal friend. he and kaish have given every measure for our country. their son robert was of course killed in action in afghanistan. and he has ...

Hes not somebody who has a lot of relationships in the media. good, bad or indeterminate. >> sadly, thats true. >> and eats r hes not somebody that actually likes to interact with the media which im guessing nor this president might be something he appreciates. kelly odonnell, youve got a lot more to do on this, i know. in fact, go find out what the fate of sep is, if you could, would you. >> working on it. >> all right. just now another tweet by the president on this shakeup, a thank you to rei...

Alex, so im going to ask you, i think, look, secretary kelly, theres no doubt this will get good reviews. this has been a very professional guy. ive had interactions with him. hes a very impressive individual. but there is a lot of aspects of being chief of staff that hes had no experience doing. whats your quick take on this? >> well, this was not a surprise. i mean, the situation was untenable. there were effectively two chiefs of staff with the mooch -- >> on a good day there were two. >> we ...