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Republican allies and part of the reason jim jordan was moved to the house intelligence committee specifically so he could participate in these moments is because hes one of the few republican members of congress who will really go all out to defend the president. >> even he didnt do that yesterday, gene. he went into what -- and i dont blame him. its easier to mount the dont impeach him defense than it is the this was appropriate defense. >> right. because it wasnt appropriate. >> yes. >> you c...

Clean this mess up saying that they respect mccains service and that theyre praying for him. how much of this is environment? and where is it okay and when is it okay -- why would it be okay to say something like this? i dont know, does that come from the president? >> well, never. and sarah made the essential point that, remember -- >> ill ask you, because he said i like those who are not captured. thats sort of in that vein, right? go on, im sorry. >> never apologize. i think sarah made that e...

It okay -- why would it be okay to say something like this? i dont know, does that come from the president? >> well, never. and sarah made the essential point that, remember -- >> ill ask you, because he said i like those who are not captured. thats sort of in that vein, right? go on, im sorry. >> never apologize. scary made the essential point the tone is set from the top. i noticed a lot of people calling for trump to fire this aide who works on the communications shop. shes not the most senio...

Take it. it is they sent a signal saying why dont you collect more stuff like this because we think its okay to take it. >> can the white house credibly say, no, were not going to hand over e-mails and servers and cell phones and text messages if donald trump jr. says i dont want to -- im just putting out those four pages. you are not getting anything. can they credibly say that? it seems to me once these e-mails are out, it opens up the universe to all these other things. >> you cant say no to ...

Paul: right, exactly. i dont think you can say just on its face credibly say, look, i can investigate this body that i ran for 12 years. its very hard to do. >> right. the fbi is now an issue in this investigation. its not just did they use this. at one point they were trying to put christopher steele on the payroll. and the question is, why? how does, how do you go from being an opposition research person for one campaign to a paid fbi agent, fbi informant or something with information? so the ...