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Perso persona, from a company called ruben capital partners which claimed to be a firm that kind of made socially responsible investments. and my wife, who is mostly a stay at home mom, was volunteering at my daughters elementary school, public charter school in washington, d.c., and the e-mail pitch was, you know, school is great, wed love to talk to you about maybe making investments in your school. this all sounded weird, so, my wife reached out to some friends in the finance world, in the ed...

To it. >> do you suspect they were involved? >> i dont know. but i hope people ask -- i hope people ask them the question, because maybe it was just a coincidence that the exact same two people which seemed to be the kind of obsession of a handful of senior aides to the president at the very same time that this firm was hired to dig up dirt on those two people, maybe its just a coincidence, but its suspicious enough that i think people need to be asking questions. >> colin call, thank you so muc...

If you were a target, how does it feel to be in the center of this all? >> well, i athink in general, i feels creepy. when youre a government official, you expect intelligence entities to spy on you. when youre a former government official, its much weirder. it also is, you know, especially creepy with a firm and even doubly so if they are coming at you through your family. lets keep in mind, for your viewers, that they came at me through my wife doing volunteer work at my 6-year-old daughters p...

This happened. >> so, at this point, we should point out that black cube has denied involvement, and that no connection with the white house has been made, but, and this is a big but you say, again, the timing of comments made by trump officials tells you something. >> yeah, i mean, first thing, your -- the folks watching should know that the black cube denial is not really a denial. they said, they dont talk about who hires them. but they, you know, they werent hired by the trump administration...

Deal. he joins me now. so, colin, can you just walk us through exactly what happened? because from what i understand, you were a target of this operation through some kind of a company trying to get at you through your wife? >> yeah, its very odd. lets back up just a bit. about a week ago, i was contacted by reporters from the observer and guardian, who said that in the course of their investigation into cambridge analytica, they came across information suggesting that trump aides had hired an i...