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You because you both are professional pilots, you both are experienced, you both have been at the helm of these types of jet liners. we wanted to find out where you sit on some of these things. so colonel field, lets start with you. what is your take, that it was someone or something that doomed thisly if the? >> well, i havent ruled out mechanical failure of some sort entirely but thats only about 10%. i think most of the evidence that we can -- we can believe right now, and theres a plethora o...