is it sitting in rikers island for the devoted work that he did for the trump family for years and years. but explain to our audience ho significant the split betwee donald trump and michael cohen was? michael cohen was at trump's a true ride or die for years >> well, i think michael cohen was a fixed fixer. he handled front and dirty wor for trump, i do not think he was involved in deals an accounting, and some of th finer points of how the trum organization moved through the tar pit that it existed in that prosecutors are going t be interested in but michael cohen has evidence i think everyone talks about whether or not his testimony i reliable, michael cohe recorded some of his
today's evidence is that tha includes trump as well >> let's take a look at what fox news had to say tonight. >> the rule of law appears t be suspended tonight, not just for trump, but for anyone wh would consider voting for him. >> clearly, bragg has political agenda, justice is not blind in new york city and other, words show me the man and guess what, i will fin the crime. and that was the mantra of the former soviet union. >> you cannot then have eigh years of this. if you had eight years of this you do not get the country back this is lawfare, and the republicans have to wake up an fight fire with fire >> michael >> please don't ask me about that level of dame please don't seriously. >> ready >> that ignorance, leave tha ignorance in the ether we all know what it is, they are not talking to us. they're not talking to
provide more evidence and to possibly flip in a mor substantial way against donald trump. i have to believe that allen weisselberg's evidence a testimony are going to b central to the indictment when it is unveiled, but that i just speculation on my part. >> simone, you have been par of presidential campaigns. >> i was literally jus thinking, i could not imagin -- donald trump is a candidate fo president right now. the first republican debate is at the end of august i was literally sitting here thinking about the fact that i could imagine, i have no spoken to rashida jones abou this today, but if either on of us got indicted today, mayb arraignment out and happened yet, we probably would not b sitting in the chair tonight i know i would not be on tv. so this creates a very interesting conundrum becaus voters are, i talked to some folks on my show this weeken
arraignment will be handled, i am sure he will get to special treatment. nonetheless, this is humiliating for anyone who has to go through it and donal trump is about to go through a public humiliation i do not know what the lon term consequences of this are. i think until we see the indictment, and get a fuller and more fulsome sense of what artillery alvin bragg and th grand jury, who heard this evidence have lined up, we wil not know the full force of it. but it is obviously a momentou moment for him in his family and his legal travails are not over there are three other majo suits at play, or you know investigations and lawsuits of foot that are very threatening >> a quick correction, i misspoke tissue james, new york attorne general. tim, you just said that donald trump does not want to do that humiliating perp walk. do you not by this line that w have been hearing from his camp, that he wants to do this publicly, he wants the america
>> you are a nerd. i cannot leave you just such a or vanishing chas. i actually sherpa that conversationalist our. >> i'm not a criminal defens lawyer, even a criminal fo over 30, years i know th difference between lawyers who get into granular details. buildup cases, fact by fact an then corroborate facts with document with text messages an told wrinkles, and the surround every fact with a corroboration an documentation. nobody out,. they're not one talking head not it with all due respect, n the detail case that they have built up over all of this time and i hear talking heads speculating. oh, this case is weak. how do you know it is week i you do not know what their evidence is? why doesn't everybody keep their patter dry, donald trump is innocent until proven guilty but wait for these prosecutors to show what they have and d
one has seen the indictment. we have no idea what the charges being brought agains him are, what the evidence the have is, and so that is why think it is premature when you are seeing many of president trump's allies on the righ come out and attack th prosecutor because we just d not know what the case looks like i think the same could be said to those celebrating it. we have no idea how strong o weak maybe only time will tell as we lear more about what this indictmen looks like >> of course, we do not know what any of it is. however, there is a period o time in your life where, i a guessing, that when you decide to go work out of the whit house, that was a probably one of the greatest honors of your life, i am guessing you on som level revered and admired, voted for donald trump think about where you were then, how you felt about him, an what you are thinking tonigh when, yes, we do not know what is in the sealed indictment,
but we know this is the firs time in u.s. history that former u.s. president has been indicted >> definitely, it is a sombe day for our country. no doubt that this is the firs time that former president i being criminally charged as you mentioned, i worked for donald trump and i was proud t serve in the trump administration, and it was a honor to get to serve th american people. but, i think this case i probably the least damning o the investigations that he doe face i will say that, for allen bragg to bring this case against, him they must have strong evidence because if you are going to open pandora's box, then you need to make sure tha you have a strong case against him, or you risk trump becomin a martyr and this case looking politically motivated. i do think that it is a somber day that we are seeing a forme president criminally charged but it is a reminder that no one is above the law >> it might seem less seriou
conversations with trump there is at least one that has come public in which donal trump is saying to michael cohen, go to allen, in reference of allen weisselberg and take care of this. and it was about the payment to stormy daniels. so there are recordings of donald trump not being a bystander to any of this, bu being an architect of th scheme and i suspect, as lanny davi mentioned earlier, that alvi bragg has been methodicall building a lot of othe evidence around this, some o which andrews on michael cohen some of which will hinge o allen weisselberg. i think allen weisselberg is far more dangerous to donald trump than michael cohen allen weisselberg was fred trump's accountant donald inherited him and mad him a cfo. he is the crypt keeper of al the financial dealings of th trump organization, going back to the 1970s so, depending on how chronologically deep alvin bragg wanted to go and how man
different fact patterns an streams of evidence he wants t bring in this case, alle weisselberg's a rich wealth to and allen weisselberg have every reason to cooperate at this point because he is a older man and i do not think h wants to spend any more time i prison then he has to. >> you could have said six months ago that he is an older man, he is in the last cor tile of his life, he i certainly not going to go to rikers island for anyone, bu he is there right now tonight. >> right, but he is there unde the threat of his sentence being extended if the da does not tell th court that he does not fully cooperate. he's not been sitting there fo the jailed open, he has been sitting there waiting to see i the courts are going to reduce his sentence for being a goo participant in thi investigation. and i think that provides ever reason for him to want t
tonight is ron hillier he has been closely covering the former president for us. then on, it was just the other day that the former presiden had said that hewitt heard you are a pretty good guy, and the while spending one-on-one time with you he said, not so much >> unfortunately i think i asked the questions that wer not appealing to the forme president. i would still like to thin that i am still a good guy that i'm a nice enough guy, bu for donald trump i think thi is the issue here, stephanie that folks, at one, time suggested that 2016, even 2017 that he would like to get in the mud and go back and fort with the press i want to be very clear, there is no evidence over the last two years that donald trum wants to take a seriou legitimate, pointed question here he is not on a televisio interview with a non right-win outlet since he left the presidency here. that includes about th investigations, and that is wh the questions that i did posed to him or important, attempted