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Fraud, theyre both charged with it. but its for manaforts bank fraud charges that continued up and through last year. you referenced those loans. >> lets put that on the screen so that we can digest. here you have april 2016 to january 2017 when mana ford worked on the trump campaign and gates on the transition. >> there are a couple of things to me that are worth mentioning. this is turning the screws on manafort perhaps more than gates. because theres no additional money thats going to gaelt t...

Of it started before he even met donald trump on the came pain with greed. >> we know this started in 2006 and he sort of changed his business model, so to speak to apparently a criminal enterprise in a pretty substantial way and that grew. when we speak about this inde indebtedness do not relate to donald trump. he is clearly financially indebted himself to russian banks and his business, as eric trump bragged in 2014, that they get all their money and financing from russians. so i think thats ...

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Criminal mind to getting away with it. >> over in russia. >> perhaps. i dont know how much hes indebted to them as much as he got a lot of money from them. but then what this indictment reveals is, and it says it a couple of times, when the ukrainian money started drying up, then he had to lever down on his homes. >> first it was greed, then it was desperation. i mean speak to that point point, maya, too much money, it aint enough money. >> it wouldnt have happened and what conduct, right? >> th...

July 16 and november 17. what does this tell you? >> it could tell you a lot. you know, im an expert on the kremlin and how they view the world. what i would like really like to know if i were investigating this is who specifically was responsible for changing the platform? and what were the discussions that went into it? and thats open for a lot of investigation and discussion, for sure. i would also argue that the policy that we have not pursued against russia is evidence of itself. we havent ...

Conduct whereas hes not going to be -- it could have been that vanderswan just admitted to the prosecutors because he was forced to admit all these conduct to them, that was forced to get a guilty plea. on the other hand, gates could be providing information to mueller -- >> and that could be part of it. and let me bring in maya on the conversation, mueller is vacuuming stuff up from everywhere. garrett graff says, again, the detail in this new manafort is stunning, including manaforts private c...

More on this breaking news, bob mueller ramping up the charges on paul manafort and rick gates. many surrounding their work with the russian government. i am joined by a very special guest, the former fbi station chief daniel hoffman. i want to dig in with you on what all this means because theres a narrative in this new filing and were all just digesting it. it really goes back to paul manaforts work with russian backed and other individuals. manafort and gates generated -- hide the income from...

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What you think as someone who used to put people away. i asked a very simple question, i cant believe that in this case an accused criminal returned to the scene of the crime. im not a very experienced lawyer, but i have heard dont do that. and this person said to me, you would be amazed how many crimes are caught because of the sheer stupidity of people who know better. do you see that? and are there people who are talking as if muellers not listening? >> particularly with manafort, greed is ad...