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That are trying to do the right thing. and to create the standards that lift the country up as a whole. i think that that is the right federal role. and this infrastructure framework contains the dollars do just that. >> and how do we encourage good clean behavior knowing what an influence we have over it? >> i think good policy means not so much less growth, but more growth but having it be cleaner. no reason why driving has to be bad for the environment. but we need to make sure that there are...