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Would i stop it? i havent done anything wrong." so that slow-roll glacier move that you said the democrats might be doing then suddenly get stymied. like, "oh, wait, we meet its going to go on? we actually have to do this now?" >> emily: i think it was part of the argument, 35 days into this all of the sudden we are receiving some structure. it did go into the g.o.p. argument, why did this happen in the beginning? too little, too late. >> harris: representative eric swalwell was vocal on this ye...

Coming from. >> emily: if this moved any faster than glacial, i think we would all be pleasantly surprised. but i personally dont have any faith that it will. if i could just point out what i see is problematic in these new rules, we know that the house intelligence committee essentially has all the muscle, right? when it comes to the judiciary committee, jerry nadler not only has the ability to deny the request for witnesses and attorneys, but also impose when he feels is appropriate remedies i...

>> i think they are complicit in working with the whistleblower to come forward with this complaint and start this entire impeachment inquiry. i think thats why adam schiff is so protective of the whistleblower, because he is concerned about the truth that will come out if we get access to him. >> melissa: leslie, what do you think? >> leslie: i dont feel that we had all, i disagree. i think protection of the whistleblower instantly because they feel the individual, perhaps family members, would...

You keep their identity secret, precisely because revealing their identity would defeat the whole purpose of the whistleblower act. >> harris: republicans say they didnt ask for the identity of this person. democrats say they did, and there ensued that argument that melissa was talking about. the comes out in testimony, is that different from it leaking? and oh, by the way, who thinks it would not leak? >> tom: i agree with that point. yes, thats inherent in the nature of the process. if you are...

That he struggled to identify exactly where, and then what exactly was omitted? what was mischaracterized? we need that specificity for the average american to understand whats going on. at this point we are simply being led along without knowing the truth. >> leslie: my understanding from the allegation is that the allegation as there are specifi. whether or not the ukrainian president about burisma as a corporation, and the president talking about former vice president joe biden when he was vi...

And the whole thing was a demand. >> emily: fascinating, right? to hear about struggle. also, in terms of that transparency, theyre hearing all this reported in bits and pieces. the average american citizen heres the opening statements essentially from both sides over and over again, and then piecemeal these little details about what happened inside. i agree with you that it will be refreshing and very persuasive for everyone the more information that they are exposed to. in the interim, its dif...

And they treat government shutdowns like a tool rather than the impact on american citizens lives that it is. >> harris: that is such a delicious point. remember, there was the schumer shutdown first. all right, we will move on. joe biden has one reason why he says hes getting beat up in the democratic presidential race, as he slides to third place in a new poll. we will get into it. ♪ fine, no one leaves the table until your finished.

And proceeding progresses to a new stage, a public stage, where will there will be a spotlight. i expect is this thing moves forward and legislators ask questions of witnesses in front of cameras that we will see a lot more of these battles, these accusations, the sort of bickering is going to continue. >> melissa: emily, i am relying on catherine herridges reporting, here. she says -- this is the point of what shes hearing in one of these arguments, when the vindman prepared remarks -- in his p...