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As sony. they acted perfectly rationally. if you are them. the rest of us have to live with the consequences. i think we dont have a good notion of how to both defend ourselves against cyberattacks and, not just the u.s. government. it is obviously private industry. as well as how to respond. so when people talk about warfare, what does that mean? how are we actually supposed to respond? and its -- it is a new era in this regard. >> kevin, to you now. u.s. investigators learned the hackers stole...