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Ukrainian oligarch with ties to the russian mob, so they were, i think, trying to effectuate this really corrupt trade where they would get information from this ukrainian oligarch, manufactured dirt about joe biden thats not true, supply it to rudy giuliani who would supply it to the president of the united states, and in return, they were going to try to deliver for this ukrainian oligarch who is under indictment some kind of dismissal from the justice department or some kind of way for him to...

Before the american people, does that convince some of the republicans and some of these people who are on the fence that this was, in fact, the quid pro quo, the kind of real abuse of power, that a lot of people think that it was? >> mieke eoyang, thank you for joining us to start the discussion tonight. heidi przybyla, thank you for joining us with your breaking news reporting. really important to get us started tonight. and jonathan, please stick around with us. when we come back, two frien...

Statement that rudy giulianis not welcome here anymore. >> yeah, well, first of all, mimis exactly right. it was the justice department implicitly confirming what they cant explicitly say which is that rudy giuliani is the subject of an investigation. they cant say that because their rules prohibit them from saying that but theyre letting everyone know thats why they wouldnt have taken this meeting. i think the problem for the department in taking this meeting in the first place, rudy is a walki...

The mueller report, parnas posted this victory photo with rudy giuliani and trumps personal attorney jay sekulow at a celebratory dinner. joining our discussion now, mimi rocah, former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york and matt miller, a former spokesman for attorney general eric holder. they are both msnbc contributors. mimi, i am fascinated by the compartmentalization apparently of the knowledge that rudy giuliani and his friends were under investigation. so, we have...

Separate articles of impeachment? >> we do know, lawrence, that right now, she wants a simple article with an umbrella being abuse of power and underneath that, everything that happened with regards to ukraine which includes that phone call. it includes the reports about a quid pro quo about the military aid, includes pushing aside the former ambassador of ukraine in order to install the presidents handpicked confidants who ref referred to themselves as the three amigos which helped push the ukr...

>> and, matt, if they are closely connected with kind of deadly russian gangsters, that might make them very inhibited if the federal prosecutors are trying to get some cooperation out of them. >> yeah, it certainly might. look, i think the story that is going to start to emerge here is if they were working for rudy giuliani, for donald trump, they werent being paid because we know donald trump wasnt paying rudy giuliani. hes working on his behalf for free. what i think they were really doing is...

Have worked with rudy giuliani were described by their lawyer as members of donald trumps legal team. they have also been described as alleged criminals working for russian gangsters, and they are actually currently indicted. former justice department official matt miller will join us to connect those dots along with former federal prosecutor mimi rocah, next. at bayer, we create medicine that treats

Say had we known that giulianis associates were under investigation, we wouldnt have met with giuliani. those two things dont necessarily follow. if associates of mine, and im a defense attorney, are under investigation, but i, you know, have nothing to do with that investigation, that doesnt -- theres no reason why i couldnt get a meeting with the department of justice. its only if that investigation has to do with me. and, remember, the southern district, the department of justice, has never o...

The narrative of abuse of power, the speakers office did caution me that the actual legal drafting of articles has not begun because they havent collected all of the evidence yet and all the information but historically what would happen is that all of the committees would send in their best information. jerry nadler has called on all committees to send their best information to judiciary which would then be tasked with drawing up specific articles. but make no mistake, the speaker is going to b...

Doing a great job for years now of gathering us together to laugh about donald trump and the goofier drup gets, t onald trume goofier donald trump gets the more dangerous he becomes because hes president. it is well documented thatpresi. it is well documented that donald trump is the laziest president in history and also the most ignorant president in history. and he absolutely doesnt care about details. to compound the danger, all of that is also true of his white house staff. thats why donald ...