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Intent. but how much does that help if he personally was secretive about packing the documents. and its clear, look, this is his doing. >> reporter: again, if he was doing it the whole thing -- one thing about donald trump is he has been secretive his whole life. this was a guy who was a businessman, didnt email, didnt text. so if he is just secret as a matter of course, that actually helps him legally. but if theres evidence that he says i didnt want mueller to see these documents, or i didnt w...

Before, the seriousness has sunk in to the president and those around him he needs outside counsel and begin to make credible remarks. this defense so far try to normalize misbehavior, exactly the wrong strategy. >> peter, the fact ambassador sondland didnt text back, right? talked about the texts. didnt text back five hours and found out part of that gap in time picks up the phone and calls the president. what do you think of that? >> i moean, his text means its something certainly crafted by t...