about, is that there s a lot of evidence ukrainian officials were impressed by obama administration officials to do investigations that would be helpful to clinton and harmful to the trump campaign. you don t have to take my word for it. there is a ukrainian court decision in december of 2018 that found that two ukrainian officials, a legislator and the head of the anticorruption police, meddled in the american election. and there is a lot of evidence that you had ukrainian officials who were very openly pro-clinton and anti-trump. this isn t stuff that is pulled out of the sky. it s a difference theory, and she suggested that because the one theory she talked about had been debunked,s have been debunked. that s simply not true. bill: thank you, andy. ken starr, your reaction on that? how do you evaluate it legally? i completely agree with what anand he just very astute