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That both the house and the senate, republican-lead we should point out, want to bring michael cohen out. one of the questions that they would like to ask michael cohen is was he instructed to lie or to cover anything up. and the question out there is did the white house -- what did the white house know? could the white house have in any way been involved in that? those hearings questioning some of these folks are going to be fascinating, david. >> right. and politically charged as well, even af...