margin. number nine 10 11 in the polls. he has to be in the top 10 to get into the debate. i think he s going to try to break through jason in new hampshire. he s got to do it in new hampshire. he s probably going to do well in new hampshire. on the air up there in new hampshire. i think he s got a breakthrough with jeb bush chris christie marco rubio, scott walker. those are the people he doesn t have walker and rubio s youth. he doesn t have bush s name recognition and money but those are the guys he s got to compete with. and so you agree with that mary? yeah. he s going to run as a reform governor from the swing state. somebody who, as joe said reaches across the aisle. he s got some tough competition in bush and particularly in walker who made more of a national lead for himself. kasich doesn t have the name recognition yet. that s an issue. if he did have more name