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Marriage for generations to come. >> every time the supreme court makes a constitutional decision, its making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. weve done that with race, weve done that with women, weve done that with every discriminated class. >> its difficult for americans and our public policy and our culture to emphasize the fact that mothers and fathers are necessary when the law says theyre optional. >> joining me to talk about it, ry...

Thats the garden where kerry walked karzai around and around and around the garden until he persuaded him, that it was in his interests to do something about it and not to let that fraudulent election result stand. its a pretty good relationship, it is kerry that has had the relationship in the past with karzai. has been the mediator or the int interlockutor. the best person to get karzai on the same page. >> there seems to be a rhetorical contrast between what we saw with secretary of state ker...

Color-blind it cant be gender-blind. thats why the fundamental right to marriage is the fundamental right of a man and woman to join together as husband and wife. but thats not the same thing for a same-sex relationship. you can be for it or against it, but its not a marriage. >> ryan anderson of heritage foundation, thank you for taking the time. >> sure thing. >> my colleague "washington post" editorial writer and msnbc contributor, jonathan capehart. i know you were listening there. i wrote s...