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That most excited about macaroni and cheese. tell us how we can all eat macaroni and cheese and be happy about it? >> who doesnt love mac and cheese. muffins. i use whole wheat macaroni in from. we are using a little bit of oil and a little bit of flower to make your base. but its amazing because for two of these its only 145 carolinas for two mac and cheese muffins. built in control. we can go out of hand with the mac and cheese this with the soup is under 400 carolinas for lunch. if you were i...

North pole today. hes joinings from atlanta. >> gretchen: merry christmas. >> steve: straight ahead, hes an american and a christian pastor. so why is he sitting hyped bars in iran when he hasnt been charged with anything? is that story is coming up. >> gretchen: who doesnt love mac and cheese? now you can enjoy this christmas without feeling all the guilt. well tell you which one is better. eat this, not that. i love these cookbooks and they keep coming out with more. theyre coming up. [ both ]...

>> steve: mac and cheese, you can make a skinnier version. then when it comes to, for instance -- chris, come here and look at the cheesecake. >> bluebury cheesecake. a brick on the table at every single holiday table. 990 calories. 44 grams of saturated fat. >> steve: how do you cut the calories? >> we used low fat cream cheese. ricotta and a wild blueberry sauce you make. youll save 600-calories with this one recipe swap. >> steve: something else i have loved is chicken pot pies. that has a lo...