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Doesnt up and. now they moved on to plan b or c, which is using a lot of force for coercive purposes and inflict pain. but it is unclear what kind of goal you can achieve with that. how you can switch that to achieving political aims. we know putin had ambitious political goals, which are difficult achieve with force. clearly, theres momentum and then our show here, and hes gonna keep using force until he tries to get some kind of concession, or the his military can advance any further. >> john,...

He no longer believes that he can take kyiv to a conventional military invasion. hes going to move toward a genocidal strategy in which he attacks and kills as many civilians as possible. >> all right, the typical view of putin is a tyrants. but i want you to tell us the view from 30,000 feet. separate the grandeur with politics. why does russia believe that they can take control of ukraine? >> its a difficult question to answer. but i think this is mostly about trying to change ukraine s politi...