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Himself, think id hire a new lawyer. >> doesnt seem to be selling to senator grassley. >> no, doesnt seem to have made the sale. you know, this is -- if youre a lawyer, if you do this stuff, if dohis stuff pretty regularly, if youve watched it for years on the judiciary committee like chairman grassley has, this is a little bit -- i dont know how to say it any other way, this is bizarro law, not real law. >> do you anticipate -- can you anticipate a world in which they actually this? part of wha...

Kinds of claims being made, even if not in the commission of acts. he is not actually pardoning himself in this sort of general conceptual sense? >> its probably the kind of thing we should look into. im hoping that there will be some hearings on this so we can explore it a little bit. but it just seems, again, what i said before, this is not regular law. this is sort of bizarro law. if his lawyers really believed all this stuff, why werent they saying it a year ago? i think we have kind of squi...