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Rights issue at pretty good length. he went on to say, relatively speaking compared to denuclearization, all the murders and stuff, not so much. the president said well be doing something on it but he didnt elaborate. gene cummings is with us. what do we know about the plight of his people? >> we dont know a whole lot because -- >> shep: was our description generally speaking accurate? >> from what we know. we know from defectors what the conditions are over there. the number of defectors in the...