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And certainly a possibility that it was criminal, yes. >> to move on to another individual we didnt hear a lot about until these investigations kicked into gear, lawyer john eastman. he helped draft a plan for then vice president mike pence to interrupt vote certification. why would a lawyer worry about incriminating himself if hes just crafting legal strategies? >> because maybe hes doing more than that. thats one reason why he might not have attorney/client privilege. if you were engaging with...