what financing? well, i ll have to pay him something. pay with cash no, no, no. i got check. you hear the president saying i ll pay cash. and cohen says no, no, no. and then the word check. what the other side says. this is what primeau says. you see it on your screen right now. this is how he believes he recognizes the sound. rudy giuliani, i told him what your findings were, and he had a response. and i want to put that up for the audience, please. we had it written up in the interest of fairness. dueling experts can come to different conclusions. in context, using cash would make no sense because the transaction is between corporations. now, i want to remind you of the transcript as they believe it. put that up for the audience. i will get that and we will put it up for you because the key part is they believe the trump the president says do not pay
what do you think trump says about cash? i m hearing the words so we will pay with cash or so i will pay with cash. then cohen comes back with the no, no, no, right after that. so that s how you believe that you hear it. so trump s lawyer, rudy giuliani, says, well, dueling experts can come to different conclusions. how do you see this tape complicating the legal matters for trump s team? the fact is, it doesn t much matter whether it was cash or check. giuliani is saying the fact that trump wanted it paid by check means he has nothing to hide and that he is not it s exculpatory. this is not exculpatory. it gives prosecutors an inside view into the mind of candidate trump at the time. in the beginning of that tape, they are talking about releasing the divorce papers of ivana and
with cash. now, let s be fair. rudy s right. dueling experts i ve been in so many cases and so have you where experts come to different conclusions and the jury has to avail themselves of a lot of argument about context and what makes sense. is it fair to argue in this case that someone equally qualified to you, mr. primeau, could hear it and say eh, could be, do not pay with cash. it s fair to say that, chris. and if you consider the fact that there s two people talking, they re different proximities away from the recorder. when i listened to this key part of conversation, i can hear the words consistently which i believe president trump is saying at a certain distance. so it s the same level. it s the same amplitude. when you hear cohen speak, he s a little bit louder and he s more dominant with the conversation. i used a key tool, an izotope
if the jury is allowed to hear trayvon martin basically begging for his life, it s going to be real clear who the true victim was here. correspondingly, if the jury hears that expert testimony hear george zimmerman say these shall be that s going to sound like a self-appointed vigilante and executioner. yet, the jury would still have to believe it, would still have to believe this audio analysis. so does this become a very important case of dueling experts if it s allowed in? exactly as you describe it. dueling experts. no doubt there s going to be controversy today, but what judges often do in a situation like this is they say might determine this is obviously critical evidence one way or the other. if you allow the state to put in their evidence through their expert, then the defense is going to have every opportunity to rebut it, either with experts that disagree, that say, for example, that wasn t the voice of trayvon martin, or who simply attack the foundation of the prose
that if we take the right policy steps, if we re doing the right thing, then the politics will follow. and my mind hasn t changed on that. jeff mason, reuters. where s jeff? right here. thank you, sir. my question is about syria. did president putin of russia indicate any desire on russia s part for assad to step down or to leave power? and did you make any tangible progress in your meetings with him or with chinese president hu in finding a way to stop the bloodshed there? thank you. well, these were major topics of conversations in both meetings. and anybody who s seen scenes of what s happening in syria i think recognizes that the violence is completely out of hand, that civilians are being targeted, and that assad has lost legitimacy. and, you know, when you massacre your own citizens in the ways that we ve seen, it is impossible to conceive of a orderly political transition that leaves assad in power. now, that doesn t mean that that process of political transition i