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Unconsciousness. trump now the latest person to be charged for actions related to january 6th. and i just wonder what sort of abuzz was, and make of the fact that the judges wanted to be there? >> yeah. i think thats a really important point, chris, because i think that is very rare to see in courts. there is a dynamic that we sometimes jokingly call the law olympics if theres a big case going on, all the clerks and all the, you know, eager beavers want to look at it and see, but having judges c...

Been able to build his court appearances into his campaign overall. they have a well oiled machine now. the other dynamic that ive been fascinated by the last two hearings has been the presence of jack smith in the courtroom with donald trump. and this room, only about 15 feet apart at an angle where they couldnt help but see each other. as best i could tell, donald trump looked at smith once and for the ref of the time he was in the courtroom, he did everything he could to avoid meeting his gaz...

Those who have really broken up with trump have been ostracized from the party, almost completely. so, yes that is the dynamic, theres a lot of republicans who talked on the hill wish they would change that, wish that the hold he has over the base would break. but weve not seen any evidence that that is going to happen and, you know, perhaps it still could at some point. but, we havent seen evidence that it is trending towards that. >> we may start to see lawmakers start to campaign for the idea...

That this indictment or potential trials could have on him, but right now, hes miles ahead of his other challengers. but you served in the bush administration. you served for trump. your lifelong republican. what does it say about the republican party that he is doing so well right now in the polls? >> actually, you know, i think a lot of those polls are misleading. i think before the indictment by bragg, he was hemorrhaging support. his numbers were dropping very quickly and desantis was going ...

Call he had where it says trump berated him for not going along with efforts to reject the election, telling him quote, youre too honest. and also going after trump calling him a person who relied on a bunch of crack pot lawyers. so hes speaking out in a way he hasnt before. what do you think about the way hes handling this? >> i think its finally happening. he needs to be separating himself from trump. i think hes right to run with that. i think wear that as a badge of honor to be called too ho...

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At everyone except jack smith, who made a point -- i think they probably made eye contact right as trump entered the room and thennt after that, smith made a point tot, look at donald trump. donald trump made a point to look everywhere in the room except at jack smith. watching the dynamic between those two men kind of at the center of the drama has fascinating to me.am when donald trump left the room, smith made ahe point to go arou and shake hands, clap the shoulders ofd junior members o his t...

Courtroom, and donald trump has gotten much more comfortable in this situation. in new york, he was sort of visibly nervous, he was tight, hunched over. he didnt look around the room. that was not the case today. whats been so unusual, i mean, just the sheer bizarreness of what were talking about here, a third arraignment for a former president, is starting to feel at least a little bit routine for the person being arraigned. so all of that struck me about the power dynamic, and the jack smith e...

He had not had coattails in 1972. and many of them felt he had lied to them personally. so there was not a lot of love lost. the decision they made to walk away from him was made easier by the tapes, but they had already been edging away from him. >> right. >> with donald trump you see a party that is captured by him and many republicans on the hill feel they owe their seats to donald trump. so i think it makes the dynamic quite can different and it makes it harder for them to distance themselve...