side might burn a strike on the lawyer because both sides really face a risk in having a lawyer. it's almost as if they're trying the case to two people. i'm sure there are other strong personalities, but both sides want someone -- you want to be able to explain to your jury what the case is about. you don't want the lawyer on the jury explaining to the other jurors what it's about. it's risky. the foreperson is not a lawyer, so that might make the deliberation more thorough and broad, but it's always a risk, and so it's very interesting. maybe it helps trump's team because you want -- you want a wild card. i'm not convinced that -- i find it hard to believe that he's going to be found not guilty on all 34 counts, so it's a win for the defense if there's a hung jury, and so you want some wild card, you want some fireworks in the deliberation, and maybe if there's a couple of lawyers in there, maybe that's the angle the trump team is taking. >> let me go back to what we might be seeing starting on

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