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Sort of -- the growth of something like this as a culture? >> it takes time to do this. and at least in the kay of mayo, our physicians and all staff are on a salary. and so whether they come to a meeting or dont come to a meeting, it does not impact their personal income. so from that perspective, we find people are much more collaborative if theres no economic detriment to them participating. the possibility of producing this sort of organization is certainly there. >> again, amazing things fr...