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If you are going to flip, you do it. now, i think we have the graphic of all the mugshots that we have an all the people who have been booked in this case. right? the question is, how -- will we know if someone is becoming a co-operator? are there external signs we should look for in terms of their the heavier, their meetings, their itineraries, if you will? >> i think there might be some signs. obviously, if a plea is entered, or a conditional plea is, that is something that would happen have t...

Not giving a defendant a speedy trial. but it could prejudice the government. when >> gwen, when we talk about just the volume of codefendants in this -- there are, i believe, 18, and the former president -- the expectation has been that that number is going to get trimmed, whether maybe because kenneth chesebros trial is one of, or someone flips. and i would love to get your thoughts on potentially moving some of these codefendants into the cooperating witness category. we were talking with and...

>> without surprise you if that were the case? >> no. i think that if mark meadows is smart, he will flip. because he needs to, honestly. he was at the center of a lot of what these indictments are, whether it is the classified documents, case whether it is january 6th, these fake electors scheme -- he was there and present. and so i think that he knows a lot. trump world should be really worried if he is cooperating, whether that is with the doj or in this fulton county, georgia case. and so, o...

A co-operator. hes had his own federal exposure, his own state exposure. whats going on? whereas mark meadows? >> hey, katie, you know the first thing i read was the actual coconspirator the -- i didnt read any description of mark meadows. i believe that he is probably, i think hes a massive part of this investigation. especially if he gave up his emails, which we saw a lot of, that also. i think people need to go back and read, it wasnt over 200-page violent by the january six committee concern...

Person trump leaned on to hear a legal advice from. and labeling meadows as a, quote, ringleader, adding his response from, meadows calling it useless, uninformed by facts, speculation. so, katie, where is mark meadows in this latest indictment? is he a co-operator? do we know? >> ive always said he is cooperating with the government. and part of this hes been laying so low, like completely low profile, he has not been out there. hes been parroting trump talking points that the trump acolytes an...

That superseding indictment is that trump employee for. for those of us who have been closing covering this closely, its the i t employee in charge of all of that. he was the one that carlos de oliveira allegedly went to after had to ask about to leading a server for the boss. is it clear to you that he is gotten a target letters we are told, part of the new charges are based on what he was told by the investigators. do you think hes cooperating with them? >> yes or he is just testifying as he s...

It may very well be that mark meadows has entered into a contractual agreement with the government to become a co-operator. maybe he has not entered his guilty plea yet, maybe he has. i still find it very curious that we do not have any marquee names that have flipped. that is unusual it. leads me to conclude the perhaps, jack smith is keeping his powder dry and we are going to see a sizeable january 6th indictment very soon. i still find it a curiosity. >> it would be phenomenal if mark meadows...

Crime as the success. there is no question from what we are reading that that is what the evidence is going to show, that there was an attempt. it is a question of nauta being the one that i would really want to flip. he had the direct conversation with trump. he can say that trump said to me, and when i went down to talk to de oliveira, i said to him that the cost -- the boss, and he knew exactly who i meant, donald trump. he is the one who is really important. de oliveira really puts their scr...

Mr. de oliveira, other conflicts that attorneys may have? and we know, for example, that in, i believe its mr. nautas attorney, has at least at one point represented the person who is referred to in the superseding indictment, as trump employee number four. who does seem to be somebody who may be cooperating. clearly you cannot represent a defendant and a co-operator in the same case. attorneys know what their ethical obligations are, or they should, and its their responsibility to not have a co...

>> its a big deal for a couple of reasons. anytime you add a codefendant or conspirator to the mix there is a chance that that person will cooperate with the authorities against the bigger criminal fish people should know that often prosecutors will find developing witnesses before people are indicted because those potential witnesses want to play hardball and they see their name as a marquee defendant on the wrong side of the v. versus carlos and sometimes that is a wake up call. ive had lots o...