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And the problem with that is, were not talking about individual charity. were not talking about what you put in the church basket or send to your synagogue. we are talking about what are our responsibilities to maintain the government of our country? and i think, thanks partly to elizabeth warren, were having a different conversation now, where this isnt about punishing the rich, whether its that guy or warren buffett, or somebody else. this is about the fact that if youre lucky enough to be bor...

Responsibility to the upkeep of the commons, which allowed them to become rich. so this is not about hating rich people. >> the upkeep of the country. theres a nice, sort of household term e.j.s come up with. the upkeep. keeping our bridges safe, keeping our roads worthy, keeping our electrical systems working, keeping our sewers working. thats called upkeep. shouldnt the people with the most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me thats common sense. its not about punishment,...

Household term e.j.s come up with. the upkeep. keeping our bridges safe, keeping our roads worthy, keeping our electrical systems working, keeping our sewers working. thats called upkeep. shouldnt the people with the most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me thats common sense. its not about punishment, its about, go where the money is. >> well, can i jump in here? >> sure, youre in. >> well, part of the argument is that government actually does some useful things. and the ...