idiot" which trump called an amazing theatrical experience, maybe less amazing if american idiot is now directed at you ♪ don't want to be an american idiot ♪ >> jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks for joining us. "ac 360" with anderson starts now. it's like the world gone crazy this morning. trump's performance was beyond belief. good evening, everyone. that quote is from a senior european diplomat talking to cnn about the nato summit in brussels and what the president said there today. now, this diplomat we should point out is not alone. the western allies have been talking about it. the russians vietnam be talking about it. the world, and tonight so will we. yet as shocking as it may be to our allies, as troubling as it is to some lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, it should not be surprising whether voters at the time gave it much credence. what happened today in brussels is what donald trump campaigned on. he said he was going to do this.
it's the distilled essence of what he has believed, in fact, for years. the problem is the beliefs he campaigned on and tweeted about and stirred up crowds with on the stump, they do not happen to be based in fact, and the concern is he either does not know or does not care to know, or worse that he does know better but chooses instead to disregard the facts to make some larger point. now just to be clear, you can believe a 70-year-old military alliance against soviet and now russian expansion is a good idea or not. you can agree or disagree with the central premise of it, that an take on one nato country is an attack on all. you can take issue with any number of aspects with nato, and later in the program we'll talk to someone who does just that however, the president's main grievance, which he expressed today at a summit breakfast simply is not factual. >> many countries are not paying what they should. and frankly, many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back where they're delinquent, as far as i'm concerned, because the united states has had to pay for them.
>> the president's suggestion is that nato is a dues paying organization that members chip in to some pot for collective defense, that they don't pay their fair share, they haven't been for years, and they owe the u.s. money. keeping him honest, as you'll see, that is simply not the case. it's not the way it works. it's not even close. it is, however, the way president trump believes it works, and he said so for years. >> number one, nato is obsolete. and number two, the people aren't paying their way. >> it's obsolete and we pay too much money. >> nato, we're going to have the people that aren't paying, they're going to start paying. >> it's obsolete. >> they were getting ripped in nato. they don't pay their bills. >> they are delinquent. >> so, as you see, he campaigned on the notion. he was electeded on it. he tweeted about it through the presidency, including on the flight over saying many countries in nato, which we are expected to defend are not only short of their current commitment of 2% which is low, but are also delinquent for many
years in payments which have not been made. will they reimburse the u.s.? keeping them honest, there is nothing to reimburse beyond a token amount to keep the lights on in brussels, each member nation play pays nothing for collective defense, zero. members have their own defense budgets and have agreed to spend 2% of gdp on defense by 2024. as you can see some have already hit the target. some have not. and yes, the united states does spend far more than any other nato country, and yes, past american president, including the most recent one have criticized nato numbers for not spending enough on defense. past presidents have referred to burden sharing, even used words like contributing. they have not, however, said or suggested that other nato countries owe the united states money, let alone back payments, which again these countries do not. and other presidents have openly recognized that nato member nations contribute to the forward bases that allow the u.s. to be a global military superpower, also, that many sent soldiers who died for news
afghanistan after 9/11 because the nato treaty, article 5 calls for just that. in any case, the president believes they're freeloading, and today he demand member nations not only meet the 2% goal immediately, he told them to double the target to 4% of gdp, an amount even the u.s. doesn't spend. he also singled out germany for additional criticism. . >> but germany, as far as i'm concerned is captive to russia because it's getting so much of its energy from russia. we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that's being paid to the country that we're supposed to be protecting you against. >> the president expanded on that in a tweet, explicitly connecting or conflating the idea of defending europe with getting paid. quote, what good is nato, he writes, if germany is paying russia billions of dollars for gas and energy. why are there only 5 out of 29 countries that have met that commitment? the u.s. is paying for europe's protection and then loses on trade. must pay 2% of gdp immediately,
not by 2025. this may be shocking to many. it's not, however, a surprise. the president campaigned on much of this. but now that he is acting on it, even some leading republicans are speaking up, albeit in fairly gentle way. yesterday democrats and independents passed a nonbinding resolution in support of nato which for seven decades hasn't been especially controversial. today the outgoing chairman of the senate foreign relations committee weighed in. >> they believe america's leadership around the world has made the world safer for americans, and made the world a better place. and when i see that leadership diminishing and us trying to break apart alliances that we created, it troubles me. >> troubles him. unclear, though, if it also troubles president trump. that, however, unclear. the president's next stop is the uk tomorrow morning. british prime minister theresa may saying tonight, and i'm quoting here, there is no
partners to 4% of gdp. they said -- they have been saying, and you mentioned it just a few moments ago that they wanted to get to 2% of each member's gdp by 2024. 4% is obviously a pretty big load for some of these countries. it's been a burden that has been shouldered by the u.s. for some time, but, anderson, beyond that, what is a concern to diplomats in the european community, and i talked to some of them. some of our colleagues have been talking to them is that the president seems to have a pattern. that is he goes to summits, he goes to events around the world, and he bashes his allies in europe and around the world and seems to be cozying up to dictators and undemocratic leaders like vladimir putin. that is a big concern to european leaders and other nato members here, and that is surprising. >> also, his comments about germany basically being under the thumb of russia fascinating. it's so -- for a president who has been accused of being under the thumb of russia, for him to
lob that specific criticism at germany is, you know, it's either brilliant or fascinate organize disturbing, i guess, depending on how you look at it. >> absolutely. it sounds like the president is engaging in what aboutism instead of responding to criticism that he is too cozy with russian president vladimir putin. he is saying, well, what about germany being dependent on russian gas and fuel? the fact is, anderson, and you know this, most people know this who have followed this, the germans have been buying russian fuel dating back to the early 2000s, predating vladimir putin's aggressive stance on the world stage. and so the president is bringing this up in sort of a misleading way. what we do know is that while the president brought this accusation up in front of the nato secretary general earlier today, saying that germany was somehow being held captive by
russia, he did not say this publicly in front of the cameras when he was sitting alongside angela merkel, the german chancellor. he didn't say it alongside the french president emmanuel macron. this topic was brought up with both of those leaders when the president was sitting down with both of those leaders, and he declined to really engage with those leaders on that particular issue. so the president seems to want to throw his weight around on the world stage and engage in some pretty fiery rhetoric, but when he had a chance to do it in front of the two world leaders, he didn't choose to do so. so anderson, i think the question that a lot of european leaders, a lot of u.s. allies are leaving the summit with is how serious the president is about the bluster, but it does make them concerned about the mind-set he is taking in to that meeting with the russian president vladimir putin because there are so many very big and important issues on the line when he meets with vladimir putin coming up in finland on monday. anderson? >> yeah, it's fascinating to see a world leader be tough everywhere except when they're face-to-face with the actual person that they are being critical of. it's an interesting strategy.
jim acosta, i appreciate it. thanks very much. obviously the president goes to -- will be in london tomorrow. joining us now is author and retired army lieutenant colonel ralph peters. lieutenant colonel peters, first, the president's claims about payments to nato. what do you think it is? a willful gross misunderstanding. >> i think in the beginning it was a misunderstanding that he jumped on, but now it's a technique to throw red meat to his base. trump thrives on disruption. and the irony, anderson, is although we pay over 3% of our gdp, about 3.2, to 3.2% to defense, if you broke it out given our commitments around the world, far less than 2% goes to nato, is in support of nato. we're in the pacific. we're in the war against terror. we're in space. so on so many levels, the claim is false. but beyond the sound and fury, what matters is that nato is a
embar bargain for the united states. it's cheaper than war. and it is the most successful peacetime alliance in history. it has made allies of european states that fought each other for centuries right up to 1945. it's helped us. it gives us bases. and so trump's attacks on nato, i think partly he doesn't want to backtrack and admit he was wrong, but also, with trump virtually every trail for me leads to the kremlin. >> and you're saying this leads to the kremlin in what way? >> in the sense that trump is, for whatever reason, and i have my own suspicions, certainly, trump is both enamored and fearful of vladimir putin. if you look at his pattern, he is afraid to say anything critical of vladimir putin. it's another issue, but to me i just think the russians have the goods on this guy, and that's the only explanation i can come up with. but in the meantime, we are
faced with real damage, real immediate and perhaps some irreparable damage to this greatest of alliances, nato. and it was fascinating to me today to watch angela merkel and macron dealing with trump. it was like watching psychiatrists patiently deal with a disturbed child. trump -- my god, he is not only shaming our nation, he is doing real damage to our security, to our interests and to our allies. and vladimir putin could not be happier. >> you know, one of the things that's often said about president trump is that he attacks people on the very things that he's been attacked on or been criticized for, talking about russia -- talking about germany being captive to russia. the irony of that is kind of extraordinary. >> well, i'm glad you raised, that because one thing trump is
indisputably brilliant at is propaganda. he knows how to control the media. we're talking about him right now. we talk about him virtually every day on the air. and his genius is using traditional propagandistic deck techniques where when you're backed into a corner over an issue, you lash out and accuse your enemy or foe of the same issues the way when he is backed into the corner in russia he accuses hillary clinton of making an uranium deal which was really peripheral. now he is backed into the corner over this upcoming summit with putin. and what does he do? he lashes out at germany. oh, the germans, they're worse than us. they're controlled by russia. first of all, he has a strategic concern that angela merkel inherited from gerhard schrader, the previous chancellor who was in fact germany's donald trump and she is doing the best to deal with it. angela merkel has been the
greatest chancellor germany has had since conrad in the early post years. she is the last man standing in europe. she has held the alliance together against putin. she has held the sanctions together. trump dislikes her because she is a plain middle aged woman who talks back to her. and putin hates her because she is plain middle aged woman who talks back to him and imposes sanctions on him. and she is an admiral leader. i wish we had a leader like that ourselves. for all the mistakes she made, she has been a brilliant chancellor, and we have a fool for president. >> colonel peterson, appreciate your time. as we mentioned at the top of the program, candidate trump said he was going to do what he said today, calling nato obsolete. coming up including christiane amanpour is going to join us. also, another adviser to the president is making biblical comparisons when talking about the administration's policy of separating kids from parents at the border. those comparisons are not going
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>> well, anderson, i've been up since the crack of dawn, digesting all the happenings that have been going on there since the early morning breakfast until right now. and a lot of dust and debris has settled, but the bottom line is that yes, president trump said this transactional sort of characterization of nato, the fact that it was obsolete during the campaign. but, you know, a lot of people around the world hope that what's said on the campaign trail translates into more pragmatism in governance, particularly about something like nato, which the united states created, underpinned with harry truman, that famous picture of him holding up the declaration back in 1949. and in the absence of any other plan, as you just heard from colonel peters, this is an incredible insurance policy, not just for the united states' security, but for the rest of the world that the u.s. underpins and its allies. so look, i talked to the u.s. ambassador to nato, i spoke to the german defense minister, i
spoke to the former u.s. ambassador to nato who served two presidents and bipartisan presidents. they all believe, and as you see in the senate to the united states, all believe that nato is in the united states' vital interests, and this constant rhetoric while, yes, it may be what president trump said during the campaign, is having a sort of cumulative grinding effect to the point that the leaders today said they're very concerned. they called mr. trump consistent in his attempt to sort of denigrate and degrade this alliance. and they're very concerned about that and what it means going into the next summit with vladimir putin. >> professor, i know you agree with the substance of what president trump is trying to do. i wonder what you think of his approach in brussels today. >> well, i mean, his approach has been ham-handed, as it has been with a lot of the
diplomatic issues that he's taken on. but i think there are two important things that we need to sort of clarify. the fact that nato was a very successful alliance from 1949 to 1989 is both indisputable, but maybe also somewhat irrelevant because the world has changed a lot with the end of the cold war, and there is a lot of discussion about nato that sort of lights over the fact that there was some pretty big changes with the end of the cold war, but the only changes with nato is that it's actually gotten bigger. secondly, i think the burden sharing issue is an important one. again, it's not a new issue. we've been complaining about the burden sharing problems since the 1960s. but the big issue is that despite continually going back to the europeans on this issue, it remains a problem.
and, you know, it seems to me if i were the president, i wouldn't focus on the equity issue. i would simply say if you guys can't meet the targets that we've agreed all along, your defense spending should hit, maybe you really don't believe that the security situation you face is as perilous as you say. so i think there is the old saying about the broken clock being right twice a day. and i think on the defense spending issue, the president is right, although perhaps for the wrong reasons. >> christiane, what than point, that if wealthy european countries really were so concerned about a threat from russia that they would up their defense spending? >> well, on that very issue, that is why they are upping their defense spending. since 2014. and professor desch is correct that successive u.s. presidents have called for more equitable sharing of the burden. obviously the budgets are set
according to the size of each nation's economy. the united states is the biggest economy in the world, hence it underpins most of the budget, like it does most of the u.n. budget and other such things. but leave that as it may be, since 2014, when russia under vladimir putin changed the rules of the game by invading another country, that is when the united states and its nato allies got together and said actually, now, let's get serious. let's all up our budgets. those who are not at the 2%, up the budget and get serious, which is what they have been doing. 100% of nato countries since 2014 have been moving their budgets towards the 2% target. it's not all perfect yet, but they have an agreed goal to do that by 2024, not tomorrow morning as president trump suggested today, and not by 4% as he suddenly threw out today, much to everybody's surprise and chagrin. so, you know, there is a lot of goalpost shifting. but anderson, very crucially to
the point, nato is not obsolete. nato is fighting terrorism. nato is doing that in afghanistan right now where germans are the biggest contributors after the united states, and it is actually incredibly relevant, and it is only ever come to the defense once of a member country, and that was of the united states after 9/11. what more can we say? >> professor desch, what than? >> the goal shifting, you know, i'm sure christiane did not mean to imply that history began in 2014, but a lot of the discussion -- >> no, but i say it, professor. >> no. but it's interesting that that's where you began the discussion of the current contretemps with putin and nato. >> it's not, professor. you're wrong. it's not where i started. i said for decades the u.s. presidents have said there needs to be a fairer burden sharing. but i said that in 2014, after the ends of the cold war when
europe felt that the world was getting safer, that maybe they didn't need to spend so much on european defense. and by the way, the united states has never wanted the eu to have its own separate military. let's call a spade a spade. the world was changing after 1989. the collapse of the soviet union. it changed back again, thanks to the president of russia, who the president of the united states seems to think is his ally. >> and that's the point. no, no, no. >> professor, finish your thought. >> yeah, if i might, you know, the cold war ended 19 198-1990. for ten years, the russian democrats did everything they could to convey the message to the west that if we were interested in the future of democracy in russia, the last thing we should do is expand nato. first wave of nato expansion comes in 1999. guess when vladimir putin first
comes on to the political scene in moscow. let's talk about 2008 and the bucharest summit in which nato membership is raised for georgia and the ukraine. the georgian war comes soon after that. and in 2014, the big issue on the agenda with the ukraine was whether it was going to move closer to europe and the eu. >> professor desch, right now, do you believe nato plays an important role in the protection of western europe? certainly latvia, estonia, front line states certainly believe it does. do you believe it does? >> well, i understand why they believe it does. i'm not sure that all europeans -- >> i'm asking do you believe it does. >> do i believe that it does? i believe that the europeans are fully capable of defending themselves with or without the united states. and i think that in some respects, nato has been an irritant and made the situation
with russia worse. it takes two to tangle in, you know, international relations and my point is not to defend the president or president putin, but simply say that history didn't start with in 2014 with the russian invasion of crimea. >> i got it. professor desch, i appreciate it. christiane amanpour, as well. we want to turn to another aspect of diplomacy that can't be overlooked, certainly is not this time. it's a contact sport conducted face-to-face, eye to eye. chemistry matters. facial expressions matter. the president himself says so and spoke at length about it after his encounter with kim jong-un. with that in mind, the question is how did it play out today? cnn's tom foreman shows us. >> germany is totally controlled by russia. >> reporter: the president's scathing critique of germany made diplomats cringe, but no more so than his own team. watch u.s. ambassador kabass ka hutchinson look away squirming. you can see john kelly look away
from the president and pucker his mouth. the president renewed the attack using the word captive. >> captive to russia, some turned their heads, some fidgeted. and like that scene in "the devil wears prada". >> there is the pursing of the lips. >> which means? >> catastrophe. >> reporter: catastrophe may be too much. after all, president trump has famously given his european counterparts an eyeful of body language before. and when the press secretary was asked about the chief of staff's reaction, she told "the washington post" he was displeased because he was expecting a full breakfast and there was only breakfast and cheese. still, body language can be louder than words at these international gatherings. when trump shoved the prime minister of montenegro aside at a photo op, critics and comics erupted. >> who does that? >> but his fans -- >> we love it. we're america. >> we're rude? >> no. >> no.
we weren't rude. we're dom nafnlt. >> after eight years, he made america great again on the world stage. >> reporter: clearly tough body language works for some, but not all, especially considering the times the president has grabbed for the first lady's hand, only to have her push his away. so when the president says he is great at reading people, experts and body language say -- >> he's not as skilled as he claims to be with that, with assessing someone else's body language. he is more like a bull in a china shop. >> of course, it's more of an art than a science, figuring out what people mean by the way they hold their bodies. but certainly the body language of team trump raised some eyebrows here in d.c. today, anderson. >> tom, i just want to go back to something there. what did you say was sarah sander's statement about chief kelly's statement that it was about not getting a full breakfast? >> i have to think it's a real statement given to "the washington post." i have to think she was joking,
because that doesn't seem to be the issue. actually, it looks much more like he has had more than he can stomach, not that he's not getting enough breakfast, anderson. >> all right. tom, thanks very much. the wife of one of president trump's newest aides hosted a radio show in weight-2009. darla shine had some very interesting things to say about sexual harassment in the military. of course, the whole issue of sexual harassment is related to shine after he left fox news in the wake of sexual harassment scandal regarding roger ailes. we'll have the details ahead in a cnn exclusive. ♪ incomparable performance cars cannot be rushed. they must be painstakingly crafted. out of titanium, aluminum, and high tensile steel. hand-built by masters, scrutinized by experts, and tested... ...relentlessly. the lexus high performance line.
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tonight, a cnn exclusive, news about comments from bill shine, a former fox news executive and now one of president trump's top aides. back in 2008-2009, shine hosted a radio talk show where she proudly acknowledged she was sexist for one, saying she was against the idea of women in combat, an obviously sensitive topic because bill shine left his job as president of fox news last year in part because of his handling of sexual harassment allegations against roger ailes. >> why on earth would you fight to go on a submarine ship for months on end? you know, there was just a story with these girls -- these women who were upset that they were sexually harassed in the military. what do you think is going to happen when you go on a submarine for 12 months with 4,000 horny soldiers? [ laughter ] i mean, i hate to say it, but it's true. they should not even be allowed.
the top military should say no way. you're not allowed. but, you know, the feminists have fought for these rights. it's so stupid. i don't know why anybody would want that. >> kirsten powers is joining us who worked with bill shine when he was a political analyst at fox and shields joins us as well. so kirsten, you hear darla shine's point that women serving with men in the military should expect to be sexually harassed. i wonder what you say about that. >> obviously i disagree with that. i think she misunderstands sexual harassment to be about a man desiring another woman, and that's not really what it's about. it's about humiliating and dominating the woman and making advances against her that she doesn't want to receive. i do think that what she says is unfortunately what a lot of people think. it's not something that i would consider be wildly outside the mainstream of views that people have. i wish that people would get a little more informed about it and understand that there are women who have been able to
serve in the military alongside men, and there have been no problems. and there also have been problems, but those problems are not because the men are not inherently predisposed to do that. it's more about our culture, and we need to change that. >> mike, the white house didn't respond to cnn's request about whether bill shine endorses his wife's views. should he as a top aide of this administration be asked, or asked about comments that his wife made, especially for something like this in your opinion, given the allegations at fox news, his role in it, and his leaving fox news because of that? >> you know, i don't think he should. and i think it's -- thing is a very slippery slope and it's something we have to be very, very careful about. i have a very successful, intelligent wife who has a career of her own. and sometimes people will call me and ask me what she thinks about things, and that's offensive to me and that's offensive to her. my answer always is why don't you call her and ask her herself. it has no relevancy what i think
about what she does and what she thinks is any relevancy on my job. she was not hired by the white house. first of all, i don't agree with what she said on that show, obviously. i think that the women in our military are wonderful and we have a great candidate in arizona who is a first female fighter pilot who is amazing, martha mcsally. i actually don't think most of the country agrees with it. i think polling shows that we like the fact that our military has great women serving in it. but outside of that, no, i think it's one thing to disagree what she is saying. i think it's another thing to try and hold her husband accountable for her beliefs. i don't think it's appropriate. i think it's quite offensive for some people to say, well, what your wife thinks is somehow pertains to you. mary matalin and james carville disagree with each other and work against each other, and that's okay. your wife is allowed to have different opinions than you. >> kerstin, this probably would not be a story at all where it not for what happened to bill shine, what happened at fox
news. >> right. >> and the fact that he has now been hired for one of the top jobs in the white house. >> right. look, i actually agree with mike on terms of what darla shine says is what she says. these are her beliefs. i don't think that you should have to answer for what your spouses are saying. i have many disagreements with my fiance. i think most people do have disagreements on different things, and we should be allowed to have our own thoughts and to share them publicly. the question with bill shine is that he was obviously involved in everything that was going on at fox news. he was roger ailes' number two. it's inconceivable that he didn't know what was going on. he has been named in various lawsuits. that said, i do think we have to have a conversation about what's the way forward in these situations. he lost his job, you know. he resigned, but he really was pushed out. he lost his job over this. and that was the punishment. and so do we now say you are now never allowed to have another job? i actually wouldn't say that. i would say you can have another
job, and this is your second chance, and hopefully you're going to do things differently this time. but i don't know that it means you then can never have another job. when you consider this white house also, this is just not something that donald trump is concerned about. he doesn't believe women when they make accusations. he has made that very clear over and over. he defended roger ailes. so there is nothing surprising about bill shine being there. >> mike, kerstin makes an important point about people being allowed to have a life after, you know, paying a price for something they are alleged to have done, or in this case, he denied any wrongdoing and was never accused directly of any harassment himself. is it -- was it a mistake for the president to hire him for this position? >> well, i don't believe so. and, look, this is the white house communications director job. you and i have talked about this. the communications director of the white house is donald trump, and we've had a number of different people that have worked on this.
but i will say this. one of the approaches the president has is that he goes towards people from new york, people from the business world, people from show business to come in and help communicate him because he doesn't believe political professionals in washington, d.c. necessarily know how to do it. now part of me is offended by that because i'm a political professional in washington, d.c., but then i look around and see how things are done here, and i go well, i can completely understand why he reaches that conclusion. and that's what the american people elected. they wanted someone who was going to do things differently and come from his background which wasn't political. bill shine is a completely nonpolitical guy. he is more from the world donald trump is from. maybe he will fit better with this president in terms of how he communicates than some of the staffers that have been in this position before. >> mike shields, kirsten powers, i appreciate it. thank you very much. >> thank you. the government official in charge of the care of the immigrant cares boasted about the work his department was doing. just ahead we'll take you to the southern border for an update on the pace of the judicially ordered reunifications.
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as of last night, just 38 of the 102 kids identified under a judge's order had been reunified with their parents. another 27 were determined to be ineligible as of yet. ed lavandera joins us from brownsville, texas. i understand you have seen some families reunited today. what's the latest you've learned? >> well, at this facility you see behind me just a short while ago, there was a 40-year-old mother who was reunited with her 17-year-old daughter. this mother was released on bond pending her asylum case on monday, and just to kind of give you a sense, anderson, of what kind of a process is involved here, this mother showed up here at this facility at 10:00 this morning, and it took almost eight hours for all of the paperwork, the verification. we're not exactly sure of exactly everything that went into this based on what they told us, but the mother told us she had been fingerprinted. but she was inside this building for eight hours while she awaited for her daughter to finally be released to her.
she came out a short while ago and described the ordeal. she had been separated from her daughter almost 40 days, anderson, and described the entire process as an injustice. and she left here tonight very worried about the psychological state of her teenaged daughter. >> what have you learned about the remaining children? have you been able to get any answers about when they will be reunified with their families? >> well, this is really the amazing part of what has gone on today. remember, last night we were able to report that the u.s. government was saying that 38 of the 102 children under the age of 5 who were under a court ordered mandate to be reunited with their families by yesterday, 24 hours ago, u.s. government officials told us last night that more reunions would take place throughout the night. but we have heard nothing from u.s. government officials today as to how many more families have been reunited. so that number still stands at 38 as far as we know.
both sides, the government and the aclu, which has been suing the government because of this expected back in court later this week for an update. but staggering that really no clear update today from the federal government as to how many more families have been reunited tonight. >> ed lavandera, i appreciate the update. thank you. the christian broadcasting network says a faith adviser to president trump, paula white is her name, went on a recent tour of one of the facilities where the immigrant children were being housed. afterward she said she liked what she saw and then answered a question about refugees in the bible. >> since he did witness this firsthand, talk to me about what biblical scriptures come to mind when you saw this. >> well, everyone -- i think so many people have taken biblical scriptures out of context on this. they say stuff well, jesus was a refugee. and yes, he did live in egypt, but it was not illegal. if he had broke the law, then he
would have been sinful and he would not have been their messiah. >> i'm joined now by father james marden who has a great deal experience when it comes to scripture, as you might imagine. father marden, when you hear pastor paula white say if jesus had broken the law, he wouldn't be the messiah, i wonder what goes through your mind. >> i wonder what gospel she is reading. jesus sets aside a lot of traditions. he goes against jewish laws. he heals on the sabbath. he touches people who are unclean ritually and pure. and really, jesus' whole point over and over again is that god's laws supersede man's laws. here is the bible really to validate kids being taken away from their parents is really appalling, in my mind. >> well, it's interesting because she is saying people are taking biblical scriptures out of context, and in this case she was about saying that jesus was a refugee. is she essentially taking biblical scriptures out of context? >> yes.
she mentioned the story of the flight into egypt where the holy family goes into egypt. the u.n. definition of a refugee is someone who fears persecution legitimately and flees their homeland. and that's what the holy family did. so he was a refugee. the whole thrust of the old and the new testaments is basically welcoming the stranger. jesus says at one point if you welcome the stranger you welcome me. i don't know how anyone can read the bible and say jesus is not all about not only being on the side of the marginalized but welcoming the stranger. he says it over and over again. i'm sort of mystified what gospel she's reading. >> jeff sessions as well as sarah sanders have talked about biblical scripture talking about the importance of obeying laws. the laws of man. >> that's right. as you're saying, anderson, those are the laws of man. jesus over and over again sort of points us to higher laws. one of the ironies is a lot of these conservative christians have no trouble saying that
there are higher laws when it comes to things like abortion and same-sex marriage, which are both legal, right? but in the case of refugees suddenly the law becomes an idol. it's also very selective when they decide that laws are going to be the most important thing. basically, jesus is saying god's law supersedes man's laws, and that comes across in almost every bible story. >> i wonder what you make of the health and human services secretary, alex azar, who argued yesterday that this administration is not only protecting these kids but they're actually saving these children's lives. now, in some cases he was talking about unaccompanied minors who'd been found crossing the border or people who he was saying were under the influence of traffickers or people who they weren't actually related to, who were using these children. but certainly a lot of these kids who have been separated are actually being separated from their parents. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's likewise insane to say that separating a child who's already been traumatized from the long trip from his or her parents is somehow protecting them is
bizarre. and you're seeing the pictures your correspondent in brownsville and those pictures of the little child at the airport, that anyone would say that isn't now -- that is in some way in the best interests of the child is -- i don't understand that at all. sow i thi so i think it's again this rationalization for political purposes which i think is really reprehensible. >> father martin, appreciate your time as always. >> pleasure. >> i want to check in with chris to see what he's working on for "cuomo primetime" starting in just a couple minutes. chris, what have you got? >> anderson, you and i talk about this all the time, how it always seems that people who believe in a faith or religion, they find what they want to find in it. and we see that playing out right now where people are selectively talking about christianity in terms of what it would dictate should happen on the border. you don't have to believe in any higher power to know that we needed to do better than what was done down there, and we're going to look at how what's happening on the border and continuing to happen is reflective of a trend of harshness across this country.
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>> reporter: for the first time we're getting a look at what's being described by navy s.e.a.l.s in thailand as the operation the world will never forget. this video just released showing the s.e.a.l.s preparing to begin their diving mission into the cave system to rescue the 12 soccer players and their coach. water up to their chests as they prepare to scuba into the murky cave waters. you can see the guide wires that have been set up, the divers holding on to them. starting their voyage in the dark. the new video illustrating the excruciatingly narrow tunnels that must be navigated. tunnels that could become deadly at any time if portions of the waterlogged cave collapsed and boulders or rocks fall down. major charles hodges, the mission k345r7bd of the u.s. air force unit involved in the rescue operation, says nothing like this had ever been done. >> we understood that there was no other option. working with the thai, we realized they had gone through the decision matrix the right way and every other option was quickly leading to dead ends. and even though this was
extremely risky, with a low probability of success, there were no other options. especially once we found the kids. we knew that we had to follow through on this. >> the new video also gives new appreciation to the near total darkness divers operated in. having to navigate the cave while carrying their bulky oxygen tanks. surrounded by cliffs and at times having to climb steps. the journey taking hours. but the divers get to where the maroon boys and coach were weighing. an australian diver who was the only doctor involved in the rescue and was the last diver out. >> the entire dive you're basically from 2.5 kilometers or so to the back there's zero visibility on the way out. you're following the line with your hands and basically might have your eyes closed the whole trip. >> reporter: the boys were each strapped to two divers. it's grueling work for the divers securing the boys on the stretchers when they were on dry
live with a lawyer who was arguing against this policy in court today. who will update on us whether the trump administration is complying with the judge's timetable to put these families back together again. we start tonight with fredrick vaughn stew ben. he was born in 1730 in the kingdom of presha. an air that is modern day germany. at 17 he joined the preshan army and fought in the seven years war. it was one of the most sophisticated and powerful armies in the world. he had a distinguished military career, eventually becoming a top aid to fredrick the great. he also believed to be a openly gay man. back then, being gay was a crime. in 1753 he was dismissed from the army. he was rumored he was let go because he was gay. with no job and nowhere to go,
fredrick went to america. he arrived in the states in the throes of the revolutionary war in 1777. the continental army was losing. they suffered through a bit l winter at valley forge. the troops were living in filth, untrained. george washington needed someone to whip his men into shape, how to teach them how to properly fight a war. it was around that time that george washington met friedrich. he was impreesed with his military experience and strong personality. washington hired him. he was not given a military title, he was not even an american. he took the job anyway to help secure the emerging new country's independence. he train's washington army at valley forge. he taught them how to march, stay in line, reload, pitch tents, build trees and run kitchens. he did it all in broken english.
american revolution who volunteered to help this country win its independence who helped tie the -- during war he wrote this letter to george washington, explaining why he volunteered to fight for a country that was not his own. he told washington, quote, the object of my greatest am beneficiary is to render your country all the services in my power and to deserve the title of a citizen of america by fought fighting for the cause of your liberty. in 1774 he got his wish. as a thank for his service, reward for sacrificed he made to american he became a u.s. citizen. he lived out the rest of his days in the united states. the immigrant soldier from presha who created the american professional army died at home, in new york as an citizen citizen. ever since the revolutionary war, immigrants in this country has represented a significant
recruiters asking how they could be apart of the program, asking how they could serve the country and become u.s. citizens. the immigrants who enlisted through the program scored significantly higher on their entrance exams. on average they were more highly educated. they filled serious deficits in the army. doctors, dentists, speakers of language and far from corners of the world where american forces were operating. during the president's obama's tenure the program included psychologist to help with severe emotional stress experienced by soldiers in afghanistan and iraq. the policy has been bipartisan. in 2014, president obama expanded the program to allow dah california recipients to participant. one immigrant who volunteered to serve was a dentist from philadelphia named amon dylan. he was born in india and moved to the united states in 2006. he was an ivy league gradual with a postdoctoral degree.
messages, e-mails, phone call and having told somehow they failed a background check. no one would tell them what the details of failure are. >> is there something in the background check, maybe a form they filled out that indicated maybe there's something dishonest on the forms, or is this part of winding down this mavni program, to your knowledge? >> what part is the department of defense decided they wanted to do extreme vetting on these troops, they winded up these background checks but had no capabilities to do this. this related to three years they face before they can participate in the military because they're basically stuck waiting while they undergo these background checks. dod last year revealed a plot to cancel all your contracts because they didn't want to spend the money doing the background checks on them.
there's a public uproar about that, the background checks were cancelled. it would taken many many year before doj would be able to complete them. we're seeing a certainly surge discharges where they're being kicked out of the military without any reasons, or what they're doing wrong. one recruit continuance denty got ahold of some of the paperwork that purportedly supported the argument that he had failed his background check. the paper work indicated he hadn't really failed it. in fact the only reason they were kicking him out because he had, quote, foreign ties. these are immigrants, so they all have foreign ties. and the documents cited that he got coincidentally said he had a parent who lived in his home
somebody's not qualified to enlist in the military. if a person supposedly fail a background check they tell the person. they bring them in and say, it appears you failed a background check because you did the following thing, what do you have to say for yourself. in these cases, none of these people are being told why they failed. in fact, the commanders don't know why they failed. some of the people who supposedly failed these background checks recently received a promotion. got an award, there's nothing in their background or history to indicate that they did anything wrong. suddenly, they're receiving these discharge orders and being told that they failed a background check. >> it's a disturbing sotory, so close to the fourth of july. thank you for being here tonight and getting us information on this. >> thank you very much. and i appreciate you covering the story. >> thank you. the trump administration, meanwhile, was back in federal court trying to get an extension
their parents by tuesday. hhs cannot even locate the pattern of 38 kids. half their parents have been released to whereabouts unknown. the other half have already been deported. the trump administration today asked for more time to get the kids under 5 back to their parents. the judge said, no. he told the government to turn in the list of 101 children under 5 by tomorrow. he will take up the matter again on monday. joining us now is lee galort, a attorney for -- thank you very much for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm struck by the fact that the government is now saying the process is complicated in getting these kids back together. because mr. azar, the hhs secretary was testifying a week ago at the drop of the hat he could reunite children.
they do not have a system that matches parent a with child ark, if they had that system why would they need dna? >> right, i think what came out today was that the government does not have a proper tracking system. the judge noted that in his ruling last week, and it was just reenforced today. it's clear the government cannot match all the parents and children. so they asked for the judge to extend the deadlines, and as you said in your intro, the judge refused to generally extend the deadlines. what he did say is, if you have very specific concrete reasons why a particular family cannot be reunited by the deadline, let the plaintiffs know, let me know, because right now we're in the dark. then we'll talk in concrete terms about whether we're going to extend the deadline for particular individual families. he refused to take up the government's request to just generally extend the deadlines. it was absolutely clear in court today that the government's
tracking system was not a good one, they're not sure where all the patterns are. and so what i said in arguing our side of the case was, you need to give us the information, there are thousands of volunteers who want to help. we will get down there and see all the parents, ask them what their kid is like, what the kid's name is, try and help match and do what ever we can. these kids need to be reyunifie. >> i think it's extraordinary to hear that the government now says they don't know where some of those patterns are. let's play hhs secretary azar. this was just last week speaking with the finance committee about what he then said that they know. >> there is no reason whiny parent would not know where their child is located. i could at the key strokes -- i sat on the orr portal with just basic key strokes, within seconds can find any child in our care for my pattern. >> in court today when you were there, did they essentially take
that back? >> well, they didn't mention the secretary's comments but it was very clear they could not match all the parents and child with the stroke of a keyboard. the judge asked very pointed questions. we originally went in there to talk about all 3,000 or so kids that have been separated. that deadline is not for july 26 for kids 5 and older. the judge made the correct decision to focus the hearing today on the children under 5, so that we can fix that problem. he said i want the government to submit a list to the plaintiffs for all 500 kids, and explain to each individual kid why you cannot reunite them and if you cannot find the parent. the government did essentially admit to do, they do not have the able to track all the parents and kids and match them. >> we've seen before deportation, i.c.e. is given parents who is separated from their kids a form to fill out.
two options, requesting to reunite with my kids for the repatriation, meaning reunite and deport. or i'm formally requesting to return to my country without any minor children. the parents who they say have already been deported, are they now saying where they deported them to or where they are? >> well, we will see what that list shows there. they have to give us that list by 5:00 p.m. on saturday. we'll see what the list shows. i am assuming it will at least say what country the parent went to. there's no question that those forms that they've been distributing or misleading. what i said in court today was that we want the government to cease using that form. we want to institusubstitute in that we create that makes it clear parents are entitled to get their children back, and it's not inten gent upon theme leaving the united states.
vs. ve . >> very quickly. the department of justice attorney mentioned she was not going to be around this weekend because she would be dog sitting. just to classirify, was there gg to be any action in court this weekend, does it make any difference this doj lawyer was in colorado dog sitting? >> i did not understand the judge to say he wanted us in court this weekend. in fairness to her i think she said that, it didn't mean she wasn't ready to work this weekend. the judge i think didn't want us to be in court until monday morning. >> right, just to clarify that. the bottom line being, you didn't walk away from that hearing confidently that the the government could reunite these kids at the stroke of a pen? >> we did not. we said give us as much information you have because we will help find the attorney. >> lee gelernt thank you for
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administration's policies of separating migrant kids from their parents. a policy that has left nearly 3,000 children scared and alone in the u.s. she is herself a immigrant, she moved to the u.s. in 1994 and is now a naturalized american citizen. this is trump administration policy she's protesting. miss okoumou says it was another white house occupant who inspir inspired her to take action. >> michelle obama, our beloved first lady that i care so much about. say, when they go low we go high, and i went as high as i could. >> after more than 3 hours stand off with police, miss okoumou finally came down. she's down been charged with three sfleernds including trespassing, she's pleaded not. joining us now is patricia
okoumou in her first tv since her big climb. and j.w. walker. so miss okoumou i want to start with you. what made you scale the statue? >> well, rise and resist had been declining this action as far as -- the way we did. some people were wearing t-shirt that says abolish i.c.e. and i figured, okay i've never been to the statue of liberty. i would love to climb up there with the sign or banner. it wasn't something i was willing to discuss with the group because i didn't want to be discouraged. >> you didn't want them to stop you? >> yes. >> what did you think j.w. when patricia started heading up the statue? >> the truth is, no one in the group realized that it was
pressure when people first noticed it was up there. originally since it wasn't a plan of our action, we were like, oh, that's somebody else, that's a daredevil. we have no idea. it wasn't until some of the photographer that was with us used their zoom lenses and got a look at the person, and we were like saying, oh my god that was patricia. we issued statements saying we didn't know who it was, and then when we realized, oh my god it was patricia. the first thing was about her safety. and knowing she was a woman of color that was going to be engaged with law enforcement, we were concerned about the possibility that she may be injured when she was brought down. so, we just immediately started trying to find legal assistance for her. >> yeah. on that point, and of course, as woman of color engaging with law enforcement, i'm glad you made that point. some of the criticisms, you endangered yourself, put police in danger.
also as a woman of color you engaged activity with law enforcement that could have compounded. >> it wasn't worried about that, that was the first thing from my mind. my concern was for the kids. this is just cruel and inhumane. i couldn't live with that. i had to do something. >> what was the message that you wanted people to take away from what you were doing? >> that children don't belong in canaless and they needed to be immediately reunited with their families, their mom and decide. >> j.w., as far as the grown up is concerned, does this fit with the overall rise and resist message? is this what you want, direct action? >> that what we want, direct action group. that's how we were formed what we do. we were planning a specific action with the banner drop and the focus with the t-shirts. we don't plan things where people are going to be in any sort of peril or danger.
but, we absolutely support patricia in cha she did. the fact is we were there to call attention to i.c.e., to call attention to how much i.c.e. is subverting and perverting all the ideals america holds dear. patricia just took it to the next level. once we realized that she was safe when she was down, and she was safe, there's nothing endangering her, all we could do is celebrate the success attention to i.c.e. and to these issues that she brought. >> let's talk a bit about how the trump administration's policies have hit you as an immigrant. we share something in common. i have congo roots, you are from the republic of congo. when you start hearing how donald trump talk about immigrants and referring to some countries, now the detention of children. tell me how that hit you as an
immigrant? >> first of all, donald j. trump is a distracter and chief. no way am i going to focus my attention on him. i country he's a dog whister. he's trying to divide the country. we are a democracy, we stand for peace. the constitution protects everybody, including immigrants. there's something called a due process. he's ignorant unfortunately. i would not normalize his behavior. it's unprecedented. >> what is rise and resist plan? there are people who feel angry, frustrated, scared, what is the plan that rise and resist has? >> the plan is just to constantly call attention to the -- just to the sort of crimes against our very nature of more than that donald trump and his administration are committing regularly on a daily
basis. it's not just -- it's obviously just not i.c.e., it's the customs and border patrol. i.c.e. is taking people who have been living, working, paying taxes and raising their families here for decades. and storming into they're home and removing them over poorly filled-out paper work from their immigration process. >> the status of your legal case, when are you expected to be in court? >> august 3rd. >> hopefully you'll update us with your legal situation. glad you made it safe to the ground. patricia okoumou and j.w. walker. thank you for joining us. late tonight, knew that is can change the trial for donald trump's campaign chairman. but i wasn't tough enough to quit on my own. not until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking.
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defense. rachel brought you the transcript on friday starring the defense attorney, kevin downey. >> we don't have to take too much time, but we'd like to do some supplemental briefing with you you honor about the nature of the leaks that occurred here. we have highest level of government officials said to the press that mr. paul manafort. and the judge intervened. well, have you filed. last alet's you're right. what's the remedy you seek? how can you have a fair trial when the media has saturated with false statements about the evidence. the judge says, all right. so what's the remedy assuming your right. downing, well, given the conduct, one remedy is dismissal. >> the un, no. putting that one aside. mr. downy, i'd like to stick with that one briefly. the judge, no. go on. mr. downy says, you honor, i think you kind of glossed over this issue in terms of you
talking to somebody, asking them questions in vrd. i think we can do some supplemental briefs to show -- the judge, will you listen to what i'm saying to you. what remedy would you have asked for if you're right that it's been satiating as you put it. mr. downying, it will have to be a change of venue. the judge. finally. finally. >> the judge gave manafort's attorney till today to file for change of venue. the defense would like to move his trial from liberal saend rea, virginia. a fair trial will be impossible without a change of venue to roe oak, virginia. let's talk about this change of
venue that they'd like to have. we have a map here of alex sandhya with roan oak, virginia. a pool in vaend ya went clinton -- is that common to try to move the trial to a more politically favorable climate? >> i'm sure it's what every defendant who believes politics would help him or her would like to do. typically these transfers are authorized under federal rule where it would be extremely -- that he or she could not get a fair trial if they remain in case. you think about the big profile cases like the oklahoma city bombing, which was moved from
oklahoma to denver. that's where these sorts of transfers usually take place. >> in this case, do you think it's likely to succeed? >> i think this motion has a slender chance of success. one factor here is it's not just the cities we should be looking at. juries are pulled from what's called a division inside of a judicial district. so, manafort has been inditcted in the eastern area of virginia. the same is true in r ork enok -- it is as a friend told me earlier, trump country. this is a thinly ziesed effort by mr. manafort to get a jury pulled more to his liking, i don't think he'll be successful. >> one of the other issues brought up by manafort's torn is
the publicity in the case. there's been a lot to say on twitter about paul manafort. here's one sample tweet, wow, what a tough sentence for paul manafort who has representation ronald reagan. didn't know manafort was ahead of the mob. the idea that the president's tweets and that kind of publicity to adversely affect the trial, didn't we have the supreme court litigate a case where they said nothing donald trump tweets matters? >> they said it legally. i think what comes into play here is manafort's motion is very cavalier in terms of its willingness to believe that juries can follow the instructions they're given by judges and set aside their personal beliefs. i'll tell you after 25 years of trying cases in federal court that juries do that remarkably well. in fact in the eastern district
of virginia, one of the judges was able to try one of the 9-11 cays without needing to move that heavily publicized case to another district. manafort makes this super official argument with very little law and no real reason to believe that a jury in alex sandhya can't do what's stated by the judge and make a decision based on the law. >> all right, joyce vance thank you for being here tonight. when you come to aunte maxine you better be ready for the backlash. more on that next. still nervous about finding a new apartment?
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quote, before your scandals push you out. yesterday, a restaurant in lexington, virginia reopened its doors after the owner was forced to shut down for two weeks, by protesters who was upset that she asked sarah huckabee sanders to leave the premises. then there's a complaint that because he goes on fox news to support donald trump, his former friends on martha's vineyard are quote, shunning me and trying to ban me. that's a few thing from the folks on the left trying to let people know they disagree with the current administration and its policies. that is a tactic that congresswoman maxine waters, democrat out of california openly embraced at a rally a couple weeks ago. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline
station, you get out and you push back on them, you tell them, they're not welcome anymore anywhere. >> but while her calls for nonviolent direct action have now given the congresswoman a permanent slot in the president's rally stump speeches, complete with plenty of personal insults, her feisty calls for disobedience has -- the ones who call her aunte maxine. however, the congresswoman's call for action did not please democratic party leadership. house democratic leaders nancy pelosi tweeted last week, quote, in the crucial months ahead, we must strive to make america beautiful again. trump has revoked responses that are predictable but unacceptable. we must conduct emotions in a way that achieve liberty from
sea to shining sea. sent chucksumer said this on the floor. >> no one should call for the harassment of political opponents, that's not right, that's not american. >> that response is not going over well with 200 black leaders and allies who wrote a letter directed at shumann and pelosi. they said, disparaging to discredit congresswoman waters is an afort to her and black women across the country. it does not respect black women leadership and power. we all on the democratic party leadership to step up and publicly support congresswoman waters. we believe she is owed an apology for public comments insinuating she is uncivil and unamerican for challenging the trump administration. joining us now is one of the people signing that letter,
melody camp bell. she is the chairman of sisters lead, sisters vote. thank you so much for joining us. >> glad to be here, joy. >> tell me why the women, you yourself and more than 200 members of this signatories to this letter wrote that letter, and have you gotten a respond from the leaders? >> first of all, it's gone up to over 500 plaque women and others and allies, men and women from all races, quite frankly. wasn't just myself, but it was a group of us who working to, civil rights and social justice issues who were outraged and very concerned when we saw congresswoman wears being attacked, and even more concerned when the leadership did not stand with her as she was speaking truth to power about what was she speaking about at the end of the day, about the 2,000, now 3,000 children who have been separated from their families. and so, we knew as black women, black women in leadership, we needed to speak up and really
challenge the leadership to stand with congresswoman waters and get focused again on why she was speaking, and why she put herself out there. that's why we spoke up. >> and we, the producers of this show reached out to pelosi's office in a response to a question about whether or not she would apologize from congressman waters. this is what we got back. she's a valuable leader, whose call for -- should be heard without any threats to her safety. that's responding to some negative threatening sounding commenting about her. she fully added, donald trump has sullied the pulpit with reckless disregard for the safety of others. he should stop his attack on congresswoman waters, on all members of congress, free press and all americans who have the right and responsibility to speak their minds. does that response satisfy you? >> i think it was good for minority leader pelosi to make those comments. we do feel, however there needs
to be more said. we have not heart from senator shumann. we also plan, joy, to engage to gop leadership, speaker speaker paul ryan, calling for her to apologize and many republicans who also calling for her to be senntured and when she's speaking to truth, taking something that she said out of context and moving away from what this was about. so we need to ask ourselves, with err going to be civil about the children being separated from their parents. >> and there's been a companion online open letter to nancy pelosi that's now also out there that's been signed by about 4500 people. it says when you attack a black woman for speaking about injustice and call for civility in the face of blatant racisrac you invoke white supremacist power. we hope you can learn tr this
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>> reporter: good morning, martin. that's right, president trump is spending the week at new jersey amid the stwirl of unanswered questions surrounding that now infamous meeting at trump tower and his son and a russian lawyer, leaving the twhous yesterday, president trump refused to take questions of his former attorney michael cohen that cohen had advanced knowledge. trump and his legal team denied. they say trump is privately furious about the legal scrutiny facing him and his circle. trump is trying to fire off a series of tweets attacking democrats and making remarks yesterday at the white house about the economy because this is all coming at a backdrop for the successful trade talks and what was able to taught strong
growth in the second quarter of this year after the numbers came out on friday. russia has continued to pull focus from the president's economic message, washington was fixated yesterday on an incredibles coincidence. donald trump jr. was spotted waiting at the gate in this photo him despite the social media frenzy. a spokesperson for mueller says the two men didn't speak to each other. >> thank you very much for that. >> cnn politics reporter, cnn political analyst josh rogan and cnn legal analyst paul cowan with us here. paul also a former new york city prosecutor. thank you gentleman for being with us. we certainly appreciate it. paul i want to go to you first, so if trump u president trump did know about the trump tower
meeting in 2016, has there been a crime committed? >> it's an interesting question. you would think is president having, it's true if he knew he's publicly lied about it on previous occasions. however, we now have information from michael cohen his personal lawyer who says the president did, in fact, know about the trump tower meeting. now i think that puts the president in a difficult meeting. he was lying about it. it puts his son don, jr. in a worse decision. he testified before congress that the president knew nothing about the meeting before it took place. if that is true, it is possible that don junior has committed the crime of perjury by lying before a congressional committee under oath. so don junior has the big problem here that was created by the president, really. >> when you talk about cohen the thing is, he has no corroborating evidence of this,
the allegation that president trump knew and approved of this meeting. there are no recordings, no documentation as far as we know. but we do know that the meeting hammond. with that said,otalk to me about the importance of the intention of that meeting, whether it was known or not the intention is also in question here. >> right. we know from donald trump junior's revealed communications he expressed an interest about receiving dirt about hillary clinton from these russian nationals who had links to the russian government. we also know that this proffer turned out to be largely false the information they actually had wasn't true. it was related to their overall lobbying campaign against russia sanctions in exchange for a push to release russian reinstructions on american adoptions. so whatever you want to call. that can you call that attempted
cohen once on abc on may 6th and then with chris cuomo just this week. >> the man is an honest, honorable lawyer. >> i expected something like this from comey, he's been lying all week. he has been lying for years. >> the two completely different sides of the spectrum here on con. what do you make, first of all, how how much credence anybody can put into cohen at this point? >> i think what this shows is that there are problems with the nar raters on all sides of this rudy guiliani, he is praising cohen. he will tell the truth. all is fine. we hear him this week, he is a lierk everything he says is a lie. you put on the flipside, though, don't forget, michael cohen is saying donald trump knew about this meeting. i was there when donald trump junior told him about it. go back to his testimony before the house and senate intelligence committee, which
again is a lie to congress. we know he didn't say anything about donald trump knowing. so he is also as much of an unreliable nar rater in this story as the president is. now, someone here is lying. we don't i don't think yet know who that is. but that's going to be without that, you know without a tape or some other corroborating evidence, it's going to be hard to figure out who that is. >> paul, what kinded of evidence would they have to have to prove intention or to prove that president trump did, indeed, know and approve of this meeting and how much does it matter at the end of the day? >> well, if you focus back on don junior's testimony before congress, few wanted to prove he committed perjury in saying the president didn't know about it. you would need corroborating evidence. it's called the two witness ruchl it doesn't have to be live or circumstancele evidence suggesting cohen's new testimony is, in fact, accurate about don junior. i think getting back to a
legitimate point that josh ra raises. the meeting is important not because they colluded with the russians. they got dirt on hillary clinton in the meeting. it would show an intent to cooperate with russian sources to sabotage the hillary clinton campaign. now, if there were other acts later on, this would be the intent and the other acts would fill out the collusion theory. so you can't rule this out as evidence of collusion. it could be the start of collusion the there is other evidence. >> josh, the president tweeted this yesterday, i did not know of the meeting with my son don junior. it sounds like someone is making up stories to get himself out of an unrelated jam. >> that does not sound like someone who can count on a pardon anymore. is there a risk for the are the there? there are a lot of people saying, he will pardon cohen.
cohen will not cooperate. this does thought sound like that pardon could happen. is there a risk for president trump in kind of making that known in. >> well, i would say yeah he issing a only inning the risk that already exists. he didn't make the risk. the risk started when michael cohen decided to turn on the president. it's a race to the bottom between, you know, all of these guys and they're all losing. okay. the whole idea that his most closest personal fixer and lawyer for all of these years is leaking horrendous details true or not to the press as bait to get him out from his own legal troubles. it's a disaster for the president legally and he is lashing occupant. so, yes, i think the pardon is off the table for michael cohen. he is clearly pursuing a different strategy now. i heard paul say on tv and lots of other cnn lawyers, it doesn't
seem like michael cohen's strategy is that good. the he was looking for a deal, he wouldn't be leaking to the press. it's not really the best way to gain the trust of all of these prosecutors, envelopes, they're all desperate and failing from i have 15 second left, palm said the real legal risk comes for donald trump jr. how strongly, what do you think president trump is willing to do to come down to it? >> it's a good question. we seen trump lash out more and more and more as this investigation comes closer to his inner circle. if it gets to donald trump jr. that's as close as it gets. i don't think we should see should it come to that down the road. >> always so grateful to have the three of you on with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> the car fire in northern california has already claimed two lives. now a family in northern california is calling hospitals,
archbishop of newark, new jersey and washington, d.c. in washington, he became probably the premiere broker between america and the nation's political establishment. he played an incredible important role in the late years in the john paul ii tape unseeding pope benedict xxviing and he was instrumental in getting pope francis elected in 2013. the accusations is that he is guilty of a variety of acts, sexual misconduct and abuse including in at least one case with a minor. of course, pope francis has pushed himself to a strong policy on sexual abuse. today the vatican announced that i have accepted his resignation from the college of cardinals. as of today he is no longer a cardinal and the pope has
suspended him, which moons theas not able to act as a priest. he cannot celebrate mass. he cannot do confirmations. so on. while a church investigation against him is unfolding. so what we have is fairly dramatic and rapid papal action against the highest rung of the catholic power structure. this kind of thing is really unprecedented since the early 20th century. >> we should point out he is innocent. the 88-year-old cardinal is one of the highest ranking american leaders to be removed because of sex abuse charges. >> all right. there was a number that everybody was buzzing ability. this 4 ontario 1% really strong economic growth number for the u.s. the strongest in four
years, in fact, it fulfills one of the president's big campaign promises. >> the question is what is it telling us about u.s. economy and where do we go from here? >> mark, kristi, the economic growth, there are details, top line, it grew, 4.1%. that is the strongest increase in 2016. president trump took no time holding a press conference to tout the numbers. this is only one report. his predecessors hit high remar remarks. the president said on friday
growth is sustainable and the he's right and strong growth remains, it can mark a high point. right now, economists are predicting a slower growth. in part because of one time factors in the second quarter, like a boom in exports, which surged %. some of that driven by orderers for soybeans. business investment was also a bright spot. many executives i talked to were feeling good, because of reduced tax cuts and concerns over trade and geopolitics could threaten that optimism. consumer spending and government spending increased as well, bottom line, these numbers are ro bust and will be a talking point tore republicans headed in mid-terms. it's not guaranteed the year will be strong. especially with the ongoing trade negotiations.
>> thank you. >> a family in northern california this morning, they're calling hospitals, they're calling shellers, because they're svenlg for two children and their great grandmother who had been missing the challenges ahead for the fear fighters working to gain an upper hand on this fire in california.
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welcome to saturday. it's just about 28 minutes past the hour. i'm krischristi paul. >> firefighters are battling a car fire in northern california. >> it has destroyed hundreds of homes and businesses. there are two firefighters who have died trying to stop the flames. this morning it's 5% contained. it's in that area and i can't help but look at what's behind you, what is left behind you, palm, for this family. >> yes, and it's heart breaking and let me just show you a little of thisle it tells the story the corona family lived here almost 30 years. we were speaking with chris
corona, he and his wife. they were reflecting on the times he has here. to give you a sense of what it's like to return to a house like this, extremely thrilled, relieved his parents mad it out, evacuated. still you look at what's left of the laundry room, for example, you can help but have your heart go out to a homeowner and someone who lived here. let's listen. >> it's unbelievable. you know, my parent bought this house when they moved up from san jose when i was born. then everyone else that put so much work into this house. i can't believe it's gone. you tow. all those memories, you know, childhood memories. you know, all the stuff that parents say that, you know you build it for your mom. i'm glad we got, my mom got all
the valuable stuff she wanted out. >> also, something else found in all this, chris pointed out that there was one green spot left of this entire piece of property. that was a bush and inside it they found the family cat missing and they were euphoric over that. burning down this house tells the larger tale. we have several major wildfires in california right now. in the over arching picture. some 89 large fires, most of them burning in the west. more than 900,000 acres. this is strapping resources, because you can't put all the crews, of course, this one or two places. firefighters are really up against it with this so far menacing fire season. >> thank you so much. a great point to make of how thin the resources are, for those people out there.
as we said, two firefight verse already died, meteorologist alisyn chinchar is here. weather plays a role to some degree? >> we were helping, there was some good indication for the firefighters out there. >> martin, i wish i had good news for you, the forecast maintains that hot dry conditions for not just, but for much of the west. that's the key here, california is thought the only state dealing. 13 to be compact are dealing with large fires. nearly 90 of them. this is just the large fires. this does not include the smaller fires spread out throughout these estates. car fires, 5% contained, ferguson fear 29% contained. those numbers are important the containment numbers you want as close to if not at 100%. unfortunately, we haven't seen
much movement in the past few days. again, because you have those hot and dry conditions. what you are looking at. you are actually seeing those pyrocumulus clouds form and take off. it's a fire cloud as it's often called is a cloud performed because of that fire, sometimes even volcanos can produce the same thing the key this inc. to note here is that the forecast is allowing these fires they have in the mast and will continue in the future to allow them the perfect conditions to spread. we have already have low humidities. strong winds and localized spots. again those temperatures will remain in triple digits for at least the next three-to-five days. >> allison, thank you so much. we will tell you russia is hosting international war games, dozens of countries, including china, is showing off the military might. >> the president met to discuss
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those conditions might be? >> reporter: well, frankly, not really. these would be i think the sorts of conditions that international diplomacy would expect. i think the russian would like to see progress on a level that they say were raised by vladimir putin and donald trump during that two hour secret meeting this helsinki some they would want to see official progress. we've seen hints on talks about syria, arms reduction, so that if there is a summit down the line, possibly after the mueller investigation has been concluded, there would be something substantive to talk about. i think, frankly, even from the russian perspective, the bromance between the two presidents is beginning to look a little awkward and from the russian perspective, they actually want to move it to substantive rules as a result of what this very warm relation would ipeer to be. >> sam, i want to ask you, there
is more, let's go onto the war games, what is exactly going on here? >> reporter: well, this is a kind of annual arms bizarre sedation of international military prowess, a bit like a kind of arms fair but on the hoof, there is even i think attaching biathlon, tank racing around the course the chinese will be bringing their latest aerospace investments, some of the planes they'd like to be selling to the sorts of what would have been in the olden days the eastern bloc countries, really a competition tore buyers between russia and china, principlely, and an opportunity to remind the world that russia is expanding its military capably capability. the russians are demonstrating
new technology way ahead of nato and advancing the idea that they should, indeed, be having the sums with u.s. presidents and others precisely to talk about about arms reduction. >> that plays in this, into that. >> sam kiley, i always learn something from you, thank you. the president held his first meeting focused solely on foreign interference, it discussed ways to help state and local elections officials as well. >> it didn't offer any plans to counter the russian plant that has interfered with the congressional campaigns. >> reporter: facing growing criticism, he hasn't focused enough on the election cyber security threat from russia, the president met with his national security team in the white house
situation room to discuss election interference, so far, vague on the details. >> rest assured, there are elections or to expose any external, by anybody, external efforts to influence the american public, it shows false news, that sort of thing. >> reporter: it comes as missouri's senator claire mccaskill accuses russian operatives of hacking into her office last year. saying in a statement, while this attack is not successful. it is outrageous if they will think they can get away wit. i said it before and again, putin is a thug and a bully. mccaskill is one run running for re-election this year. people have been targeted targeting democrats in 2016. >> they were people because of their positions might have been
interesting targets from an espionage standpoint as well as an election disruption standpoint. >> reporter: the hackers used sfauld phishing attacks. they are on high alert for similar pages they say they take down when discovered. it's the campaign rather than the voting systems among the most vulnerable targets. >> i think the fact is the campaign staffer will neff get to the level of these adversaries and staring them down. we're talking about the most sophisticated intelligence the russian intelligence, the iranians. >> reporter: the white house is coming under fire for not thwarting cyber threats. >> i think it's an aembarrassmet and the attention and focus on it we need. >> reporter: in may the national security council was eliminated.
national top officials are comparing the total state of danger to the months before the 9-11 attacks. >> i'm here to say the warning lights are here again. today the digital infrastructure u structure that serves this country is literally under attack. >> reporter: they oversee the country's defense on the voting structure. on offense, it's less clear with the nsa, fbi and military taking roles. >> we need more connective tissue, between people doing law enforcement and people charged with protecting our different assets in the digital realm. >> and last night senator mccaskill talked to our affiliate about the attempted hacking. >> we discovered because microsoft contacted the senate and the senate personnel let us know. so we have been aware of
thissest for months. >> is everybody in your office taking passwords at this point? >> we have any many steps. i have said many times putin is a thug and a bully andb who does not allow the people of russia to have freedom. >> that missouri senate race is considered the tossup. mccaskill is seeking re-election in a state that went for president trump in 2016. 55 box remains, u.s. service members handed of by north korea. but this peace offering may come with strings attached. and look at this, a bear gets stuck inside a pick-up truck and this is what he left.
vice president mike pence will head to hawaii wednesday to form alily receive what are believed to be the u.s. remains in the war with korea. >> cnn's will ripley reports. faye may soon give well into demand. >> reporter: just one week after his singapore sum with leader kim jong-un, president trump made this triumphant announcement. >> we got back our great fallen heroes the remains. in fact, today, already 200 have been sent back. >> reporter: but it took five more weeks for 55 sets of remains to arrive at south korea's osan airbase on the korean war armistice. pyongyang didn't approve it for hours keeping u.s. officials thanking. >> i want to thank them for
keeping his word. >> reporter: this confidence building measure would take more than six weeks, raising serious questions about the far more complex contentions over the de-nuke clearation. this week mike pompeo told the senate intelligence committee, north korea is still producing fuel for nuclear weapons fresh off a trip to pyongyang, little if any key issues and a widely perceived snub by kim jong-un, the u.s. was later criticized tore making what they called gangster-like demands. in may, north korean officials took cnn to what they claim was the destruction of this new test site. these new images show they may be dismantling a launching station. u.s. intelligence believes they
are upgrading key facility, including a missile plant and nuclear reactor. to the plans to not give up nukes any time soon. >> they have not done it a positive. if they have another ballistic missile test, that's a positive. >> they agreed to a concept of its own definition of de-nuke clear saegs, whatever that means and freezes it to let the heat go down. >> an official says north korea wantings sanction relief and a peace treaty or kim jong-un my consider walking away to the talks emboldened by his increasing relationship with allies russia and china. he could make it impossible to continue the max much pressure campaign. will ripley, cnn, seoul. >> i want to tell you about a
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>> we will leave with you this story. it's a black bear that somehow fixed out how to get into one man's pick-up truck. apparently the bear couldn't figure how to get out. this is what it looked like the very next day. >> oh my goodness, the man when ought tout check on the vehicle. he heard the horn below. apparently he through the horn and that's what he found inside. >> oh my goodness, he called police there, using a hoerngs mind you, to open the door from a safe enough distance. there goes the bear. he got out, eventually ran. we understand that he was going after gum in the console. how, i understand a bear has a very strong sense of scent, of food, but gum. >> probably a buck 50 worth of gum that just ended up with about 7,000 worth of damage
that was president trump taking a victory lap on the news that the u.s. economy grew at a robust rate at 4.1 percent in the second quarter. the fastest pace in almost 4 years. here with a look at what's behind that acceleration is - - chair of the white house council of economic advisory. nice to see you. 4.1 percent. economists predicted 4.4, as you look at the details of the report. what do you like in it? >> it goes back to a piece i wrote a while back that corporate tax cuts would cause a capital spending boom. if you look at the average of the first half of the year, we got a capital spending boom in the average growth is 3.1 percent. it's not often that economists can nail it that tightly and it showed its working exactly as we thought. >>paul: capital spending in the first quarter was more robust than in the second quarter.
do you have an explanation for that? >> one of the things that happened is for equipment spending you were allowed to expense it retroactive to october. in the fourth quarter of last year, you could deduct a machine at 35 percent so you get a bigger tax deduction. at the start of this year, the value went down to 21 percent to we expected to see a spike and then and negative number in the first quarter but in fact, we got the spike in the fourth quarter but continued strong growth.so capital spending by the way is one of those things when it pushes growth, it means the growth will be sustained. because now we have these new factories and machines in the u.s. over the next year's, they will produce more output. if you have a capital spending boom, you can expect that to be sustained growth. >>paul: here's another surprise, gdp of 4.1 percent came without any increase from residential housing. >> is actually down. one of the bad pieces of news in it.
what's the case for this being sustainable? you mentioned capital investment but what else? >> the other thing is the president has emphasized opening up areas for oil exploration. there was a big increase in drilling and mining activity consistent with that. the biggest story going to the second half of the year is a lot of times if the economy is really booming, then inventories will be drawn down because people are buying stuff more than producers are making. then that's a positive for the quarters ahead because the producers want to build up their inventories. it's up a percentage point from gdp growth and we expect you'll see that come back in the second half. last year in the fall, we said we see 3.1. the first tapestry .1 and were carrying into the second half,
this inventory which could go higher. >>paul: the other big economic policy issue is trade. we are beginning to see an earnings call from ceos and anecdotal reporting that we get, they are saying, it's creating uncertainty and i will hold off investing in that plant or my costs are going up so i have to worry about how i manage that. how big a headwind is trade policy going forward? >> in the second quarter, trade was a big positive. net exports skyrocketed. i think that's a sign that maybe one of the effects of the stress to you mentioned is that people are reassuring activity now in anticipation of future uncertainty. but make no mistake, the president has guaranteed the american people he would get them better trade deals. he's assured me over and over that his objective is tomove toward reciprocal deals even , 0-0 deals. i would have to say to people hoping for that outcome must be really happy about the meeting
we had this week with the eu because they removed the ball in the direction of freer and fair trade this week. >>paul: are we going to get a nafta deal before the fall? that thisrepublican congress ca on? wax i'm not >> i'm not a negotiator but what i'm hearing is that they are making tremendous progress. my guess is that we will see something before the fall but i'm not the person authorized to comment on those things. it is amazing the progress they are making. >>paul: thanks for being here. when we come back, united states and the european union declare a tariff terms as the two sides continue to negotiate a larger trade deal. is the over or are there hurdles ahead? great question. see, for a full service brokerage like ours, that's tough to do. schwab does it. next question.
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>> absolutely. by the way, when you impose tariffs as the president has been doing with china and elsewhere, those efforts are felt immediately in these people's districts. he's been getting a lot of pushback from the ag sector in different parts of manufacturing sector and even from his own economic team saying we can't keep going down this road. >>paul: james, what do you make of the trade agenda going forward. as you look at the gdp numbers, did you see any impact of trade, the trade policies in the numbers?>> you saw a nice contribution from exports. that's a nice reminder that and everyone included, this is part of the growth strategy. >>paul: but some of that people think, let's get our ahead of the tariffs and sell the soybeans. we may not get that balance in the second or third quarter? >> i'm sure that was part of it but balanced somewhat by the
fear of trade fights discouraging some investment. all the capital investment was terrific, it wasn't quite as good as the first quarter. i think some of that was people being afraid to pull the trigger on a new that we not knowing how this new trade stuff would be resolved. going forward, it's really striking the tone of these trade discussions has changed. starting with the g-7 where the present at the end says how about zero tariffs? now he's got the germans excited about it. let's hope that is the discussion but how do we lower instead of raise them. >>paul: is that the larry kudlow affect? >> i don't know. this trump reminds me of totalt mcgraw. load the bases at the end of the game and then strike them out was terrifying until the end. [laughter] he isn't looking for
protectionism, is looking for zero tariffs. >>paul: the trump administration putting those auto tariffs on hold as they continue negotiations. senator - - and what that means for the auto industry in tennessee and across the country, when we come back. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it to sign up with a different insurance company. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪
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and auto parts. but that would be put on hold as talks between the u.s. and the eu continue. this is good news for tennessee senator lamar alexander who introduced a bipartisan bill to delay the proposed 25 percent penalty. he joins us now. welcome. >> thank you paul. >>paul: you cheered this truce between the united states and the eu, why? >> zero tariffs is exactly the right policy. that's what we did with the north american free trade agreement. we implemented nearly 0 tariffs over 15 years. now that we've got a policy of where were going, zero tariffs, time to get rid of the steel and aluminum tariffs which are driving the cost of cars and hurting the 136,000 tennesseans that work in the automotive industry.
>>paul: you heard wilbur ross say this week that he's still going to go ahead with these investigations. which basically are designed to show, to answer the question, do cars that are imported pose a national security threat? do you think bmws or nissans imported are at all plausibly a national security threat? >> of course they are not. it's wrong for the president to use that pretext. the bread-and-butter part of this is of this.tennessee has become in many ways the number one auto state. we've got 929 auto parts suppliers. 50 percent of the cars we make here are steel. 10 percent are aluminum. when the price of steel goes up, 40 percent as it has since january, think of what that does to our economy and the jobs in tennessee. we are shooting ourselves in the foot with the tariffs and it's time to do with the
president said this week, zero tariffs and the sooner the better. >>paul: you hear from the companies in tennessee that their costs are going up on their supply chains, they are being disruptive because of the tariffs? >> of course i am. you saw this week that ford and general motors, gm has a big plant in tennessee. they announced they each lost $300 million this year. they have to tell that to their stockholders and they attributed most of that to the tariffs. you can't be in the zero tariffs world which is where the president wants to go and raise the price of steel 40 percent and still make cars and trucks in tennessee that are competitive to sell in the united states or export around the world, which we do a lot. >>paul: how many cars are made in tennessee remark you've got a nissan plant and a volkswagen any gm plant. how many of those cars are exported outside the united
states? >> i don't know the exact number but it's billions of dollars of cars that are exported. and billions of parts are exported. the real employment in our state is with the 900+ auto parts suppliers. the way you make automobiles, a nissan rogue will go back and forth with its parts to canada, mexico and back to tennessee before it's finally built. that permits it to be built in a competitive way at a low cost and sold successfully here and exported around the world. >>paul: your colleague bob corker has introduced a bill with other colleagues to take back some of the president's authority to use 232 and that national security definition to impose tariffs. he hasn't been able to get a vote on that with some of your colleagues in the senate. why not?
>> getting a vote on anything is hard in the senate. i am the cosponsor of that bill. i think the visits we've had with the president, senator corker's bill, my bill, all of the activity we've had in the senate to say tariffs are shooting ourselves in the foot. really shooting ourselves in both feet. we have a trade problem but the way you solved it is not to shoot yourself in the foot. you find some other way to deal with it. now that the president has said let's go to zero tariffs, which is the same thing japan and china are doing with each other. same thing we did with the nafta. i think we've had our impact and i suspect we'll get a vote as time goes on. >>paul: the president also saying trying to renegotiate nafta. what's your advice on nafta? are using let's close this negotiation so we can have a vote this congress? >> yes. let's get it done before september. nafta has been good for
tennessee. we've doubled the amount of cars and jobs and it's been good for the united states in my opinion. the president disagrees with that. we are making about as many cars in the united states today as we did when nafta was signed in 1944. the only difference is, we've had 3.5 million jobs shift not overseas but from the midwest to tennessee and other states in the southeast because of right to work and it's more competitive. my advice would be finished the work on nafta. modernize it. that can be done. get it done by september and give us a signal about where these tariffs are going. we need an end to shooting ourselves in the foot. that's a good way to solve a problem. >>paul: senator, i appreciate you being here. still ahead, immigrants are
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you are fighting against it. >>paul: that was new jersey democrat this week rallying the opposition to supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. democrats are stepping up the rhetoric and digging in for what they hoped would be a protracted fight demanding access from millions of documents from cavanaugh's years in government including his time as staff secretary in the bush white house. mitch mcconnell says despite the democratic delay tactics, he will get a vote on the senate floor before the midterm elections. we are back with - - bill, are the democrats making headway against brett kavanaugh? >> i don't think so. they think they can - - brett kavanaugh. it's a different situation.
it was 45 minutes after the announcement was made the white house was unprepared, the judge was on prepares it i think the attacks may be nastier but there's a hint of desperation. as long as the republicans hang together, he will be confirmed. they might get one-to democratic votes because the democratic in the trump seats might be more - - and then those against him. >>paul: this document requesting they want all the documents for his time during the bush white house. that is a clearinghouse for the president. all of the documents coming through him and he make sure the president sees them and they're in the shape the president wants them. should the senate have the right to see all of those? >> no, absolutely not. that is not the precedent. we have had prior supreme court
nominees for whom the executive branch have said some things are off-limits. particularly, elaina kagan where the argument was her time at the solicitors general office, some of those documents were too critical to be exposed. this argument that they should be able to see every piece of paper he touched and initialed while he was there is not going to fly. you have susan collins, one of those key swing republican votes that says i don't need to see that. that's way more than necessary. and chuck grassley who is head of the judiciary committee who will make this final call. think we will get you the paper from white house counsel but not everything thing he touched as staff secretary and that's a reasonable standard. >>paul: they are talking about providing a lot of documents at the white house counsel's office but it's that staff secretary position where i would argue james, those documents really don't relate
to brett kavanaugh's thinking. they relate to the decisions that george w. bush made as president. therefore, they're not really relevant to the court. where as the solicitor general's, that would have told you what a lot of elaina kagan thought about judicial issues and still the obama admission did not turn those documents over. >> speaking of elaina kagan, when she was running harvard law school, she hired brett kavanaugh to teach there. this shows you that rhetoric we saw from senator booker is over-the-top. it's if he's kim jong-un or something. i think it relates to the desperation of democrats to find something. the republicans are saying we will provide hundreds of thousands of pages of emails and documents and they are saying no, millions.
more than 300 open from judge cavanaugh. that's not enough to get some sense of where he's headed? there's nothing in there that would disqualify him. so this is an increasingly frantic search. >>paul: let's talk about what to brett kavanaugh things about presidential power. there's one case, the famous watergate tapes case. nixon had to turn those tapes over. judge cavanaugh was on a panel in the late 90s where he was in a discussion with democrats from bill clinton's defense team. he said maybe u.s./nixon was wrongly decided. >> i think it's ridiculous bid
on a panel, you should be able to say let's think about this and think about the premise. if you can't do that in a panel discussion, we are in a really bad place. he wrote a law review article before that he was firmly on the side of the decision. and chuck grassley, pushing back on chuck schumer, he has a long record and that's what should matter. i will go out on a limb, i think he will get 52 votes. >>paul: what about rand paul? will he be a problem? his raised concerns about the fourth amendment. >> he did meet with brett kavanaugh this week. we haven't heard a lot about where that meeting went. rand paul will often raise these issues. remember he said he was going to vote against mike pompeo. he voted for him in the end. become a real ally of the president so it looks as though republicans are standing together. >>paul: a group of republicans escalating their view with
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recess but supporters say all options are on the table when congress returns in september. we are back with james freeman, kim - - and bill mcgurn. how seriously should we take this threat to impeach rod rosenstein? >> even though the word this week was impeachment, the word everyone was all that was contempt. mark meadows, the head of the freedom caucus after they filed those articles of impeachment and after paul ryan said he disagreed, he gave a little talk. he said he spent the day with leadership. that his group was backing off impeachment but what everyone decided and rallied around, if they come back after their break in august and the department of justice is still not compliant, they will rally around a contempt resolution against rod rosenstein and the department of justice. which is probably a more accurate description of what's been going on rather than high crimes and misdemeanors. >>paul: contempt is no small thing. congress, if they took it far
enough, could call for the arrest of someone who's in contempt of congress. you made a really strong argument in your columns that if congress doesn't enforce its subpoenas, it's losing its authority to oversee the executive. do you want an impeachment? >> i could use an impeachment in the sense that i'm not opposed to any constitutional exercise of power. congress gets to decide high crimes and misdemeanors. if you go back to the federalist papers it's not just treason or bribery. however, i think contempt is a more perfect vehicle in the sense it's been used before against officials not giving documents. when you find someone in contempt, there are three options. you make a criminal referral to the justice department. you could go to the courts in a civil action. or you can jail them in your own jail. congress doesn't have a jail but they could make a deal. i am personally for the last
one because the first to have proved they don't work. >>paul: here's the problem for me, i don't think impeachment is good politics of republican congressmen trying to impeach a republican attorney general. rod rosenstein works for donald trump. he can at any minute saying, turnthose documents over to con. i will do the declassify them. why won't he do that? >> i wish he would. it would allow americans to learn how surveillance was turned - - [indiscernible]. this is kind of dangerous for a democracy. rosenstein is de facto operating without a boss on these matters. >>paul: his boss is the president. >> sort of. >>paul: he works for the president of the united states. >> any attempt by the president
to manage rod rosenstein is seen as a horrible conflict by many on the left. >>paul: if he declassified the documents, he wouldn't be covering up anything. he would simply be sang let's let the public see the record. how could they criticize him for that? i think he should declassify everything it doesn't mean congress doesn't also have a responsibility to conduct oversight. i think when people don't cooperate, we see these markings taking out this redacted material, it's understandable they would take measures to demand the information. >> i agree. it baffles me that donald trump doesn't do this. however, the congress and president are co-equals in the branch of government. until they exercise their power, they're not going to be taken seriously.
>>paul: talk about the fisa documents. the fisa warrant on carter page that was released this week. what was your take away from that? >> the key take away is that what house republicans claimed the fbi did were in fact true. that is what happened. the main argument that house intelligence committee devin nunes made back in february was that the fbi made this steel.ca an essential part of their application to the fisa court and had not told the court where it had come from. both of those things were spelled out crystal clear in that fisa application. this should be very concerning to a lot of americans. it means the fbi was using political dirt to obtain surveillance warrant on another campaign. >>paul: we are following this, continue to follow this.when we come back, as president
trump intensifies his rhetoric against the - - regime. we will look at the strategy against iran.
it's a difference you can see, touch, and feel. that's proudly particular. century. only at select local paint and hardware stores. >> it's time for iran to shape up and show responsibility as a responsible nation. it cannot continue to show irresponsibility as some revolutionary organization that is intent on exploiting terrorism, exporting disruption across the region. i think the president would make it very clear that they're on the wrong track. >>paul: that was secretary jim mattis responding to president trump's stark warning to iranian president - - that warning coming in the form of
an all caps too sang key west dire consequences if he continued to threaten the united states. - - good to have you back with us. we've got the tweets back and forth it might compile giving a speech this week. a speech that i thought was very good. and many statements from the administration. what is the trump administration's policy toward iran? >> i think from what we can tell so far, it is we're not going to simply isolate the iranian nuclear program from the rest of iran's maligned activity. that's why the president walked away from the deal in may why sanctions will snap back into place in november. i think beyond that, this is an administration that will not put up with threats with closing the - - which is something they have alluded to in recent weeks. i think that explains the presidents tweets. and more broadly, we are announcing a policy being laid
out why secretary of state mike pompeo, that we are now basically going to launch an assault on the legitimacy of the iranian regime. that it has pilfered funds from its own people. that is responsible for most of the unrest we are seeing across the middle east and that the u.s. will go on a counteroffensive which i believe is long overdue. >>paul: you've got on the one hand, let's rewrite the nuclear deal so it's more constraining. push back against iran's middle east activities venture resume elsewhere in the middle east. and three, question the jetta misty of the iranian regime. that sounds to me, maybe we have a policy of regime change. is that what we are talking about? >> not sure we can call it exactly that. my compile delivered a speech at the reagan library.
i think he was trying to echo president reagan on the assault of the legitimacy of the soviet union. would you say reagan's policy was a regime change in the soviet union or trying to support the dissidents of the people of the soviet union to rise up against an illegitimate government the one you are. >>paul: you are right. it was telling the truth about the soviet union in a way that might echo through soviet society. it's interesting what might come pao did asmike pompeo did . - - presumably, they would tell the truth that they can't get inside iran as well. >> i think that strategy is incredibly important. part of the problem is that iranians don't understand the united states is behind them
and there is a truthful narrative out there. unfortunately, i think that's born by misbegotten policies in years past. we had the opportunity in 2009 to stand with the iranian people as thousands came into the streets after the - - rigged election. the obama administration elected not to stand on the side of the iranianpeople . again, i think with the iran nuclear deal, providing$150 $15 billion was a legitimization of the regime and it was a message that we were not with the people. we are seeing a shift in policy and i think we are trying to message to them directly. whether through media or mike pompeo's speech. if you look at the people in attendance at the reagan library, many of them were iranian americans in california and beyond. i think it was important that
they were in the audience. that he was speaking to them directly. >>paul: is one question i have that i think will be a test of this policy. in syria, the iranians are trying to establish a permanent beachhead. israel doesn't want that at all and the united states doesn't want that either. i don't see from the attitude of the white house or this administration, any appetite to push hard to get iran out of syria, other than talking about and begging putin to help us. >> that's exactly right point what iran is doing is stretching its influence from its western border all the way to the mediterranean. some are calling it the shiite crescent. they're using the revolutionary guard corps. i think no one has stopped to them to this point. the failure to prevent them from getting that foothold across the middle east. in my view it would be obama
2.0. everything the trump administration is doing to counter would be for not if we don't stop them in terms of the regional ambitions. >>paul: have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week.
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so kudos for raising the issue. >> kim? >> a hit to the interior department for the proposed modest regulatory revisions to the endangered species act. with the goal of making that both more predictable and effective. this is caused the usual meltdown on the environmental area but they have no answers to a law that has failed and has not been revised in 25 years. any efforts here to help those that struggle with this every day ought to be applauded. >> bill? requester innocent businesses that have been hit by the terrace. we've a new one, the trump 2020 campaign.the keep america great banners are coming from china. 90,000 of them. the factor manager there says there are about one dollar apiece.he thinks the campaign has ordered so many because they expect the price to go up with tariffs. a big hit to the flag factory
for not letting politics get in the way of trade. >> all right, thank you very much for that. i'm sure the trump campaign will appreciate it. that is it for this week. thank you to my panel, thanks to all of you for watching. i am paul gigot. i hope to see you all right here next week. >> trump taking a victory lap over strong report on the economy before touching down in new jersey. where he is spending his weekend. economic numbers coming in a good time for the president. it was fresh off of a turbulent week at the white house.hello everyone welcome to a new hour of "americas news headquarters". i am mike emanuel. >> i'm julie banderas. good afternoon. the report shows the u.s. economy grew at a 4.1 percent annual rate in the second quarter of the year. the fastest since 2014. the president quickly praising the numbers yesterday.
>> an economic turnaround of historic proportions. when it came to office 1.5 fewer prime age americans were working than eight years before. we had lost almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs under the previous administration. julie: ellison barber is live from new jersey near the president that mr. golf club. reporter: the white house is love in the economy. they think it is great news for them. some say this is essentially a sugar high, a short term, it is not sustainable long-term. the white house says it is sustainable. the president says the economy is something that will help republicans win in november. >> i will go to work very hard six or seven days a week when we are 60 days out. and i will be campaigning for all of these great people that do have a difficult race.
and we think we are going to bring them over the like. so i really believe because we are doing so well as a country and so well with the economy, i think we are going to be surprising a lot of people. reporter: there are a lot of stories surrounding the white house and a lot of them are not particularly great. they are arguably overshadowing the economic message the white house wants to focus on right now. one issue, allegations from the former lawyer michael cohen about the trump tower meeting with russian officials in 2016. another, the press shops decision to bar a cnn reporter from an open press event after she tried to ask the president questions. mostly about michael cohen in the oval office. the move was condemned by the majority of press outlets including fox news. >> is not going to be a standard moving forward? because i am a newbie and i've only been in the oval office once. i know i continue to shout questions at the same reporter after i was told to leave, leslie.
and i did not have similar repercussions. >> that particular video it was clear that it was ongoing in terms of asking questions over and over again. it was already clear after five or six, seven times they told them to leave the oval office. again, this more of a matter being respectful to our guests at the white house. >> no regret about the decision? >> no. there is constant communication with the press. reporter: no public events on the president's schedule today. he is set to go south this week on tuesday and to tampa will heal attend a campaign rally. julie: ellison barber, thank you very much. mike: the booming economy also spark a reaction from vice president mike pence s&m with maria bartiromo. a wide-ranging exclusive interview. that heirs to mauritanian eastern on "sunday morning futures". here's a preview.
>> the reality is in the last two administrations, the economy grew by less than two percent. in the first few much of the ministration we are little shy lester we are on track to be at three percent or better this year. we really believe the internals of the numbers, whether it be the dramatic increase in business investment or dramatic increase in american exports, all support the conclusion that the policies the president has been advancing, that republican congress has supported directly working to revive the economy. mike: new jersey republican congressman on the house energy and commerce committee and my guess, great to have you, sir. >> thank you. >> this is a pretty wonky number. how do explain the big number, 4.1 percent yesterday to the constituents? >> i think it is due to a series of factors including regulatory reform and it has been the past by congress repeatedly in the last year and 1/2. and also, the tax policy.
although, i think we have to be careful about that. i am a free trader, mike. i hope to return to free-trade, because i think that is the way to sustain this. 4.1 percent is terrific. long-term, i hope it is three percent over the course of this year and next year moving forward. and in the last year the obama administration it was not as strong. i do not think that we can maintain 4.1 percent forever but i would like to see three percent growth moving forward. >> you represent a pretty traditional republican district in the big blue state of new jersey. how are you feeling about your reelection bid in your party holding onto the majority? >> i think whichever party controls the new house of representatives will be very re- narrow margin. i think the republicans have the opportunity to retain control. but i take nothing for granted. the democrats carried my district to the presidential
level last time. by 3800 votes, hillary clinton. i won by 38,000 votes. obviously i like the extra zero at the end of that number. but i am optimistic without being overly optimistic because i think it is always important to make sure that we represent the views of our constituents and i am confident that my views, the moderate conservative are the overwhelming majority of constituents i sir. >> full disclosure, i grew up there, you are a big town hall guy. you get out there and really interact with your constituents. is that an opportunity to know how you are doing but how the policies are playing back home? >> yes. we've done 47 town hall meetings and some of them have been very vigorous but i respect the interaction with constituents. sometimes those constituents who attend town hall meetings wish to be vigorous and what they are saying but i think it is an essential part of my responsibilities and i've always conducted them.
>> looking ahead to the midterm the president said he was to be very active on the campaign trail. here is what he told sean hannity on the radio yesterday. >> i said to general kelly, i said, to a whole group of people we have to get a group together. give me the top 25 congresspeople that or you know, could go either way. and i want to go out and campaign for those people. likewise with the senate. because we're going to fix everything once we have -- >> considering your district and being from a very blue state, would you prefer that the president campaigned elsewhere, respectively? >> i've always campaigned on my own and i think that will be the case this year. i support the administration and the policy related to isis, they've done a much better job in the area. i support moving the embassy to jerusalem. i think that was a promise that had been made by a series of presidents and kept by this president. but i do disagree with the position on tariffs.
i am a free trader. and i favor moving forward in an extremely bipartisan capacity. that will require, of course that the democrats come to the table because i do not want to see the house of representatives that is far to the left.and that will be the case in my judgment if my district were to go in the other direction. >> some of your colleagues are already starting to talk about leadership in the next congress. do you have a favorite for the next house speaker? >> i think kevin mccarthy is the leader. i think he has been an excellent majority leader and i do not want to count chickens before the as are hatched because we have to make sure we have the majority. then i think it will be great controversy on the other side. regarding nancy pelosi and the position of speaker or i hope, minority leader. and of course, some democrats say they would not support nancy pelosi for the leadership position. that is not true in the district i serve but the
democrats who have seem to be successful so far have distanced themselves from the current democratic leadership in the house. mike: taking a look at the other side a little bit. do you expect a bloodbath in terms of their leadership? you know, they have such consistent leadership for so long with nancy pelosi and others. then you look at some of the fresh faces that have come up. every democratic socialist running in new york who took out one of the top democrats, joe crowley. what do you see on the other side? >> i see the other side moving far to the left. self-proclaimed lifelong progressive democrats for example, in my district, that is not where think the district is. i think the nation demands bipartisan cooperation. i am a member of what is called the problem solvers caucus. a moderate conservative.there some moderate democrats but i do think there will be a battle royal for the leadership position on the democratic
side. >> congressman, leonard lance, from the great state of new jersey, i can say that! thank you for coming in. >> thank you. mike: a reminder tomorrow morning on sunday morning futures, maria bartiromo with vice president mike pence. they cover a wide range of topics including the tariffs, gop strategy for midterms, confirming judge brett kavanaugh and the planned trip to hawaii to receive the remains of americans killed in the korean war. that is tomorrow at 10 am eastern right here on fox news channel. julie: all right, a fox news alert. officials are holding an update on the car fire in california and what they are doing to combat the raging flames of the deadly car fire, it has doubled in size again to over 80,000 acres. almost the size of philadelphia. the city of philadelphia. thousands have been forced to flee, 500 buildings escorts,
two firefighters have been killed trying to contain this. we'll continue to monitor this and bring you updates throughout the day. meanwhile the white house on federal aid to california as crews their battle several explosive wildfires. now more resources on the way. we have our meteorologist, adam, tracking how the extreme heat and gusty wind could make matters worse. but first, jeff paul on the ground with the latest. reporter: firefighters here tell us that they are preparing for conditions to get worse. so for the creston fire where we are at is 70 percent contained but in the last hour so the wind has really started to pick up and as you take a look to the side of me, you can see the giant plumes of smoke coming from that mountain. that is what crews are worried about. they've been out here hitting the spire hard.
helicopters are flying overhead as they dump water, hoping to douse the remaining flames. for the north in redding california, this fire remains a huge threat. in fact, a few minutes ago cal fire issued a new round of even more evacuations. it is on top of the thousands and thousands who already have been ordered to evacuate. there's a bulldozer operator, firefighter and some families are reporting their missing loved ones. and for terms of damage, 80,000 acres and it is only five percent contained. many residents in the area are scrambling to get to safety leaving behind everything they own. >> through a few things in the car, we driving back out and get out of here. as we pulled out right here the flames were not even one block down. swirling and noise, wind blowing. i mean it was just, nothing i have ever heard. reporter: back out here live, in idyllwild, you can see the giant plumes of smoke going
into the air. every once in a while a helicopter will come over and dump water from the nearby lake. here's what they're worried about. everything out here is extremely dry. all of the pine needles and pinecones. anytime embers go airborne, it is a potential for another fire to start. julie? julie: thank you, jeff paul. mike: conditions in northern california expected to get worse. red flag warning said are now up amid extreme heat and gusty wind. adam is tracking all of this. adam: the entire western half of the country is dealing with wildfires. 73 of them, greater than 100 acres. obviously some of the largest and california. these are all of the spots that have been dealing with such dry conditions and windy conditions the last several days. unfortunately, you are right it is going to be continuing. here is what some of the dangers, they continue in northern california. when you start to see red flag
warning, what does it mean? the wind is strong in these areas. humidity is very low and they can to to deal with a lot of heat. also looking at spots in southern oregon. in a large area moving across portions of nevada stretching up into colorado. the wildfires really stretching across the west. this is something to watch the next couple of days. unfortunately, it comes with all the heat and the heat is not going anywhere. this is the current heat advisors. you are looking at spots across portions of southern california running all the way up the west coast. again, oregon up to washington. the heat is extreme and humidity is very low. the wind is continuing also. the forecasted highs today and a lot of the locations running into the triple digits. spots getting close to 110 degrees in phoenix. that is the case up and down portions of california, redding california 110 today. it does not collect the next couple of days as you're looking at again, 110 degrees for folks in northern
california. tomorrow throughout the entire state, spots in the triple digits. this also unfortunately, lingers into monday. with all of this on top of tha , you really need rounds of showers. those are not on the way. we have seen some pop up showers but some of the worst hit areas in northern california over to nevada continue to be dry. and as we run out here the next couple of days, it does look as though things will be staying dry and we will not get a lot in the way ofrain. mike: triple digits can temperatures, no rain, thank you. julie: the president firing back at his former personal attorney. as he comes out with a new allegation against the president. michael cohen reportedly claiming the president knew in advance about the 2015 trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer. will have reaction from washington straightahead. plus the trump administer sustained have met a court order deadline to reunite families as the battle over immigration heats up. >> we are calling to ensure
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reuniting families separated at the border.homeland security saying a statement quote - it ministration continues to comply in good faith at the courts request. while protecting the safety and well-being of all children in our care. some illegal alien adults are not eligible for or available for reunification today. including some adults who are not in i.c.e. custody. garrett tenney is live in washington. reporter: parents are not eligible because a ready been deported of the country. this morning the aclu slammed the administration for allowing this to happen.tweeting in part some 463 parents were deported without their children. in the government isn't even trying to reunite them. dhs says they're making every effort to reunify eligible adults with their children. they claim some parents are not eligible because of criminal records and others decided not
to be reunited with their children. so that the kids can stay here in the u.s. with family members while the court process plays out. in hopes of being granted asylum. in a court filing this week lawyers with the aclu argued some of the parents either misunderstood or were misled by the government. they were never meant to leave the children in the us. democratic lawmakers are suggesting some parents and children may never be reunited. in a statement one center said a lack of accountability in the administration is stunning. there appears to be no plans to beautify children with parents who have already been deported without their informed consent and no guidelines as to how the administration is deciding who is eligible to be reunited and who is not. this issue is not going away anytime soon. the head of customs and border protections is expected to face a lot of tough questions on tuesday when he testifies
before the senate judiciary committee. what questions is short to be what the process and timeline will be to reunify those remaining kids. mike: garrett tenney, thank you. julie: for more on the suffering and democratic strategist steve brown. brad blakeman former deputy assistant to george w. bush. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on. there is a court filing on thursday. which released the numbers. the government said this. among the child migrants in the country, 1820 children ages five through 17 were eligible to be reunited with their families. in all, 2531 children were separated at the border. that means more than 700 children were not approved for reunification. so how does the process work, brad, to decide whether or not parents history makes him ineligible to be reunited with their children? >> is on a case-by-case basis. we have twos records, we have two interviews. we have to make sure the children are being but with the people who can care for them.
that's how they got here in the first history of forced borders, democrats will not secure the border that's how we got the mess. it did not start with trump and it will not end with trump.we have to stop the influx of people were willing to bring their children here illegally or smugglers who bring children here. the key is the president and the administration is acting in good faith to solve this problem. julie: dave? >> look, one child not reunited with his or her mom and dad is one too many. if that families eligible for reunification. you heard from the report, this government, this administer agent, donald trumps administration deported over 400 parents before reunited them with their kids. now the kids are trapped here. there without their moms and dads and no clear path forward to reunite them. this policy fails from day one
because it is repugnant to who we are as a people. it is morally apprehensible. but what's striking to me, beyond the chaotic indifference and cruelty to these families, it just underscores how this administration is just so incompetent. not only on this issue, but on so many other issues. whether it is looking at tariff policies with farmers which -- julie: have to jump in. just to put into perspective here. it is not the trump administration, however, the obama administered in the in fact if you come in illegally need to be detained. but before a settlement in 1997 that essentially put a 20 day. if the child was detained for a day over 20 days, you're breaking the law.in other words this it ministration by going forward with jeff sessions zero-tolerance policy, made at the loft, essentially, that if you're detained for over 20 days you have to be separated. and that is why the separation -- not necessarily a law to do so, this settlement only states
20 days and up. the judge last week that filed for the 20 days settlement to be wiped out, the families can stay together is that a good i guess, compromise? because you have to add to the numbers that was just brought up of the 431 parents that have been deported. said i have official have to work with the courts and have to figure out how to find the parents in order to reunite them with their children. and they are still detained in the us. it is a total mess!>> it is a total mess and again, it was not created by the trump administration. it was created by the fact that we have -- people are willing to bring the children or smuggle children into the united states. either for them to leave and have the children stay and remain while they leave and they are here with others. this is a system that is broken from the beginning. they can't get into the country unless we have secure borders.
>> brad, hang on a second. >> we are fighting tooth and nail -- we have a problem we should fix it. we should not have the courts determining the policy. >> when you serve president bush, like president obama is administration, they look at a policy of separating. a zero-tolerance policy separating kids and families. both your administration and the obama administration rejected that. it is not a characterization to say this is not something of donald trump and is doing. -- julie: there was no law that says you have to separate parents. >> it takes away prosecutorial discretion. which triggers other laws produce a policy choice by this administration. it is disingenuous to say otherwise. >> no. it was based on condition we children were separated. when there was no law the fact is the administration is trying to get a handle on a system
that is totally broken from top to bottom with democrats -- democrats are tripping over themselves to get over the border, to get to the photo op and get back to exploit the very children that they -- [multiple speakers] >> there is no bipartisan -- [multiple speakers] julie: the statement in 2013 that there was an opportunity for republicans and democrats to come together and try to fix this mess before it gets to where it is today. >> it was never done in good faith. they never wanted to solve the problem. the reason they did not have the spine to do is because they used it as leverage for other things. the democrats are so disingenuous. they do not want to secure the border. if we had a secure border they would be coming in.
julie: i believe -- it was the democrats in fact, the obama it ministration that were very adamant about wanting to secure our borders. so i have to disagree that the democrats have not wanted this. it does seem, however, that now there is a republican in office, the agenda seems to be shifting a bit because now the protection of all of these under age children in the country is starting to take center stage. which is unfortunate but it is a fact that these are human children. clearly you cannot forget that it is taking with the conversation of immigration control. which is something the democrats did want. i don't know what happened with -- >> here is the problem -- >> you have record numbers of deportation -- [multiple speakers] julie: here we are in 2018. let's move forward.
you had to foresee this happening. the process of separating a five-year-old from their mother or father and now, this minor illegal immigrant with noah to take responsibility for them here in the united states is now in the hands of u.s. taxpayers while their parents, over 400 of them have been shipped back to their country. how much of this whole separation mess will end up costing americans? brad, i leave and then gave the final word. >> it cost us dearly. we don't want to see this. we don't want that responsibility. we should not have that responsibility but we do. and we want, illegal immigrants in this country, to have the custody while in the care of the american government. so we can deal with it he monetarily. >> final word. >> it is cost us and our moral integrity. who we are as a people and it will cost us millions of dollars to the american taxpayer because of the failed policy that donald trump has of his own creation. julie: that is it for now. thank you very much. mike: a star nfl quarterback
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the president taken to twitter yesterday to reinforce the claim he has made several times. saying, i did not know of the meeting with my son. sounds like to me someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam. the president son is also long assisted his father had no knowledge of the meeting. >> it was such a nothing, there is nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even been remembered until he started scouring through things which is a shame.>> someone like the recording between the president and his lawyer. now they are speaking out painting an unflattering portrait of michael cohen. >> number one, elected people about taping the president and other people. not only that, he went and --
to do it. it shows how pathological he is. >> looking ahead in a few days the trial of the former campaign manager, paul manafort will kick off in arlington, virginia. insiders anticipate witnesses there will also be asked about the meeting. mike: gillian turner, thank you very much bit more and thus less bring a former federal prosecutor doug burns. great to have you here. >> thank you. mike: how big of a deal are the michael cohen recordings? those who do not like the present are quick to say aha! but is it a big deal? >> everyone is quick but this really does apply. we have a legal process in court with tapes, by the way. we look at it really closely for voice inflection, audibility, things like that. context. i've been working with tapes for three decades.the point is, i'm not judging one way or the other. but when he says pay cash versus don't pay cash. it depends, there has to be a forensic expert to look at what the words are. the point is, i do not think it is as earth shattering as it has been made out to be. the cash thing is interesting. donald trump is in real estate. if you tell me you bought a
building, if it's an all cash deal doesn't mean you have a suitcase -- as a lawyer i don't prejudge.mike: do you think that michael cohen was trying to protect himself? >> i do. it is interesting i was talking to friends earlier this afternoon. it is really a double edge sword because on the one hand is outrageous, why would a lawyer tape a client? it is highly unusual but there's also the flip argument. and that is what law is, to side. dad had to protect himself against something. so it really is a tie. mike: the president has said he did not know about this 2016 meeting between his son, donald junior and a russian lawyer. here is a california congressman on it. >> if he is proven to have not told the whole truth about the fact that campaigns look for dirt and if someone offers that you listen to them, no one will
be surprised. there are some things in politics a just take for granted. mike: what do you make of it? >> as part of the problem. everyone is working backwards as though it is some nefarious federal crime.it is not necessarily. there are factual scenarios where it could be a crime, money changing hands, conspiracy to break laws. will understand that peer but the fact of taking a meeting i think everyone again, a little too quick to jump. in fairness, the collateral point about lying about it, absolutely. that can create legal exposure. donald trump jr. said he did not tell his father. investigators were drilling him, maybe someone else told him. again, you have to carefully weigh in. mike: since michael cohen was his mr. fix it, i'm sure the president and those close to him are not particularly comfortable with him at this point. >> is a fascinating question. because in this toxic climate it is funny because a figure can be embraced one day and
then hated the next day. that is what happened here. michael cohen was a confidant, the fixer, the cohn of the earliest part of donald trump career. he was embraced as a inner-circle member. now he is hated, terrible, lying etc. it is a bit of a roller coaster. it's funny how they show giuliani saying he is not credible then there's a soundbite a month ago saying he was credible. all jokes aside you go into court listen to the person, we evaluate credibility taking it from the jury, the matter in which a person testifies their intelligence, the delivery, whether they are calm and the absolute standard, the extent to what they're saying backed up or corroborated by other evidence. and to use what he is saying, they'll have to back it up and corroborate it. mike: from experience, there are recordings. is it your expectation that
robert mueller and his team are aware and going through them? or is this michael cohen trying to cut a deal? >> a great question. the point is, they have recordings and where your question goes, mike, wait a minute, how did this get in front of the public? the team has been close, they have not leaked this. they say, would michael cohen have leaked this? no, i don't believe so because it does not help him. i think giuliani, the trump side wanted to have this credibility question. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. julie: a summer day is the remains of american service members from the korean war begin their journey back to the united states. we will have more on our fallen heroes next. >> we honor the sacred memory of every incredible american patriot. who fought and died in that war. and everything we do and every action we take, we are fighting
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anthem controversy announce a new policy for the team. which requires players to stand for the national anthem regardless of nfl rules. the quarterback prescott is backing the decision. >> and every protester in anthem and i don't think it is the time or venue to do so. the game of football has always brought me such peace and i think it does the same for a lot of people. taking the next step, whatever that may be, i am for action. julie: a reporter axios is here to talk about this one. it is a confusing message we are getting from the nfl. when a team like the cowboys and league are not on the same page with how players regard the national anthem, isn't it? >> a good point. because even though prescott has come out in support of what jones is saying here, jerry jones the first to come out
after the nfl announced the new policy to say how his team will handle the policy. at the same time the nfl still in the midst of renegotiating the policy after some concerns were raised over collective bargaining and political freedom of speech rights. it is still in the midst of negotiations. julie: the present has applauded jones for his leadership role. but the coalition later of the philadelphia eagles, jenkins, calls jones a bully. he says it was a bully move by making that call. what is your thoughts? >> jenkins is pointing out the fact he thinks our political rights that players still have whether they are on or off the field. raise the point of things jones is exploiting his power and position to intimidate players, to tell them how to do what they can do on the field in relation to the anthem and a lot of plato saying it's not mutually exclusive. you can stand up for the anthem and show patriotism and also believe that it is important to show what you think about police brutality and racial
inequality in the united states. at the end of the day we have to member the reason why a lot of players are kneeling in the first place is recalling what, brought up. about racial inequality and injustice. it might not matter to some people. julie: also black lives matter. it is a true cause and one that deserves respect. it deserves attention. there is also a time in the place. and i know for myself, i compare those who go to a football game, there out there to enjoy themselves. if i'm on vacation or not in the office, where all i do is talk politics, the last thing want to do is hear about politics. when i'm trying to enjoy myself much like the fans there in the stadium. players have political rights and freedom of expression. we all get that. but can they take it off the field so fans can enjoy football without the politics? such is one of the agreements would be, if they want to get down on a knee stay in the locker room.
but it is not necessarily being enforced by the nfl either. >> is still up for debate. some are saying staying in a locker room would still show something very visible about how players feel about the way the police brutality functions in the country. others say is important out there and nail down because it's more visible. and it is all still in the air about how other teams are handling it. we know there was controversy over whether the miami dolphins were handling it by saying that players, if they kneel they will be suspended. now the miami dolphins are saying it is not necessarily the policy. julie: what is the policy? that's a good point. the nfl announced in may that they would require players to stand and then that was suspended. then the miami dolphins policy said they would essentially suspend players that were kneeling during the anthem. when will the rules be issues of players from all teams can adhere to one message? >> it is still in the process.
miami dolphins have said that the reporting is not necessarily true. they say they do not have a policy even though some documents reveal that. i think everything still -- julie: they just have to wait and wait. it's just going on too long. thank you, we appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. mike: it's been a pleasure. julie: it has been a pleasure! it is a beautiful day outside. mike: sunshine in here. that does it for us. thank you for watching. julie: the news continues at the top of the hour. we are not done yet, more after this quick break. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪ stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs.
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he refused, threatened to resign and that's when president trump backed down ultimately deciding not to fire the special counsel. but again, we're seeing this new point of frustration from president trump with these new attacks. again, the most direct at robert mueller. the backdrop is important to point out. a few days ago, the president's former attorney michael cohen spoke to a number of sources who then told cnn that he was ready to testify to the special counsel that president trump approved that june 2016 meeting between russian nationals and his son donald trump jr. and other members of his campaign. so the president responding to that coverage. he also tweeted angrily at the media today we should point out. >> yes, he did. he tweeted all over the place. boris sanchez in new jersey where the president just head back to the white house. thank you. a lot to discuss on this sunday evening. joining us now is cnn's senior
political analyst and senior editor for "the laatlantic" and "washington post" columnist josh rogan. clearly something set the president off. what do you think it is? . >> i think the reporting that he noted is the logical precipitating cause here. look, this is part of a continuing effort to influence in effect the jury pool which will be congressional republicans. if bob mueller comes back with any recommendation that the president -- that the house needs to consider impeachment on the various areas he is vugting this is about creating more pressure on republicans to avoid that. i would point out this -- these attacks are a perfect microcosm for the trump presidency. they are having an influence among republican voters. but among the general public more broadly, it is consolidating uncertainty and moving people away.
i mean there is polling last week, 63% of the country say they didn't trust the intelligence services over donald trump about the impact of russian interference and the election by 20 points, a 20 point margin. they say the fbi is not biassed against him and another poll, 60% said he usually does not tell the truth. it's not like this behavior is cost free. for him or for the republicans in congress who have chosen to defend it. >> josh mueller said to be scrutinizing trump's tweets as part of the obstruction of justice investigation. so why launch the tweets when you know he's watching? >> i think it's an effort to distract from what the news media and a lot of other people are focusing on, namely, the fact that michael cohen's personal lawyer is releasing all sorts of new information, new tapes, new recordings, new accusations and all of these not only feed into the muller investigation but are super
damaging politically and publicly for the president. for the president's personal lawyer to accuse him of knowing about the meeting at trump tower before and approving it before his son and campaign manager and son-in-law met with russians connected to the russian government that, is a shocking accusation. although michael cohen has little credibility and rudy giuliani has little credibility and the president has little credibility, the fastball this is the topic of discussion along with michael cohen's playing of the tape shows that president trump probably knew about pay yofrz to his alleged mistress, "playboy" model. this is all exactly what the president doesn't want to focus on. so by putting out all of the tweets, he is trying to shift the conversation. he succeeding in that. ahead of the brand new news cycle, he is sending out marching orders to the allies in congress and in the media, don't look over here, look over here. don't talk about michael cohen and karen mcdougal, talk about angry democrats and the witchunt
and all of this stuff. you know, again, it's pretty standard practice for the president. i don't think it's going to work in terms of saving him from the actual consequences of these revelations. but it certainly works in changing the conversation. that's him using his bully pulpit which he uses effectively. >> we were used to this president going after so-called enemies, going after competitors. he's not afraid to call people out by name, sloppy steve, right? i mean there's crooked hillary. and, yet, he hasn't been attacking michael cohen by name today. instead, he's going after mueller. why do you think that is? >> well, michael cohen can do a lot of damage to donald trump. you know, he has been -- he has been right in the middle of everything for many years. there's a lot that he knows. i'm sure it is a very unnerving situation for the president to have michael cohen, you know, signalling that he wants to cooperate with investigators, bringing on lanny davis late of
the clinton defense to be, you know, his lawyer and kind of public relations consultant. all of that are kind of ominous, you know, directions for the president. i would point out that there is kind of a broader pattern here which is, you know, twofold. one, the president needs conflict. that is what he believes is the essence of his political strength. there is always a fight. you know, whether -- a couple days ago it was revoking security clearances for former officials. it could be nfl players. it could be pop culture figures. he believers he needs to show his base that he is fighting all of the time, that he is breaking the glass on their behalf. as i said, there is a cost to that. a cost in exhaustion among many swing voters, particularly white collar voters and that is where the republican risk is the greatest. we have the special election coming up in ohio in a couple weeks. another district that should be safely republican but because of the revolt in the suburbs that they are facing, it is now a nail biter for the gop and that is where the vulnerability is concentrated in november and, again, this kind of behavior by
the republican -- about it president and the decision by house republicans not only to defend it but to abet it in many cases by, you know, working against the investigation, that is the core -- that magnifies their risk in the places their most vulnerable. >> we're looking at images of air force one as the president gets on the plane and comes back from his weekend at his golf resort in new jersey. so we'll just keep this up. if he comes in and addresses the immediate yashgs of course, we'll be listening in. in the meantime, josh, one of the tweets today, he is threatening to shut down the government unless democrats don't agree to build a border wall. he said all along, mefrm he could is going to pay for that wall. this is one 00 days out from the mid terms. does this do more to help or hurt republicans in november? >> he's putting his republican allies in congress in an impossible position because, of course, they don't have the leverage to get democrats to agree to a border wall funding. if they dshgs they would have used it already in these past 18
months. and also they know something that he may or may not acknowledge which is that if he shuts down the government, that's bad for them. he's not up for election. but they are. and so they really can't afford to take the risk of having a big government shutdown even over the border wall, even if it's popular before this midterm. so, you know, again, sort of like, you know, let's throw out a bunch of empty threats. let's put everybody that's on our side into a terrible political bind. and then, you know, ranlt at an rave until something shakes out. it doesn't seem to be working. we don't have the border wall funding. he's not making progress on it. it's not clear to me why this threat is different from that any of the other 100 times that he made it. but again, it's -- he thinks it's a good issue politically for him. there is no cost to him personally for making the threats. so he thinks why not just do it? and see what happens. who knows, it may work. >> ron, i want to get your take
>> we don't know what the reason was for the end of that tape. joining us now to discuss what may have happened there, ed primo, one of the nation's audio forensic experts with 30 plus years of experience. ed, great to have you with us. earlier this week you confirmed to my colleague that the tape was in fact edited. and i want to dig into that issue specifically. since that seems to be a point of contention right now. what does your analysis tell you about what was modified and when it happened? >> well, the recording was created using the voice memo app on an iphone 5. i can see the operating system in the data. and in the voice memo application, there is a feature or a function called trim. so i believe the recording was edited in the voice memo app. but the biggest problem that we have here, it's a misrepresentation of the events as they occurred. when i testified in court
previously, and i've testified dozens of times, the recordings that are presented, if they're edited, then the trier of fact, judge and jury, need to be made aware of the fact that it was shortened. in this particular case, we have a recording that ends with a butt edit. it is very visible and in any program that you can view the sounds spectrum and you can notice that the ending has some -- a couple different words on it. why that is like that, i don't know. but it is not an authentic recording and it certainly is not the original. >> let's listen to that audio again this time sloweded down. -- slowed down. >> when it comes time for the financing which will be -- >> listen, what financing? >> i'll have to pay. >> no. no. no. i got -- no. no. >> a check.
>> so you have said that the data tells you this recording was modified four seconds after it was created. just four seconds later. i'm trying to make sense of that. can you specify what kind of modification? >> well, there was an edit, obviously. i re-created the edit today by making a recording on an iphone 5 that had an operating system more recent. it was actually 10.2. the original recording that i could see in the data was created on an iphone five with the operating system 9.3. so i didn't do any research to learn how many updates away that was from where this recording was created. but what is important here is that it was created in a voice memo app that is capable of editing. it has a trim feature in it. >> so could an incoming call or running out of battery have been the reason for that abrupt
ending? or did somebody have to physically do it themselves? >> i believe it was actually edited. somebody actually ended the recording there using the trim function and voice memo app. that is my theory at this point. and that's the science that i've observed up to this point. >> is there evidence that something was actually deleted? >> no. not anything that i could see. other than knowing that it was edited and the conversation appears to continue. because it was edited right after the ch in check or if that is the word check. >> and let me just confirm with you, too. there is not evidence that anything before that moment had been edited? >> not that i've seen, no. >> okay. ed primo, thank you for giving us your expertise, helping us better understand what we're dealing with when it come to this piece of potential evident. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, let's head out west. there is a deadly inferno right
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a whole week. cnn's dan simon is joining us live from reading. tell us what you are experience there, dan. >> conditions remain challenging. for the first time, fire crews are expressing optimism about the overall effort. i'll talk to you about that in a second. first, we're in the lake reading estates neighborhood. it is just amazing when you walk around and see some of the devastation. check out this trash can which is just totally melted. and then look at this over here. on this driveway. you can see, you have what was a garden hose right here. i mean you can just fall apart. so in terms of the overall fire fighting effort, the containment number right now is at 5%. but just a moment ago crews were saying that the collective effort appears to be working. you have 3500 firefighters here on the line. you have a lot of aircraft dumping water.
and this is what the incident commander said about that. take a look. >> we're going to continue to work hard to get direct line on this thing. i think by tonight you'll start seeing containment percentages increase. >> so that is the first time they have actually said that it looks like they're turning a corner with this blaze. not to put words in his mouth, but that's how i think you can interpret that which is great news. for the last several days this region really has been paralyzed with nearly 40,000 people under an evacuation order. all of the hotels are full. you have the shelters. a lot of them are full as well. so these people, as you can imagine, are so anxious to get back into their homes. hopefully they'll have a home to come back to. anna? >> sadly, too many people don't. thank you, sdan simon. the russian president shows off his military might as the american president sents an invitation to moscow. what could all this mean for
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we're ready to invite president trump to moscow to be my guest. he has such an invitation, i told him that. i'm ready to go to washington. >> trump had originally invited putin to come to washington this fall. shocking many in washington including the director of national intelligence. the white house has now pushed that invitation back to some time next year. and that brings us to your weekend presidential brief, a segment we bring you every sunday night highlighting the most pressing national security information. the president will need when he wakes up tomorrow. joining us now is cnn national security analyst and former national security council adviser sam vinegrad. she helped prep four presidents daily briefs. so as we just saw putin there showing off this military might with the navy day parade. do you think we'll see more signs of force? >> it's interesting. russia's military budget decreased in 2017 for the first time in 20 years. we've seen putin rely on some unconventional assets that are cheaper like cyber attacks and information warfare. and more recently, he's been
directly messaging president trump through the media. it's cheap and it's easy. we have this whole second summit. it wasn't negotiated behind closed doors. trump issued an invitation publicly. putin responded publicly. it really looked like president trump was responsive to media criticism and putin's direction rather than u.s. national security interests. and on friday, putin complimented and threatened president trump in the same press conference. he complimented his track record on keeping campaign promises to butter him up. and then threatened president trump and u.s. economic growth by linking sanctions against russia to the dollar. i think president putin is very aware that the way to get president trump's attention is through direct public messaging. >> now you say that the way this all played out is not normal. let's talk about north korea. we also had developments there this other weekend with the news buried that remains of what we believe to be u.s. war victims
were given back to the u.s. officials. do you believe this is a sign that north korea is indeed following through on the promises? >> i don't think we've seen any signs that north korea actually denuclearizing. they testified publicly last week that they continue to produce material. they're continuing to make nuclear weapons. they may have kept two of the promises from singapore. they're dismantling a second test site not because they're denuclearizing built because they don't have to test anymore. as you mentioned, they may have rurn returned 55 sets of remains, again keeping a promise. but none of this is related to actual denuclearization. the fear is they're going to ask f for something in rufrnlt china lifted sanctions on north korea. we could see them moving in that direction. >> north korea got a lot of its technology, nuclear technology from pakistan. pakistan getting ready to swear in a new prime minister. what will he mean for u.s. national security? >> well, khan is compared to
president trump in the past few weeks because of his celebrity past and nationalist and pop lift platforms. but i think the bilateral relationship when khan takes the premiership is going to be under pressure. khan criticize the u.s. drone strikes. he kricriticized our war in afghanistan. so we could see us moving further apart. but khan may move closer to our enemies and rivals. he's been accused of being sympathetic to the taliban and wants a closer relationship with china who is pouring billions of dollars into pakistan. so china's spending more. we decreased our security assistance. and so we may lose more leverage. >> all right. thank you so much, sam. always good to see you: coming up, it is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries in history. now a clue on what may have happened to amelia earhart during that doomed flight around the world. hear from the researcher who says he has the proof to close this case for good. you're live in the cnn newsroom. still nervous about finding a new apartment?
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some of them perhaps believable, some of them kind of crazy. rick gillespie obsessed about this mystery for 30 years. he now says with confidence case closed. i can't wait to hear all about it. what happened to amelia earhart and what is your effort? >> well, the case is closed but we're not finished with the investigation by any means. we have been, as you said, work forg -- working for 30 years. we have evidence from various sources that point to the same conclusion. here's what we think happened. the red line on the map behind me represents amelia's intended route to the island. she had trouble finding the island. in the last radio message she was heard to say while she was in flight, she said she was running on a line represented by the blue line. that line led her to another island. at that time it was gardener
island. there is an abundance of evidence she did lant there. artifacts that we found there. and radio signals that were sent from there and widely heard and believed. and bones that were found there in 1940, three years after she disappeared, that those bones now disappeared but the measurements taken were analyzed by world famous forensic anthropologist earlier this year who concluded that there is a better than 99% chance that the cast away of gardener island was amelia earhart. we're confident that we know what happened to her. >> the latest information that i read about this week was that the distressed calls seem to be a key piece of evidence. how so? >> that's right. that's right. we just released a new study of the radio distress calls that were heard for at least five
nights. widely believed at the time, you look at the headlines and it's we hear her calls. there are official word is that they're genuine. that's why the u.s. navy sent a battleship from hawaii 2,000 miles to this island to see if there was an airplane there sending the signals. because the airplane could only send radio signals if it was not only on land but on its wheels and able to operate the right hand engine, the right hand engine with the generator to recharge the battery. so she didn't crash anywhere. she made a safe landing on the reef that surrounds this island. dries at low tide. smooth as a runway. but the tide comes in and the tide goes out. and by the time the navy got there, rising tides and surf washed the airplane into the ocean so when the u.s. navy planes through over the island,
they didn't see an airplane. therefore all the signals you some have somehow been bogus and they spent the rest of the search looking in the open ocean for floating wreckage or life raft and found nothing an concluding she crashed at sea. we went back and studies all those radio distress calls and find that there is no way they could have been hoaxes or misunderstandings. they came from that island. directional bearings, cross at that island. it is rock solid. >> how long did it take you to analysis all of this? >> well, let's see. first we had to assemble all the original source information from the original radio logs. then when he to correct them for chronology, get all the time zones corrected and some of the time zones change over the years. and then you have to analyze the call themselves whether frequency and the probability that they could be heard. it's sophisticated computerized stuff. and then you say what story is
this telling us? which reported messages can be genuine and which are credible beyond a reasonable doubt? and of the 120 reported alleged signals that were heard, we find that 57 of them are credible and among them there are about two dozen that are credible beyond a reasonable doubt. they had to be coming from that island. >> wow. incredible the research that you've done and the time that you spent is just fascinating, rick. thank you for sharing it with us. >> and it hasn't been me. it's the organization that i represent. tiger, the international group for historic aircraft recovery. they're the twhaunz dones that work. >> you're very humble. they appreciate that shoutout, rick. you represent them well. coming up, a drug sniffing pooch so good at her job she is now in serious danger. meet this german shepard with a $70,000 bounty on her head because a colombian cartel wants her gone. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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you ask. police say the german shepherd has participated in 300 anti-drug trafficking operations around colombia and helped in capturing, listen to this, at least 245 suspects. she has been able to sniff out about nine metric tons of cocaine in multiple operations targeting one of colombia's most powerful criminal groups. police call her the torment recovering to the head of a drug cartel who is on the list of colombia's most wanted. and listen to this. she also found about 100 kilos of cocaine that people carried inside their bodies or in secret luggage compartments at the airport. quite a resume for this distinguished member of the canine unit. >> she's been busy no doubt. how do police learn that a bounty had been placed on her head? >> yes. we asked police that very question. and the colonel told us that during their routine intelligence work and surveillance operations they
learned that a two million peso bount bounty $75,000 bounty had been put hn other head. the handlers made the decision to transfer her to a less dangerous unit. but make no mistake about it, anna, she is still fighting drug trafficking and doing what she does best. >> so have police changed anything in order to protect her now that . >> most definitely. she will be constantly relocated around colombia to make it, let's say, more difficult for criminals to find about her whereabouts. she's already won two canine medals for bravery and her service to the colombian people. and one more thing, ana, she's due to retire in a couple of years. so she's going to be safer then. back to you. >> rafael romo and a dog lover. thank you for sharing her story. starting this week, anyone including criminals and convicted felons will be able to download plans and use a 3-d printer to make a gun. a gun that will not be traceable
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>> reporter: it could be the dawn of a new era in gun manufacturing. starting as soon as wednesday, people will be able to use 3-d printers to make their own weapons and weapon parts. no background check required. this after the government settled a lawsuit last month with the non-profit group defense distributed that would allow the posting of 3-d printable gun plans online, a move that's triggering a debate about public safety and national security. the group's founder cody wilson has built a website where people will be able to download plans for a handgun he dubs the liberator as well as digital files for a complete baretta m-9 handgun and other firearms. wilson's legal battle began after he posted handgun blueprints online in 2013, leading to a demand from the state department to take them down because they could violate a law regulating the export of defense materials, services and technical data like blueprints. wilson explained his goal in a 2013 interview. >> i'm putting guns -- one is an exercise in, i don't know, experimentalism, can you print a gun. but really for me it's
important, it's like a symbolic political statement. >> reporter: he described a future in which people could access unregulated guns. >> in this future people would be able to make guns for themselves. that was already true but now it's been demonstrated in yet another technology. >> reporter: the june 29th settlement will also allow wilson's site to post online plans for an ar-15 lower receiver, a key component of the gun. gun control advocates fear these firearms made almost entirely of plastic would be untraceable and impossible to regulate. the co-president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence says these hard to detect guns would be a national security threat making it easier for terrorists and people who can't pass criminal background checks to get their hands on dangerous weapons, adding "i think everybody in america ought to be terrified about that." but experts like lawrence keen, a senior vice president for the national shooting sports foundation, the firearm industry's trade association, say 3-d printed guns would have to include metal components to function and because federal law requires it. >> federal law since the mid 1980s under the undetectible
firearms act requires a certain amount of metal so they are not undetectible and can't go through metal detectors undetected or x-ray machines. >> reporter: even with those metal components the guns would not work well. >> the truth is they don't. many times they fail after a single shot being fired, they break. they're not very durable and they really don't work. >> reporter: he said the sort of high-end printer that would be needed to make a gun costs as much as a quarter of a million dollars and the resulting weapons' unreliability means the country is unlikely to see a rush of people trying to print their own guns. new york senator chuck schumer expressed similar concerns back in 2013. >> a felon, a terrorist can make a gun in the comfort of their home, not even leaving their home, and do terrible damage with it. the question is what we do about it. >> reporter: last week he demanded the state department and the department of justice reverse the decision or postpone finalizing it and said that if
they don't he would use emergency congressional actions to block those gun websites sxwlp so we're here to sound the alarm. we're here to plead with the administration not to allow these types of websites to go forward, which they're planning to on august 1st, and we're here to say we'll pass legislation if the special website is allowed. >> reporter: athena jones, cnn, new york. >> we have is this just in to cnn. civil rights icon and georgia congressman john lewis has been given a clean bill 6 health after spending the night in a hospital. lewis apparently became ill on a flight to atlanta yesterday. his spokeswoman telling cnn the congressman thanks everyone who shared their thoughts, their prayers and concerns during his hospital stay. again now out of the hospital. good to hear that. you are in the "cnn newsroom." i'm ana cabrera in new york. so glad to have you with us.
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outlets that don't toe the democratic party line that has existed for about 15 minutes. the left also used to worry about the unchecked power about the most powerful sectors of our government, the cia, fbi and a whole constellated constellation. he worried they might violate civil liberties at will and they might spy on americans. they might hide all of that beneath a black cloak of the world classified. now those agencies have used their powers to spy on trump associates and lick damaging information about the administration to the press. suddenly, the left considers them these unaccountable members of the deep state heroes. how about this one come up for decades the left accuse the risk of not paying their fair share of taxes. okay, last year's tax reform bill rolled back the state and local taxes that rich people can deduct. now that the wealthy formed with the core of the democratic party's constituency, liberals are outraged by this. new york and new jersey are suing the trump administration to get the rich they are tax deductions back. george w. bush embroiled america
in the middle eastern war. now he gave a speech about trump and is fully rehabilitated. the left controls major news outlets and they should but after the washington trump a tech demo trump, a "usa today" columnist said those critiques were "attacks on the first amendment." president trump tweeted threats that kim jong un, so his sister was praised at the winter olympics for stealing the spotlight from vice president pence. she must be great, the president hates her brother. president trump wants better relationships with russia so naturally all the geniuses in washington tell us we have to prepare for war in both countries. to anyone who remembers the democrats of the 1960s, the 90s or even three years ago, it's all very confusing, that party is dead. it's been replaced by a new one whose entire platform could be, say no to trump. this isn't politics anymore, it's the world's dumbest religion. tammy bruce is our radio host and she joins us tonight.
how easy is the left to control, if the president says he oppose opposes? 99% of them would be for it. >> this is in a way kind of strange and funny. we have accused of the left of having trump derangement syndrome, as a mocking example of the fact that they simply need to grow up. this is something that is just this inability of people to acknowledge and deal with a real-life adult event that they have lost an election. now there is an effort to normalize being so damaged, if you will come up by an external event that you have some u.s. psychiatrist says they now have more patience with trump anxiety disorder. of course none of that is really true or genuine. it is about people needing to grow up and deal with reality properly. but in the process as you note, liberals are giving the president an enormous amount of
control. their lives and every moment of how they react to him is based on what he says and what he does. they have seeded complete control to him. if they step back for a moment and just realize that they have some influence where they could work in a dynamic to get their policies, their narratives, their preferences past, maybe they would have some success. and that encourages this refusal to deal with reality and place on effectively and is almost an abusive dynamic. it comes down to individual americans deciding that they are going to be children at this point. >> tucker: it's a literally reactionary and they are reacting purely to him. i'm not sure i really even understand that. trump is interesting i guess, he's a politician. they find him the most fascinating person that ever
lived. what about him drives them so bonkers? especially us being neck especie the things he has done has improved everyone's lives. isis is static, ms-13 is being dealt with and everyone has more money in their pocket. the job economy is at historic lows, and there is no one who hasn't benefited from this except of course isis and ms-13. they had this idea, they were told certain things by their leadership of how it's going to be. everyone thought it was going to be a certain way and they were promised certain things come donald trump represents the fact that the future may be isn't controlled by them. they were encouraged by democratic leadership to see this in a personal way, exclusively in a personal way and the most extreme fashion, appealing to the french. i can tell you and maybe they
were not as divided as we say we are. the majority of the democrats also agrees with the benefit that at this president is bringing us. democrats are walking away from the party and there is a shift in what's happening and democrat leadership was not prepared for this. they feel that harassment of people who don't think like them is the easiest and best thing to do. >> tucker: so they are failing, so they are hysterical. it's an amazing moment. >> richard goodstein is a lawyer and advised hillary clinton's campaign. richard, i never thought i would see a moment where democrats are angry because a republican has raised taxes on the rich. i never thought that would happen. if there is one sort of core idea in the democratic party, it is that the rich don't pay enough. the tax bill makes them pay more in certain places on the east coast and new york and new jersey. and they are suing him for it.
how does that work exactly? >> i think the core economic value of social and economic justice. i think the feeling that most of these tax cuts went to corporations and, most people, the wages are flat. >> is not a minor keeper of te democratic party and that only affects rich people. they are angry that that the rich are getting soaked. >> the truth is, what the tax bill did was go after blue state's wealthy people.
that's what i did and invariably it hit states like new york and new jersey. >> the fact remains that the democrats are arguing. but it is suggest that whatever trump is for, they are against. >> i think that's actually a distortion. had they been in charge of congress would have been legislation that would have indeed lower tax rates for middle-class and most wage earners and increased or kept current the rates for wealthy people >> i'm not criticizing you for that, i get it. but you are not acknowledging how weird this moment is. >> go up and down wall street, and ask whether they are paying
higher or lower taxes. most of them got a huge tax benefit. >> they are all democratic voters. did you ever think you would see a moment where the democratic party defended the dignity of hard-core pornography? where rudy giuliani computer character of stormy daniels who had with strangers on camera, or the left side, there's nothing wrong with that, how did we get to that point? do you have a huge constituency of pornography workers? >> i never thought we would see president or air force one denies something when he's asked about stormy daniels or karen mcdougall and his lawyer admitted he was lying. i never thought we would see that. >> it didn't speak to the principle of the entire party. is there a big constituency of things that pornographic actors do not get the respect that they are due? what about ms-13? is there a big ms-13 constituency? it's like we have to shore up the base of the ms-13 voters.
>> there is no constituency for tearing babies from others. except for somebody in the white house and people who work for him. >> tucker: carrying babies from others. okay. >> that's what's happening. >> is happening to american citizens every single day. every american with children, half of all federal prisoners are separated from the kids but nobody cares because they are just americans. where's the outrage for that, any idea? >> of these people were getting traumatized in central america. and they will -- >> what about utica, what about youngstown? nobody cares and, they didn't make a choice by violating their immigration law, that was mandatory, i guess. >> i think we are talking about
two different things. >> we are, i'm talking about americans and you are talking about foreigners who break our laws. >> richard, great to see you, thank you very much. president trump promised to build a wall on the border and carried the republicans party to victory two years ago on that promise. elections are supposed to have consequences and this election didn't have consequences. though republicans are still refusing to pay for the wall. why is that? lou dobbs may have an answer, next from new york. in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester,
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the wall, may be later. >> is the funding of the border wall going to make wait until the midterm elections? >> probably and that's something we do have a disagreement on. >> so homeland security will get funded until the midterms. >> probably not. because there is a disagreement. but there is a consensus on the other side. the pass the largest tax cut in history and expanded the h to be a foreign worker program. so who exactly is a republican party representing? voters or a handful of donors? he spent years thinking about this and he joins us tonight. i'm kind of speechless to this. >> that's a problem. all of this becomes an affable to describe, to accept and to deal with. it is so obviously toxic and corrosive. there are so many sellouts and you know that the republican leadership and the house and the
senate are made up of simply acolytes of the expediency, and of course corporate america and the u.s. multinationals and the koch brothers, wall street. business roundtable and the chamber of commerce. by the time you get through there is no room for the american people, just 300 million of us. there is no more room for the middle class, working men and women and for the families. that's why president trump president trump got elected. the american people sent the inordinate power and corruption of the establishment and that is why this anti-established president was elected. >> tucker: it's proving a point. a lot of people voted for him because they thought this isn't a democracy, it's an oligarchy. stop lying to me. then they thought, what is the thing that voters voted for russian mark they are not trying and they are doing it rather's
notably as well. this missive, superior and by the way, don't even pretend that you belong in the same room as me. and paul ryan, he's talking about a better way agenda to compete when in fact what they are both saying is they are going to do exactly what charles cote says. we are going to the open borders and bring across as many illegal immigrants as possible. the working class be, working men and women be, america be. they are going against trump in this country and our most precious values and all that has made us great. and that is our middle class. >> tucker: so apart from the fact that the democratic party has actually gone off the deep end and is dangerous, leaving that aside why would anyone vote for republicans right now? >> right now there's only one reason, his name is donald don. trump.
there is no other explanation and these schools are leading the house and the senate. they don't have to talk about the regulation, and just over a year and a half an office. it's remarkable. it's been one second they get crushed, let say they lose the house. >> and they likely will if they leave particularly ryan in place. the american people, they will know the reason. but there's a party not worthy of their support and not worthy of their trust. there is a precedent and that will be the great divide. we are watching oligarchs like the koch brothers carrying out class warfare. think of this, the koch brothers who have been synonymous with the republican party are
conducting class warfare against the middle class, the foundation of the country, working men and women, and the same we can bring any illegal immigrants. we will arbitrage labor costs just as we have been doing around the world. >> tucker: lou dobbs, not a word. philadelphia's mayor is putting his citizens at risk for the sake of protecting criminals in the city. that's next, live from new york. mike: i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ( ♪ ) joni: think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it.
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how does this help american citizens in philadelphia? >> to talk about a democracy, the people of philadelphia elected the mirror. people who were either born here or are u.s. citizens supported the mayor and still support the mayor's decision to abolish i.c.e., so the ability to cut that tie between i.c.e. so these are the wishes of philadelphia. >> tucker: so by that you are saying that any elected official, because he was elected by definition, all of his decisions have the support of the people. so by that measure, donald trump and his position on illegal immigration is the will of the people at the of the united states. so how dare you question that. >> he was -- he won by technicality, and -- >> tucker: okay. let me explain our system to you because i know you are here illegally. as an american i will tell you that he won under the rules that
we have that were set out in our founding documents. you may not like them but those are the rules. so he is our democratically elected president and your point now is that once you are elected no one can complain about what you do because as you put it, democracy. >> you have the right to complain and i think everyone has the right to -- >> tucker: you made a silly point and i destroyed it. let's get to the real meat of this debate which is, how does it help the citizens. how does that help allowing them criminals to go unpunished or escape federal law enforcement. how does that benefit philadelphians? >> there are two systems. the preliminary arraignment reporting system that we just kowtow to, that prevents i.c.e. from going into the system with day-to-day interactions. so if they go to a party with a bunch of teenagers, and they call police and the rest of teenagers, i.c.e. doesn't get need to get involved in that. if someone gets arrested for violent crime, they still go
through the fbi and department of homeland security fingerprints. so violent criminals will still go through a system and ice still has that information. people will still be protected. i.c.e. does not target the teenagers. >> that was a federal law by the way voted for the system that you lauded when you first sat down, our democracy. people voted for those laws and now you are saying it's immoral to enforce them. so i guess i'm the one who believes in democracy, not you. but by your standards the state of new york has an assault weapons ban. lots of towns are against that. should the sheriff say i'm not going to refer the violators of the weapons ban to the state, would that be okay with you? >> we already have some counties in the upstate or across the country that are pushing for gun laws. >> no, we don't. >> people say in terms of the
policies that they agree with. beco what they don't do is encourage the violation of law because that is not democracy, that's anarchy. you know as well as i come up if there was a town named new york, he would be outraged and i wouldn't like it either because i believe in the law. so why is this different? because one is fashionable and helps the democratic party and the other is not. >> when it comes to the resist movement, we seen this across the country. whether it's republican or democrat, liberal or conservative, everyone has the right. so we are not debating -- >> you are not debating -- >> its constitutional rights and that's what we are debating at this moment. >> not so insane, i'm not even sure i can -- very quickly, they are now calls on the left to make health care universal.
this country is tens of trillions in debt. should we extend those benefits to illegal aliens, and if so, why? >> it goes with the concept of the citizenship. nation we have matured. >> don't hit me with the race. >> as a citizen of our country you don't get to lecture me. >> i believe that we should open the franchise, the right to vote to everyone. because the unique -- >> including you? you are here illegally. >> is a unique experiment, american democracy is all about that. >> tucker: i don't know what chutzpah is in spanish but for you sitting here illegally -- you do have a green card. >> that's for a different segment. >> so you are telling me that the essence of our country is
not our constitution that is letting illegals vote? >> it's about us truly embracing that everyone can be an american. >> so no matter where you are from you have a right to come here and vote in our elections and get free stuff. we built this awesome county and everyone around the world gets to take what they want because why? >> christopher columbus, did they have citizenship? >> he didn't build the country by the way. american state and that's a fundamental right. >> i'm american. >> know you are mexican. >> i mexican-american. great to see you. >> thank you so much for having me again. >> tucker: we have finally the pfizer application by the carter page. also greg gutfeld is here, exposing new york mayor bill
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information. president has intervened directly and declassified this material. they say there's nothing classified here, they are just protecting their own. and at the president's declassification earlier this year frankly led to the release of this material through the foia process. he should take the next step and release the next set of information, only 30 pages or so, and got the full truth out to the american people. that's within his power to do, he overrode the deep state earlier this year and we got this amazing material about the dnc and clinton dossier and overrode their concerns again. >> just remind us, as protecting the reputation of your agency or hiding your own corruption, or those valid reasons to redact information in a document? >> frankly it ought to require the disclosure. the justice department and the fbi's need to stop the cover-up and it using these exemptions, these reductions to protect
public disclosure of government corruption is an appropriate use of those materials or those privileges and why the president needs to step in. these guys can't be trusted to evaluate the material fairly and that's why president trump should act. >> tucker: they ought to be fired innately for that. it's totally indefensible. most americans are horrified by what's happening in california and many are leaving the states. but bill de blasio says he sees it as a model for new york. greg gutfeld joins us next to explain what's happening ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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many years the golden state. greg gutfeld and i are both from there but no human waste and drug needles are piling up in the streets and people are fleeing faster than they can rent writer trucks. it's not a model to imitate unless you are at the mayor of bill de blasio. he is looking to open new needle exchange sites because the city isn't dirty enough. and how's that for depressing? greg gutfeld host "the greg gutfeld show" saturday at 10:00 a.m. and of course every day cohost "the five." >> street feet was the name of our band by the way, punk polecat. this is how progressive thanks, new york looks at los angeles and thinks, pulled my herbal tea, i can do worse. so, he was already chosen not to arrest people over with so there you technically are the golden state. that's disgusting but also
amusing and deeply true. but also so predictable. so it de blasio takes over and gets like 15% of the voters and nobody votes. you look at him and you think, i hope he's not going to do what liberals did to the 70s and in six years he already has. >> the reason is, they have a rich guilty liberals. if you have a lot of guilt rich and guilty liberals they will allow for any kind of bad decision or stupid decision because they can afford it. the other people can't but they can. that's what you have this incredible wealth inequality. you have -- that's what i love about l.a., hollywood creates these dystopian fantasies like the handmaid's tale and how evil this is, but they don't have to. all they have to do is look out the window. >> by the way, i just noticed you have a gumdrop. >> i am getting this on ebay.
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and proud and willing to eat anything. so if the man were to routinely order a soy based product? >> women should be okay with that but the women in the study but believe the man should eat meat probably because they've been conditioned to relieve in the hundreds of our society and could provide for them. they believe that the men have to supply the meat. >> could it be the opposite, that women have been programmed, but carnivores are probably better. >> i am just guessing here.
i have swerved off the beaten path of science. >> the study showed that the men eat the meat because they are the better providers because of the hunting societies. and it went back to the hunting society. >> it's so sad because the vegan and vegetarians -- >> tucker: so you are after the man who orders tofu, and then you are after the man who orders the new york strip. how does that rate? >> the man would appreciate if the man has a great personality. >> so what about a bone in filet. a man and his meat are impressive, for sure. but i don't think that matters, it's a personality that counts. >> tucker: you are sticking valiantly to the talking points.
>> it's not a talking point. >> i refuse to believe that. this is really the cadillac, this is the bentley of steaks. a man orders that at dinner and he doesn't go up at all in your estimation? >> i don't find it anymore attractive. order status, part of us thinks, i like this guy. >> are you speaking traditional roles western mark >> i'm saying, what does your heart tell you? do you say that's toxic masculinity or is that the man for me? >> well, i would find it just as masculine.
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at low containment. >> bill: it's a big job. probably something we deal with all week. thank you live in redding, california. >> sandra: president trump raising the stakes in the battle over the border wall threatening to shut down the government if he doesn't get the funding he has been demanding. the president firing off this warning a short time ago tweeting quote, i would be willing to shut down government if the democrats do not give us the votes for border security. which includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch and release, etc. and go to system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into our country. doug mcelway live at the white house this morning. doug, an interesting tactic to see a republican president embracing the prospects of a government shutdown. >> it sure is. history has shown that whenever there has been a government shutdown in the past it is the republican party that takes the blame for it and in the aftermath of that tweet which you read from the president
democrats are setting the stage again to place blame on another government shutdown. >> the shutdown would be very bad news for the country. total disruption and i think it would be a very bad idea for republicans going into the november elections. >> but many congressional republicans are also of the mind that government shutdown would be very bad for their party. >> let's hope not. i think hopefully most of the appropriation bills will be passed. a little better prioritization spending. i don't like playing shutdown politics. i don't think it would be helpful. let's try to avoid it. >> the president isn't buying that. he doubled down on it firing off a new tweet since the one you just read. his new tweet is we must have border security, get rid of chain, lottery, catch and release sanctuary cities and merit based immigration and protect law enforcement and ice and keep building but much
faster the wall. his strategy is, it is a crisis that does not exist outside the beltway. your average american will get along just fine with a government shutdown. social security checks will go out. there is some time before this becomes a really pressing issue. congress has to come to some agreement on a spending bill by september 30th. then again that puts them right up against the mid-term elections. >> sandra: the president's team punching back after these accusations from his former lawyer michael cohen. what's the latest with that? >> michael cohen is taking a royal beating from the president's inner circle, from the president's lts ever since he released the recording of the two men portraying him as a man who will say or do anything to stay out of jail including doctoring that tape. >> president is very surprised which indicates he didn't know about this.
chosen better. he will get on firmed with democratic votes. >> bill: let's bring in byron york, good day to you on a monday late july. you say this marks a new phase. explain. >> up until now no democrat has even asked kavanaugh to come talk in his office. today kavanaugh will be meeting with joe manchin who is the first democrat to speak to him. as always with these cases, it just comes down to the numbers. there are 51 republicans in the senate. if senator mccain cannot vote that's 50. republicans do not have anybody they can lose and still confirm brett kavanaugh. that is where some of the democrats come in. senator manchin and senator heitkamp and senator donnelly from indiana voted for neil gorsuch last year. they're now up for reelection in states that donald trump won
really big, 40 points in west virginia, 30 plus in north dakota, 15 points in indiana. so the question for those democrats is going to be, you voted for neil gorsuch. why would you vote against brett kavanaugh? >> bill: they have a calculation to make. a political equation. what do you think they do? >> i think some of them vote for brett kavanaugh. it will be very difficult for them to say that i voted for neil gorsuch but maybe this nomination is so consequential that i'll vote against it. senator schumer is really asking these senators just don't come out and say anything. be quiet, keep your powder dry, and give us the democrats time to try to build a case against brett kavanaugh. i think you'll see these
democrats who voted for gorsuch, i think you'll see them stay pretty quiet until we get much closer. >> bill: schumer is saying this on screen deliberately selective request leaves out what may be the most important thing in kavanaugh's record is white house staff secretary. what are republicans hiding in judge kavanaugh's record. he worked in the bush white house for three years. >> this is a real interesting part of his career. he hasn't always been a judge. from 2003 to 2006 he was the staff secretary for the white house, which is a big job. it basically organizes all of the paper that gets in front of the president. and democrats are going to try to argue that kavanaugh had a role in controversial bush-era decisions like enhanced interrogations and war powers and signing statements. they will want to go into all these things and hang anything they don't like around his neck. and basically republicans are going to say forget about it.
>> bill: rob portman said there could be a million documents. good luck with that. byron, thank you. we'll see where it goes today. big meeting and joe manchin's read-out later today. what's coming up? >> sandra: a lot more from harvard law professor alan dershowitz. we'll get his take at the top of the hour. >> bill: trying to get kavanaugh through by october 1 that's the schedule mcconnell set up. right now they're on track. looking forward to dershowitz next hour. rudy giuliani not pulling any punches with the president's former attorney michael cohen. >> now i've listened unfortunately, fortunately from my client's point of view to many hours of tapes and the man is a pathological manipulator, liar. >> bill: in moments why the trump legal team say they think why they believe michael cohen is a reliable witness.
>> sandra: president trump reigniting his feud with "the new york times" this time taking aim at the paper's publisher. howie kurtz is on deck with that story. >> bill: vice president mike pence says he is honored to be a part of the arrival ceremony for our nation's bravest from the korean war. what it could signal for the talks to come. >> he came home with a medal on his chest but my dad who has gone now 30 years, raised us to understand that he always thought the heroes of the korean war were the ones who didn't get to come home. my mom's pain from
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hearts what we really wanted to do was militarily take the regime down. and we would never do that unprovoked. we know that. they have never believed that. these are baby steps, to be sure. what will be a long process. it is an important step certainly. and obviously for our families, this is a great thing. >> bill: you consider it positive. identifying the remains is a tricky deal here. we believe them to be american servicemen but there is no confirmation of that, right? >> no, we've had problems in the past particularly when the north koreans returned some remains to the brits. some of them did not even turn out to be human remains. there are challenges here. the reason it took as long as it did, i think the north koreans probably best techniques they had were trying to verify that this is who they are. let's face it, in a battle zone
that we had in north korea, we had other countries under the u.n. flag fighting as well and we have north korean soldiers killed and chinese soldiers killed. our people here are the best in the world in hawaii who do this as part of the defense p.o.w., mia agency and identifying remains since the vietnam war. they will go through painstaking detail to do the best they possibly can to determine actually who these remains are. >> bill: chairman kim, there is a piece in the "wall street journal," has characterized himself in a different way for his own people showing himself to be focused on domestic policy. what would that suggest in the grand scheme here? >> kim is out running around the country, uncharacteristically so, since the six or seven years he has been there as the chancellor, he has been -- chairman, excuse me. he only visits military sites. and what he has been out doing is going to workplaces, factories and what he is seeing
is poor conditions, a lack of modern machinery, rundown conditions in the sense that the place isn't even clean and certainly if he is dealing with his own working class people he is seeing people undernourished. that's in stark contrast for the exposure he had in singapore out looking at the entertainment side of downtown singapore and seeing results of the thriving economy. he has been talking, since january, about a strategic shift. that strategic shift implies moving away from nuclear power to economic power. to wanting to do something about his country. the more he is doing things like this and actually taking time to understand what is happening and possibly what the solutions are, those are positive steps. it doesn't mean he will totally
organization that don't like any part of this. there is a lot going on in north korea's leadership as well. we'll see what turns out. >> bill: thank you, sir, for being here. >> sandra: new details emerging about missing iowa student who disappeared almost two weeks ago. what we're now learning about the search for mollie tibbetts. we're live with the details next. plus the president of turkey now defiant after the u.s. threatened steep sanctions if he continues to detain an american pastor. will the administration succeed in securing his release? >> pastor andrew brunson should be freed and allowed to return to his family, to his home, to his church and his nation in the united states of america.
>> bill: the turkish president pushing back saying his country won't back down. we await announcement from jeff sessions on religious freedom. we're watching for that and any possible news on pastor andrew brunson. here is the vice president talking about his case. >> president trump and i have engaged president erdogan and the turkish government directly to release pastor andrew brunson and send him home. the negotiations have been on going and continuous. home arrest is not good enough. the united states of america is prepared to bring sanctions against turkey until pastor andrew brunson is freed. >> bill: a.g. sessions there in a moment. we'll monitor that for development and headlines from the justice department today.
>> sandra: new developments in the case of this missing iowa student. investigators saying mollie tibbetts may have returned to her boyfriend's house after her jog on the night she disappeared. matt finn is live in chicago with details about the new evidence. what are we learning? >> 20-year-old mollie tibbetts vanished july 18th around the same time she went for a jog. now her family says she might have made it back to her boyfriend's house that day. meaning she didn't disappear while on the jog. family members told a local news station about the new information over the weekend but so far authorities have not released a new version of their timeline. tibbetts was staying at her boyfriend's house at the time of her disappearance to watch his dogs as he was at a construction job 100 miles northeast. the boyfriend said he was alarmed and called family and friends when he found out tibbetts didn't show up to work or respond to one of his text
messages. tibbetts' father is pleading for information. >> it doesn't matter what we're going through. we just need people to think, if somebody knows something and they don't even know it's important. we can get mollie back, we have to have somebody call. >> tibbetts' aunt did an interview where she says it's not true her niece was running in a corn field when she went missing. >> sandra: the young woman is an avid runner. she usually wore a fit bit which might help investigators? >> it might give investigators a ton of data including her gps and location on heart rate and her social media accounts might also confirm she did return to her boyfriend's house the day she went missing on july 18th. >> sandra: we'll continue following this story closely. >> bill: in the meantime
president trump's nominee for the supreme court brett kavanaugh set to hold the first meeting with a democratic senator. why this sit-down could have big implications for the battle over his confirmation on the hill. >> sandra: justice ruth bader ginsberg is speaking out about her future on the bench. what she is saying about her retirement. >> bill: and the war of words ratcheting up between president trump's current and former attorneys back and forth they go. >> now i've listened to many, many hours of tapes and the man is a pathological manipulator, liar.
optimistic. >> he has a proven record. that's what the president made this nomination about. that's the message we'll carry to the senate. we remain confident that before the fall is out, judge bret kavanaugh will about justice brett cavanaugh. >> sandra: judge andrew napolitano joining us. good monday morning to you. administration, the vice president sounding very optimistic about the confirmation process. should they be? >> yes, i think they should be. it seems that the republicans are supporting judge kavanaugh. look, there is a little bit of concern on the part of senators collins and murcowski about his attitude about roe versus wade and then on the other end there is concern by senators lee and paul about his attitude about -- i've spoken with them about domestic spying. i think he has overcome their concerns so the only real republican concerns are
senators murcowski and collins. if they come along no democratic votes are needed. that makes it easy for senator manchin, senator heitkamp, senator mccaskill. these are democrats running against strong republicans for reelection in states that the president carried handily two years ago to vote in favor of judge kavanaugh there by removing the kavanaugh issue from their electoral contest. >> sandra: the meeting with joe manchin. >> that's significant. schumer has asked them not to meet with judge kavanaugh because the white house is refusing a category of documents that the democrats have requested and those documents concern the legal advice that then lawyer brett kavanaugh gave to then president george w. bush when they were crafting the patriot act. this is very interesting. the concept of the patriot act, surveillance on people without
a warrant, will come to the court while judge kavanaugh sits on the court and the democrats want to know his attitude about these things. >> sandra: so as kavanaugh sits down with democrats. what is going to be their primary concern and primary choice of topic with kavanaugh? >> probably civil liberties and privacy. it was the concern of senator lee and paul for the pro-individual liberty, small government republicans. that's an area of significant concern. it is also a concern for the democrats. >> sandra: what about views on executive power? >> another problem with senator paul and senator lee, a problem for confirmation, and an issue for the democrats as well. at one point then mr. kavanaugh said if the president tells a lie to the american public that's the basis for impeachment. he has since withdrawn that. another point if the president does it and uses his official
power it is not unlawful. he has withdrawn that. that's extreme statements about the presidency and why your question is right and they want to grill him on this. >> sandra: we'll see how it goes. meanwhile ruth bader ginsberg, don't worry about me, i still have five more years in me. >> she is 85 years old. the oldest justice to retire was holmes at 91. she will probably stay until 92. no surprise. ruth bader ginsburg quite improperly said as a sitting security justice if donald trump wins i'll go to canada. she withdrew the statement. she is not going to leave the court voluntarily during president trump's time in office. >> sandra: to be exact here is her statement on her retirement from the supreme court. i am now 85. justice jean-paul stevens stepped down when he was 90. i think i have at least five
more years. >> she is a character. there are movies about her, a play about her. she works out every day in the gym with justices gorsuch, young enough to be her grandson. >> sandra: her health appears to be good. >> yes. >> sandra: this is likely going to be a game-changing week as far as the confirmation process and meeting with democrats. >> i don't think the democrats will say how they'll vote this week. the fact that they're meeting with him in defiance of senator schumer is quite telling. >> sandra: byron york was on at the top of the hour and said the key question for democrats will be if you voted yes for gorsuch, how can you not do so for kavanaugh? >> that's a good question for democrats. for republicans it's different. the significance of the fourth amendment, the right to privacy is different than judge kavanaugh's. for a democrat that's a very telling question. how can you vote yes or one and no for the other?
>> sandra: a lot more coming up next hour on that. judge, good to see you. >> bill: more legal matters. president trump's attorney rudy giuliani ramping up his attacks on michael cohen suggesting a leaked audio recording of mr. trump and cohen may have been tampered with while going after cohen's credibility. >> they not only taped lawyers but intended to deceive because he had a conversation with one of your colleagues, chris cuomo. he put his phone in a drawer, and said we'll be off the record, no recording and proceeded to record two hours of that conversation. makes him a total liar. i didn't know that. >> bill: rick leventhal has more on the story. the mayor is talking a lot today. >> he is indeed. rudy giuliani says george washington would have called benidict arnold an honest man before he found out he was a traitor. he is calling cohen a pathological manipulator and
some are betrayed by those they trusted and that's what happened here saying giuliani defended cohen before he knew what a scoundrel he was. if cohen taped everything else, why not his conversation with the president regarding that meeting with the russian lawyer and told chris wallace on sunday cohen has no credibility left. >> i should say i feel sorry for him but nobody will believe me. he has destroyed himself, chris, as a witness. i prosecuted 5,000 cases. i would never prosecute a case on this guy's testimony. >> senator lindsey graham told maria bartiromo saying he doesn't trust his word and challenged him to come back to congress and testify other oath. >> i've never seen a lawyer behave this way in my entire life and i've been a lawyer my adult life. cohen, you should be suspicious of everything he says. he is on the hot seat and looking to going to jail. >> no response this morning
from cohen's lawyer lanny davis. he said he recorded people instead of taking notes and never wanted to deceive anyone. cohen is determined to do the right thing. this morning on "fox & friends" giuliani said he isn't buying it. >> i think lanny davis may claim he knows about the kennedy assassination and trump is somehow involved. it is a wild and crazy and they're out of their minds. he did not participate in any meeting with the russia transaction, the president did not. and the other people at the meeting that he claims he had without the president about it say he was never there. >> giuliani says the government has 183 tapes. he says only a dozen directly involve the president and all the tapes will eventually exonerate president trump. >> bill: more the come. rick leventhal in new york. >> sandra: dow opened eight minutes ago and it is a bit to the down side at the moment.
okay. look at that. sharply unchanged. >> bill: that's the phrase you use. >> sandra: to quote trading floor days. there you go. the dow is getting a bit of a boost compared to the rest of the market. the nasdaq and s&p 500. the dow getting a boost from caterpillar. seed company, agricultural company getting a boost for record earnings in its latest quarter. that's helping boost the dow into positive territory. a lot of concern about technology names and weighing on the nasdaq and broader u.s. stock market. >> bill: facebook and twitter were hammered last week. >> sandra: will they bounce back? it was quite a week. >> bill: these big companies, they reach a point where it's the point of no return. >> sandra: technology has been dragging down the broader market the past few days. we'll see if the broader market gets a chance this week.
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shortstop allen trammell. they bring the total number of players inducted into the hall of fame to 257. >> bill: good class. >> where are all the cubs in there and -- pete rose goes to cooperstown every year and but allowed to set foot inside there because of a ban. he says the baseballs are juiced. there is no doubt in his mind that the baseball players these days have a juiced baseball and why the ball is flying out of these parks. he said he will be at war with baseball until the day he dies. 15 minutes before the hour. cbs board of directors will meet to talk about the ceo less moonves. detailing allegations of sexual harassment and misconduct from six women who worked with him. howie kurtz host of "media
buzz". the allegations go back two decades, some five or 10 years ago. first what's story on this, howie? >> these allegations reported are devastating and chilling, bill. one example, actress douglas she says moonves pinned her down and tried to grope her and then she was fired from a sitcom. another writer said, he threatened to ruin her career. the on the record accounts has caused an explosion. anybody below the level of chairman cbs would have gotten rid of that person as happened with charlie rose and on nbc the matt lauer. >> bill: does he survive this? he has been fighting off a merger. a big battle for money, howie. >> it could effect the efforts
to combine viacom and cbs and some of the independent cbs directors talking to over the weekend moonves should be suspended while the internal investigation takes place. he is entitled to a fair investigation. they don't have the majority at the moment. a big black eye, cbs logo and these allegations with moonves says he regrets if he made everybody uncomfortable is a black eye for cbs and not clear how much he can survive in the job. >> there were times decades ago i may have women uncomfortable according to him. "new york times," the president, the tweet on saturday had a very good and interesting meeting at the white house, the president says, with a.g. from "the new york times."
so that prompted salzburger to go public. it was off the record. then he says this. i told him that although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful i'm far more concerned his labeling journalists the enemy of the people and that it's arising to a threat against journalist and lead to violence. we don't normally hear about the meetings but now we have. >> sandra: the president has had a number of the meetings with don't hear about but he opened the door with the tweet and inabled this 37-year-old publisher of the "new york times" to talk about how he had told the president that he believes that some of the anti-press rhetoric is inflammatory and dangerous. president came back with an utter tweet storm. he does get overwhelmingly unfair coverage from the press, "new york times" doesn't have one pro-trump columnist. even the conservative columnists don't like donald trump but he talked about unpatriotic journalist that reveal tiner workings of
government and flies in the face of a lot of instances where media organizations have been withholding national security secrets if it would jeopardize anybody's life not exposing problems at the epa. something that shows that donald trump really does care about courting what he calls the failing "new york times" started as a healthy thing has dissolved to acrimony on both sides. >> when they reveal internal liberations of our government it puts the lives of many not just journalists at risk. very unpatriotic. he sees the "washington post" and "new york times" every day as newspapers that -- publications that will not report a good word about him or his administration. if you go back 20 years in donald trump's life. he has repeated that theme against those who he believes are not giving him favorable
coverage. that is a long history personally for him, howie. >> right. now he overstates the case a little bit. he occasionally gets -- he does have a legitimate beef here where certainly on the commentary side and a lot of the news stories are framed as anti-trump. salzburger comes back you're jeopardizing lives of journalists around the world particularly in dictatorships. it sounded like it was a good meeting. each side made points and listened to each other. now it's gone public once again we have the hostility coming out and it has become a trademark of this presidency. >> bill: a lot to talk about, howie. nice show on sunday. see you soon. howie kurtz in washington thank you. >> sandra: is big brother lurking at our airports? new report says there are federal air marshals watching your every move and it's for your protection. we're live with the details on
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this morning for a program that keeps track of u.s. citizens flying in and out of airports. a new report saying the agency is using an algorithm to collect information on travelers even if they aren't suspected of any crime in order to keep everyone safe. laura engel live in new york with the details on this. >> well, indeed this has caught a lot of people offguard. details of the program were first reported over the weekend by the "boston globe" which highlighted undercover work of tsa agents as travelers pass through airport secure. now, the domestic surveillance program has been in existence since 2010. the program uses the computer algorithm to spot flyers and activity match with current threat intelligence. a human team vets the information. if there is a red flag in the flyer's background that flyer may be surveilled by federal
air marshals. tsa issued a statement saying can troer to the article published by the globe it doesn't take into account race or religion and not intended to surveil ordinary americans. the program's core design is no different putting a police officer on a beat where intelligence present the need for wafrp and deterrents. it analyzes information on a passenger's travel pattern and through that system of checks and balances to improve oversight adding an additional line of defense to aviation security saying they have routine reviews. >> sandra: you have our attention. a concern not only by civil rights groups but also from within the program as well. >> we're hearing a lot of blowback today. numerous reports the program has drawn criticism within the agency as well. the president of the air
marshal association telling the "boston globe" the air marshal associations that missions based on recognized intelligence or in support of ongoing federal investigations is the proper criteria for flight scheduling. currently the quiet skies program doesn't meet the criteria we find acceptable. a strong statement there. at least one air marshal has filed a complaint with the department of homeland security inspector general's office about this program. >> sandra: wow, laura. thank you. >> bill: moments from now brett kavanaugh is on the hill set to hold his first meeting with a democratic senator today. we'll ask alan dershowitz why this meeting will be so important coming up moments away.
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senator joe manchin. he is a democrat from a state president trump won easily and he is on the ballot in november. so we expect senator manchin, judge brett kavanaugh to meet at 2:30 p.m. eastern time this afternoon. manchin has been meeting with constituents to discuss the kavanaugh nomination and set up an email address so constituents can email him about kavanaugh. senate republicans are predicting a few democrats are likely to vote yes on kavanaugh. >> i have zero doubt he will be on the supreme court before the end of october. he is highly qualified, well deserving. we'll break the back of every democratic effort to stop this good man from being on the supreme court. >> as you've seen in some of the poll numbers in the states that are red states where you've got a democratic senator, he is very popular. people want to see him confirmed. in the end he will do very well. >> bill: kavanaugh is scheduled
to meet with joe donnelly of indiana august 15th. another democrat facing a tough reelection in a state president trump won. >> bill: what is the play from democrats at this stage? >> senate leadership on the democrat side continues pushing for more and more documentation related to judge brett kavanaugh's service, particularly in the george w. bush white house. senate democratic leader chuck schumer complained on friday, quote, this deliberately selective request leaves out what may be the most important thing in judge kavanaugh's record, his time as white house staff secretary. what are the republicans hiding in his record? republicans complain that's a taxpayer funded fishing expedition designed as a stall tactic. >> bill: watching it from hill. >> sandra: let's bring in today's headliner alan dershowitz, harvard law professor emeritus.
good to have you as our headliner this morning. are you optimistic that this confirmation process that kavanaugh will be ultimately confirmed? >> i would hope we could get politics out of the confirmation process. we should be confirming the most qualified people in the country without regard to political benefit, political gain. i hate the idea that we are going to see senators in swing states or senators in red states who are running for election, that's not the way the framers contemplated justices being nominated and confirmed to the supreme court. they had in mind the very best people. when president hoover got a vacancy of oliver wendell holmes, perhaps the greatest judge in american history. he wanted a list of the 10 best people in america. it's a great list but it's
upside down. the attorney general said he is a democrat and he is a jew and hoover said, i don't care, i want the best person possible and he appointed benjamin cardoza. i wish we went back to those days. they're long gone. if it's because of the merit garland -- it's completely political and all senators should keep an open mind. interview kavanaugh. wait to see what he thinks of the tower of precedent. whether he will start overruling cases and then cast their vote on the basis of the quality of the candidate not the political advantage or disadvantage they get from voting one way or the other. >> bill: it's the topic of the day in washington vice president pence characterized it this way over the weekend. >> he was looking for a judge
with extraordinary credentials and intellect but also a judge who would strictly interpret the constitution as written. and not legislate from the bench. judge brett kavanaugh has that judicial philosophy. he has a proven record. we remain confident that before the fall is out, that judge brett kavanaugh will be justice brett kavanaugh. >> bill: october 1 is the date mitch mcconnell put out there. it is possible because of the republican majority in the senate. these democrats who are running for reelection in very tight races now in states where the president won rather handily in 2016, they all voted for neil gorsuch. so how do you work that into the mix of being against someone like kavanaugh? >> it's very hard. gorsuch was a hard vote because he shouldn't have been the nominee. it should have been mer -- merrick garland. i think kavanaugh is at least
as qualified as gorsuch and likely in the end to get confirmed but, you know, when pence talks about judicial restraint and strict construction of the constitution that becomes a cliche. in bush versus gore, the conservatives stretched the constitution to apply equal protection analysis to the way ballots were counted. so each side stretches the constitution when it serves their interest and reads it narrowly when it serves their interest. we're looking for a person who can be a justice 20 or 30 years from now. we don't know what the issues will be in 20 or 30 years. abortion may be off the table and we may have developed technologies to develop the need for abortion. gay rights probably will be an issue of historic interest. we don't know what the issues will be. that's why we need the most qualified, brilliant, academic, serious people serving on the court without regard to what their current political interests are. justices tend to change over
time. earl warren, william brennan all changed. felix frac furt started as a liberal and become a conservative. i have no doubt kavanaugh will be confirmed and it won't be that close a vote. he will get 54 or 55 votes, i think. because the president selected well. if he had picked somebody far less qualified who has strong ideological views it would be a closer vote. i think kavanaugh has extraordinary experience and he is very well thought of. he taught at harvard. the students loved him. many of the students both liberals and conservatives wrote a petition supporting him. i think unless something comes up that we're not aware of, i'm pretty sure he will be confirmed. >> sandra: the president and his team are optimistic he will be confirmed. michael cohen, the president's former lawyer, still big time
in the news. you see the headlines everywhere. rudy giuliani is still going after him and here is one of his latest about recording the client and the offense. watch. >> i found out, as everyone else did, he was recording his clients, which is a disbarable offense. obviously if i knew that i wouldn't have said he was a reputable lawyer, i would have said he is a scoundrel. >> that's the play nou. looks like michael cohen will be flipped, and he will be squeezed. and the fear -- >> sandra: that's unfortunate. that's a monday morning for you. >> bill: we'll wait a moment. he is at martha's vineyard. is weather is good. >> sandra: he comes to us via skype. it happened now. >> bill: the point on giuliani
and we'll try to get dershowitz back in a moment. he has done a series of interviews on sunday and earlier today on "fox & friends" and cnn earlier today did a long interview with cammarata. he said at one point there are 183 audio recordings michael cohen has in his possession. only one has the voice of president trump and 10 or 12 -- here is more on giuliani now. this is from "fox & friends" early today. sound bite number five, shall we as we await dershowitz. >> michael cohen is afraid of going to jail. i don't know what he is afraid from going to jail about for anything he -- somebody thinks he did with us. he didn't. he didn't commit any crime with president trump. nor did he commit acrime around anybody around president trump. there are a lot of materials
more than concern us in boxes and everything else that concern his taxing medallions, bank loans. i have no reason to believe they're illegal and no reason the government didn't have probable cause to raid him. there is something there we don't know. >> sandra: professor dershowitz is back with us now. are you there, professor? >> i hear you fine. i don't know why you couldn't see or hear me. that's technology. >> sandra: rudy giuliani really trying to speculate on why michael cohen is doing this and he suggests that this is because he is afraid of jail time. >> well, of course that's what he is doing. of course he would much prefer to remain loyal to president trump but prosecutors have him in a squeeze. they may have information about his taxing medallions, about another kinds of issues and that's what they're doing with manafort. they aren't interested in
manafort, they're interested in manafort testifying against trump or providing information as judge ellis said, you have to worry not only about squeezed witnesses singing but about them making up stories, elaborating on stories. the better the story, the better the deal they'll great. the great fear when you deal with witnesses and try to prosecute them in order to get them to testify against other people. i used to teach my first year students always commit a crime with somebody in america with more important than you are so you can turn them in and they can't turn you in. that's the play that's going on now. >> bill: paul manafort's trial begins tomorrow. trump and his lawyers have repeatedly sought to play down manafort's connection to the president. there you go. the trial won't be entirely without references to the campaign. giuliani said just this morning manafort has nothing on the president. he was part of this his campaign for four months.
we believe the trial deals with financial matters that go back to 2005. what is important to watch in manafort's file? he has been in solitary confinement for two months behind bars? what do we look for there? >> whether the prosecution tries to hint at his relationships with trump. his lawyers will try to keep that out because they don't want him to be prejudiced by associate with a president who has supporters but also enemies. we'll see whether or not the prosecution tries to introduce anything regarding trump or whether it's a pure trial of manafort for what he did years and years earlier. and we'll look to see how the judge rules. the judge is not sympathetic to this prosecution and i suspect we'll see that in some of his rulings. >> sandra: what ultimately will the decision made here say about the mueller investigation? >> well, if he is acquitted it will be a blow to the investigation and if he is
convicted it will give mueller an opportunity to squeeze him. remember, he is standing trial in the district of columbia where he is less likely to get sympathetic jury. they're heavily democrat. the virginia jury pool is a mix of democrats and republicans. they have two shots at him and hoping to succeed in at least one of them and put the pressure on saying look, you have two choices, die in prison or testify against your former associate. and most people will take the testify option rather than the die in prison option. >> bill: thanks for coming in today. allen dershowitz from martha's vineyard. republicans ramping up for the mid-terms. can the president energize american voters just like 2016? >> sandra: president trump raising the stakes in the battle for security threatening
democrats with a government shutdown if they don't beef up funding. >> american citizens will not pay for this wall. he is not going to shut down the government and we are not going to be intimidated by his bluffing and his bullying. high protein
>> this president is a bully and he will try and intimidate all of us. he is not going to shut down anything. as a matter of fact, people will remember that he said he was going to build this wall and he was going to make mexico pay for the wall. they said they weren't going to pay for anything. now he wants the american citizens to pay for this wall. >> bill: i said the campaign is underway. maxine waters warning president trump will do what it takes to shut down america. president trump said i will be willing to shut down the government. must get rid of lottery, catch and release and go to the system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into our country. that got some attention. america's a-team is here. hugo gurton, "washington examiner". chris stirewalt free from the swamp for now.
mary anne marsh, former senior advisor to john kerry. >> i think it was not a very helpful comment by the president. you will probably remember the last shutdown was the only one where the democrats got the blame and that's partly because the republicans were just asking for something reasonable for some funding and they were the ones who seemed unreasonable over daca. as you saw from the comments of various republican politicians on sunday they say we want to avoid a shutdown. >> sandra: does the president change the narrative with this threat? >> look, the issue here it's all republican on republican violence. the democrats right now are content to stand back and watch this play out. the problem is what can get 51 votes in the senate? and what can get a majority of the house? now, the real impediment on the house side is the freedom caucus. we saw it play out when it came to the adults brought to the united states illegally as
minors, the daca adults now. full funding for the wall was offered and it came with amnesty. the freedom caucus said no. it's tough to put together. >> chris makes a great point. look at the politics. the fact is donald trump wants to do this when not one republican wants to do it. paul ryan doesn't want to do it. mitch mcconnell doesn't want to do it and they came out on wednesday and said they had a deal with donald trump not to do it tells you everything about trump's thinking now. he is playing to the 22% that supports him because he needs them for other reasons. they were very angry with him when he didn't get the immigration through the last time. he said he would make sure he got it through the next time. if you look at all of this, when he is playing to them he actually is going to hurt himself more because if the government shuts down, it hurts the republicans and that hurts -- he will be in a world of hurt if republicans lose the majority in november. >> sandra: strong supporters of
the president former speaker of the house newt gingrich spoke about whether a shutdown would be good for republicans ahead of the election. >> the president gets in a fight where the issue is not just the wall but a democratic party committed to open borders and wide open migration with no controls versus a republican party trying to protect you from criminals, i think that's a dead loser for the democrats in october. >> newt gingrich lost the republican majority when he shut down the government. i find that very interesting. >> he did a couple other things, too. >> bill: setting up a contrast with the obama, ice issue and setting that up with a president who wants stronger immigration. that's the contrast. >> the president's policies are popular. i think they do win support. what the republicans on capitol hill don't want is the republicans to get the blame for the shutdown if it comes. >> the president's interests
diverge from his party's. i don't think losing a house is a catastrophe for donald trump. he would be rather with fighting with maxine waters than explaining why people can't get stuff done in the house because of disagreements with the freedom caucus. the president's brand and interest could be served by a shutdown. his party's interest in the mid-term would not. >> bill: bannon has on with hannity. he thinks november is a referendum on president trump and his policies and democrats getting a doover. >> i think it is president trump's first reelect. a referendum on the trump presidency. they are very focused. the opposition is trying to win the house of representatives and congress in order to impeach president trump and stop the entire project. the democrats got one thing. they got a do over. 100 days and a wake-up.
we'll have essentially a national election. >> bill: i watched that interview and it's a call to action on behalf of steve bannon, a message to president trump and republicans across the country. >> the president is engaged and making endorsements and is picking candidates in races and raising a ton of money. i don't know what it is that steve bannon thinks the president could or should doing. i can't think of a president more engaged on the mid-term front than this president and i have not seen a party that has been more acutely aware of the dangers it faces. they may not want to talk about it but the republicans know they're up against it. >> i think you're right, bill. this is a message to the president. back in the middle of last week the people -- leaders in congress thought they had a deal with the president about funding and going slow and paul ryan was saying the president was willing to be patient. he probably hears things like that and says wait a minute, i have to play to my base. >> sandra: they will be touting the economy and mike pence says
it will energize voters. the president's policies and the accomplishments and successes of this administration will get people out. >> trump's voters aren't enough for the republicans to keep the house and senate. that's the problem. this is a referendum on donald trump. every day he is dropping i.e.d.s along the campaign trail for every republican. >> bill: they are enough if they turn out to vote. what happened in the special election in pennsylvania they didn't turn out and they lost. >> democrats are in dead heats for u.s. senate races in texas, mississippi, tennessee. that should tell you everything about this election. >> bill: more of steve bannon as to what happens if nancy pelosi is your speaker. watch. >> the way to win this is exactly like we won in 2010. the great tea party sweep. you'll have to go outdoor to door, ring door bells, do voter registration drives and get people out. president trump has delivered on the action. now it's time for the populous,
nationalist movement and conservative movement, everybody that turned out in 2016, you have to do it all over again or the first action they are going to take under nancy pelosi or whoever the democratic speaker is try to impeach president trump. >> i don't think -- the democratic leadership does not want to impeach president trump. there is a lot of pressure from the base, like 70% of the base would really like that. but the democrats saw what happened when president clinton was impeached and there was a reaction. they don't want to help reelect president trump by turning the populous -- turning the country against the impeachment. >> i think donald trump would be well served by democratic house. i think it would help his 2020 chances substantially and i think that all this cockamamie business they're doing and his elevation of maxine waters is a perfect example, pick your enemies. elevate the people you want to do. donald trump running for reelection and saying this is your party, this is nancy pelosi and the impeachment
caucus. i'm trying to get things done and they won't let me. >> he is staring down the barrel of losing the house and senate. that endangers everything donald trump wants. >> we'll talk about texas in a minute. >> sandra: thanks to all three of you. see you in a few minutes. breaking news as the wildfires rage on across california. >> if you feel the need, you don't feel safe, trust that intuition and the gut feeling and leave ahead of time. don't wait for a notice. >> sandra: 17 fires burning across the golden state. the latest on firefighters' efforts to contain this blaze next. >> bill: employers looking to take a new approach to hiring their employees. as the trump team says they believe they will keep the economy riding high for years to come. >> everybody gave the reasons why we couldn't get to three and we came up with the reasons and the policies. so i think you are beginning to see projections go higher.
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>> sandra: fox news alert on the deadly wildfires in california. firefighters battling more than a dozen fires up and down the state. up north six people confirmed dead in the carr fire. seven others still unaccounted for. hundreds of structures burned to the ground. evacuation orders in effect for some 10,000 people in the area. weather conditions making it harder and harder for firefighters. >> the fire ran with such ferocity. there were winds 70 plus mile-per-hour winds, tornado-like winds going through. you can see it when you go out in some of the neighborhoods. you are seeing trees uprooted sticking up. many of you have the photos and video of that. you see roofs ripped off houses. the fire didn't do that. the wind did. >> sandra: investigators believe that fire started with the mechanical failure of a vehicle.
>> bill: trump team making the rounds over the weekend riding high on a strong second quarter showing and giving new hope to employers and employees alike. 4.1%. fastest rate in four years. the trump administration says they think the growth is sustainable. they're talking about years of growth. better than 4%. >> it is completely attainable at this point. the economy is firing on all cylinders. businesses are hiring, investment is stronger, interest rate environment is hospitable telling us we have a good economy. 4.1% is a very good read on friday. anywhere from 3 to 5% i'll take it after the recession. we're looking at really strong numbers. >> sandra: 3% sustainable. larry kudlow was on and i asked if 4.1 is sustainable and he is
looking at growth with as far as the eye can see with this president's policies. >> the stock market and where will we go with tariffs? this could be a good kick for the economy let's figure out nafta soon and with the e.u. they have a discussion going as far as agricultural exports, soybeans and high-quality beef from the united states. let's get some of that going. isolate china. deal with intellectual property theft and you have a game changer. the markets would love to see that now. >> sandra: the president has some concern with interest rates. something unprecedented for a sitting president to talk about the rising interest rate environment, possibly two more hikes by the fed this year? could that change things. >> i'm not too worried about interest rates. our president has done something no other president normally does, comment on the what is the independence of the federal reserve. he has his opinion and a
twitter account. you can't ignore that. i'm not worried about interest rates at all. i would have expected them to go higher based on where the stock market is. you'll see higher inflation. the gradual increases. someone was saying they should have started raising interest rates sooner than they did but the amount of economic stimulus. we weren't having a true market and as a stock market watcher i want to know what the true numbers are. we're getting that environment now. >> bill: "wall street journal" has a story of companies hiring people without experience. employers eager to hire try a new policy. no experience necessary. inexperienced job applicants face better odds in the labor market as more companies drop work history and degree requirements from the "wall street journal." >> absolutely. no experience, no problem. we're in a completely new environment when it comes to the job market. i used to come on fox news all the time to help our viewers find jobs. i don't have to do that anymore. there are so many jobs out
there. a million new jobs opened up just last year to people that have no experience. a million new jobs. that was in 2017. we're now well into 2018. >> sandra: what type of jobs. >> intel, they're willing to hire self--taught programmers. used to be you had to have a degree and experience. even intel is saying that's okay. they are so desperate for people that have that type of experience. it is incredible. look at somebody like the drugstore chains. you could be a branch manager at a bank and not have any college whatsoever on your resume. i won't name a specific bank. think of that type of job that always needed some college. it doesn't anymore because the labor market is so tight. unemployment at record lows. >> bill: millennials are popping around between jobs. they hold a job for a year or two. is this a reflection of that? >> it is. you are always seeing more opportunity. any time you can see a job that pay better and more opportunity
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hugo gurdon, chris stirewalt and mary anne marsh. this debate overshadow banning. a lot of people fell into a same camp as nunes. >> a lot of people don't. an accurate sense conservatives aren't showing up on social media as much and there is some kind of bias in the way things are being done on social media. i don't think devin nunes has much of a -- i don't think there is much chance against legal action against the companies. they're private companies and can have bias but they should be very worried. they'll lose a lot of customers and they'll lose a lot of public support if they have bias. >> sandra: they have to answer to folks. twitter has acknowledged it is a problem with their algorithm. >> nobody wants to end up like
facebook. they didn't clean house and they didn't do the right things. so as twitter is trying to clean up and get rid of the spam and the bots and the filth that is the lower third of fake twitter, as they are trying to clean that out, by consequence individuals that are followed by a lot of bots or individuals followed by people who then interact with bots and that stuff were getting tamped out. to hugo's point they'll lose support among conservatives. they're trying to fix it. based on what facebook did, look at what happened to their stock and future. >> bill: mary anne doesn't have this problem. she has an open road. >> people like my puppy videos more. the fact is, nobody cries wolf like devin nunes. twitter admitted they had a problem and trying to get rid
of trolls. so they fixed it on wednesday. yet they are still complaining. trollers will troll. credit to twitter they are trying to clean it up. people lost followers but they're doing the right thing here. >> bill: i think the bigger story is what happens on the russian matters if you have a mid-term three months away. nunes is making the case there is stall ball with the department of justice. he said it again. watch. >> there is a stall game going on at d.o.j. and f.b.i. stall as much as they can hoping and betting that republicans would lose the house in the fall. if that happens, then you essentially shut down everything. rod rosenstein won't be held in contempt. f.b.i. won't be held accountable. the investigations will shut down. >> bill: if you don't control the committees after the committees you're probably right about that. if that's the case the clock is running. >> he doesn't have the support of his conference or the rest
of the republicans. nunes -- basicly jim jordan is running for speaker trying to beat kevin mccarthy. this is driving huge wedges between the freedom caucus side, the anti-f.b.i. side and the rest of the republicans. this is going to be hot, hard and very unpleasant as they go forward. >> the politics of that is what you say but nunes is right, there has been stonewalling and delay. the house took a year, i think it was, to get some documents. >> isn't that a fact, mary anne? >> please tell me once that any claim deafin nunes made about this investigation has been born out. not once. he cried wolf every time. wait until you see the 20 pages they redacted in the fisa report. he has proven wrong every time. if i'm nunes i'm more worried
about my legal life than anything. >> there was one thing which was half wrong. the rest were completely right. >> i go with judge napolitano on this one who was the former fisa court judge himself and issued these things. that fisa -- those fisa decisions every single one of them legit, above board and nunes has only issued reports from that committee with republicans only and that has been shameful. >> sandra: if republicans were to lose control of the house what happens to the push for these documents then? >> the same thing that will happen if republicans maintain control of the house. paul ryan -- it would require republicans to keep the house and jim jordan to defeat mccarthy for the speakership. nunes is at odds with richard burr. so does trey gowdy and a lot of guys who carry clout among republicans. they need a triple bank shot.
>> the one that matters most is mueller in the end. it's not nunes, burr or anybody else, it's robert mueller. >> bill: great to see you, reverend, brother, thank you very much. when will folks learn when it comes to social media? never. would a boat load of money make you feel better about your wife cheating on you? two topics for the 24/7 crew served up on a monday. >> sandra: holy moley. ♪
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newcomb throwing a no-hitter. someone is going through his timeline. let's see what we can find on this guy and find a series of tweets that include gay slurs, racial and sexist language and it happens to trai turner of the nationals. both guys apologized. jon lester weighed in. check out the tweet talking about this hot topic of baseball players getting in trouble for this. if you're an twitter spend the next five minutes that's all it takes. scrub your account of anything you wouldn't want plastered on your face. don't say stupid things in the first place and added, i know some of these guys are great dudes who had lapsed in judgment. mike rizzo, the general manager of the nation always says trea turner, this is not the behavior we've seen.
but the new york yankees, yeah, he conducted himself as part of our team and apologized. the new york yankees will unretire mickey mantles tweet in 1961. that's my comment on the whole story. >> i think to play off this for a second. the question is should adults be held accountable for what you say as a teenager? i think major league baseball has done a good job of towing the line where the players have to go to diversity training. issue an apology but the punishments are short of a suspension and kids out there that are going better know the college admission folks look at social media profiles. it's a big deal. >> with all the money involved how are agents and teams not doing this work for the players? get on that. >> don't say it in the first
place. >> bill: what happened to this financial reward? >> is it illegal to cheat on your spouse? that's the big question of the day? listen to this, a judge in north carolina ruled a man, keith king, will be awarded 8.8 million dollars from the man who had an affair with his wife. is guy who cheated on his wife had to pay this guy $8.8 million for doing so. north carolina is one of six states that has an alienation of affection law on the books. i had never heard of this law before. many people haven't. >> why is he accountable and not the wife? >> what king's lawyers had to prove. he had a happy marriage before and because this guy interjected into the marriage there was no way it would be successful. $8.8 million. >> bill: the judge did that? i sense an appeal here. >> you know what? you are correct in your sense of said appeal.
it is already happening. >> there is compensatory damage and punitive. this seems goofy. when did it become illegal to act like a jerk which would go back to the first story. you were a jerk when you sent out the tweets, should you go to career jail for it or in this case have to pay? >> folks in these states, hawaii, north carolina, mississippi, new mexico, south dakota. don't cheat on your wife or you will have to pay a lot of money. >> sandra: with somebody else's spouse is the point, right? got it. meanwhile we'll continue to follow this for you. 17 wildfires raging across california. six people now dead. tens of thousands of people abandoning homes there. we're live on the ground as fire crews work through the night to contain those flames plus president trump putting pressure on lawmakers to approve funding for the border wall. or else. brit hume with reaction as a
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government if the democrats don't give us the votes for border security which includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch and release, etc. and finally get a system of immigration based on merit. we need great people coming into our country. chief white house correspondent john roberts live on the north lawn. great to see you. good morning to you on this. where are we? >> bill, good morning to you. the president is banking that he can buck historical precedent hoping that republicans don't get blamed as they typically do if there is a government shutdown. the president's strategy is to tie a possible government shutdown to the need for national security insisting that he needs changes in immigration law and money for a border wall in the budget. the president tweeting this morning we must have border security, get rid of chain lottery, sanctuary cities and immigration and protect ice and law enforcement but keep building and much faster the wall.
republicans and democrats alike warning against a shutdown. ron johnson and chris van hallon, listen here. >> a little better prioritization spending. i don't like playing shutdown politics. let's try to avoid it. >> the shutdown would be very bad news for the country, total disruption and a bad ideas for republicans. >> what's unclear is whether or not this is a real high stakes gamble by the president or if it's a bluff. also unclear is which party would take the blame if there is a government shutdown. history would seem to suggest it would be the republicans. >> bill: what is the latest on the michael cohen tapes? >> it is clear that there is -- let me put it this way. it's clear that any love there was between the president and michael cohen and any sense of loyalty the two had for each other has absolutely been
obliterated. rudy giuliani over the weekend and again today suggesting that cohen has no ethics. that he is not operating above the law or above board at the very least by taping not only the president, but other clients. listen to what giuliani said this morning. >> the recording that we have, 183. other recordings of other people having nothing to do with trump, trump organization. which will give you an idea what a scoundrel he was. i didn't know this about him. up until two months ago i would have said pretty nice things about him. my opinion turned on a dime when i found out he was a lawyer recording his client. it's a disbarable offense. >> the fixer has become a scoundrel. giuliani insists the president did nothing wrong and the tape released proved he did nothing wrong. he has suggested that cohen may have broken the law simply by
recording the conversation he had with the president but we should point out new york is a one-party consent state. that means that just if cohen knew about it he was within legal bounds to tape that conversation. only somebody who is not a party to the conversation tapes it would be illegal. attorney/client privilege may have applied here. a horse got out of the barn before that was asserted. no illegality on the surface at least, bill, in terms of recording somebody without their knowledge. >> bill: thank you, john roberts from the north lawn. good to have you back. >> sandra: for more on this let's bring in brit hume, political analyst for fox. what do you think about this? is this a good idea for the president to threaten a shutdown of the government over funding for his border wall? >> i think it's a terrible idea for the reasons mentioned by john roberts. whichever party is deemed
responsible for or most enthusiastic about a government shutdown gets a blame. people don't like it to be shut down and this has been proven time and time again. the last time the republicans were seen as responsible for a shutdown this was back during the previous administration, it was a shutdown over -- i can't remember now what, yes, over obamacare. it was a disaster. the republican party is standing with the voters plunged to the lowest level in the history of the gallup poll. when the democrats were seen responsible a year or so ago was the schumer shutdown it lasted two days and the democrats completely capitulateed because they saw the handwriting on the wall. it works badly for those deemed responsible. for the president to trigger something like this with a month to go before the mid-term election is as dumb an idea as i can imagine. >> sandra: the president would
be banking on bucking historical precedent as far as who would historically get blamed for the government shutdown. newt gingrich, a big supporter of the president was asked about this. he said if the president goes this direction he really has to sell it. >> he has to be firm. if this is the fight he wants, he has to go to the country. he has to explain it. he has to tie it to illegal criminals and people we know -- you go around the s people who have been killed and tortured and raped, and you look at the total volume of fentanyl and opioids that come in across the border and the president can make a very strong case. >> sandra: do you think the president can make a strong enough case to sell? >> he can certainly try. who knows? this president has proven a lot of assumptions we all had to be false. but i can only go on what i
witnessed in the past. i have never seen a president or party successfully sell a government shutdown in the short term at least as an idea the public should support. we'll see. mr. gingrich has his own experience with government shutdowns and they didn't turn out very well for him either back when he was speaker in the clinton years. >> sandra: the president has gone on the twitter attack against robert mueller and michael cohen over the russia probe and alan dershowitz was on the program this morning and we asked him about michael cohen and what he is seeing happened and play out here. listen. >> of course he would much prefer to remain loyal to president trump but prosecutors have him in a squeeze. they may have information about his taxing medial yons and other issues and what they're doing with manafort, too. >> sandra: why is he doing this? >> to try to get out of a jam and basically offering claims that he thinks might catch the eye of robert mueller.
remember, the principal investigation and only investigation of michael cohen is being conducted out of the southern district of new york. a matter mueller has handed off to the southern district of new york not believing there is any link apparently to mr. trump or to his investigation of russian interference in the election. so i think he is trying to say oh, mr. mueller, i've got stuff on trump. come on, and i'll help you if you get me out of this jam. immunity is what i think he is looking for. whether he has sufficient credibility to attract mr. mueller's interest remains to be seen. i have my doubts. remember, under oath michael cohen said that he never saw anything that suggested any kind of improper relationship or collusion between mr. trump and the russians. this latest thing he says about knowledge of the meeting in
trump tower would seem to fly in the face of that and would make mr. cohen perhaps not the most credible witness having sworn the opposite. >> sandra: that's the case at the white house and the president and his team continue to make. rudy giuliani and so forth. noting that cohen himself is under investigation. the president tweeted at one point sounds to me someone is trying to make up stories to get himself out of an unrelated jam. remember that tweet. taxi cabs maybe? what does it say about the mueller investigation, brit? >> i don't know it tells us very much about the mueller investigation. we don't know much about it and i don't know if this helps. we don't know if mr. mueller is interested in what mr. cohen is saying. >> sandra: we'll continue to watch how this plays out. the president has been quiet as far as tweeting this morning. we'll see what comes throughout the day. >> it's early. who knows what will happen between -- i remember sitting the other night at home a week
or so ago, sunday night and 11:00 this bombshell hits from trump. you just never know. 24/7 you have to keep your eyes open. >> sandra: great to start the week with you. >> bill: to the american west now. sixth person confirmed dead. a fire near redding, california is keeping the firefighters working 24 hours shifts. a deadly fire burning down everything in its path ripping through 100,000 acres leaving residents there in limbo. >> it's unfortunate if our house has burned, which it sounds like there is only two places standing. the chances are that it probably did. >> i think people just want to know what's going on with their house and kind of like nobody wants to hear the bad news. >> bill: jeff paul live on the ground in the town of redding. how are things now? >> bill, a bit of an update. the carr fire is now 20%
contained but it has destroyed hundreds of structures, many of which are homes. we're standing in one of the hardest-hit neighborhoods in redding. this one one family's home. likely their garage where you can see the door has melted to the ground and beyond that parked out front was a pickup truck and if you take a look inside it has melted everything but the metal. firefighters say they have a lot of work ahead of them. we've seen several crews going around mopping up any potential hot spots. firefighters say this wildfire is extremely unpredictable and it's part of the reason why they have evacuated so many. tens of thousands of people. for some folks it was a tough choice when deciding to leave because their home is everything that they've worked for in life. >> i've been here for 50 years. like i say, i'm a retired school teacher, wood shop teacher and building contractors and my most important thing, of course, is
my wife and family and my home. i would defend that to the end. >> looting has also been reportedly an issue out here as you can imagine. some folks have been evacuated out of an abundance of caution, close to 50,000 people. some of those homes are not destroyed as a result. so police and deputies that have been out here say they've caught at least two people and arrested them for trying to break in and steal people's things. i can tell you, bill, that would be really difficult out here now. we've seen a huge law enforcement presence out here to make sure that doesn't happen. >> bill: thank you, jeff paul on the crowd in redding, california. >> sandra: a face-off with the turkish president as president trump threatens large sanctions on our nato ally. will turkey meet the president's demands? >> bill: a new report. what is behind the decision that may have helped fund terrorists? >> sandra: judge kavanaugh
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>> he will and he will possibly get about 54, 55, 56 votes. >> sandra: what does the path look like to get there? >> the democrats are trying to make it difficult. they're making ridiculous requests. schumer is in a bind because he has to cater to the extreme left base, the base that is even moving further and further to the left all the time. but the problem for schumer is that the more he does that, the more he makes it easier for folks like manchin and heidi heitkamp and joe donnelly to break away from the extreme and support kavanaugh as the nominee. so schumer is in a bind. he is burden, i i think, with the reality the democrats have made this process extremely political since a previous effort and now they're beginning to make it so clear to the public all they want to do is create a political issue and problem and not function the way the constitution was
written to function. >> sandra: former speaker newt gingrich said if democrats want to play those games it will cost them. >> if schumer wants to play games mcconnell will let him play games and increase the price to the democrats. they have the same problem. do i vote with the folks back home and the liberals who give me money and they're hanging in anxiety. >> sandra: it looked like you wanted to react to that. >> newt is absolutely right on that and look how ridiculous the folks that are supporting the democrats have become, associated press from "the new york times" are asking for documents from ashley kavanaugh when she was the manager of chevy chase township which has about 2,000 people. they are desperately looking for something to play smear politics and their friends in the press are helping them.
>> sandra: where is the fight for the documents going to go from judge brett kavanaugh's previous work under george bush? >> what they want to do is get their hands on the documents and distribute them to all the special interest groups out there to go through them because there is no way the senate with its staff would go through a million documents in such a short period of time. the second point is those documents to a great extent of those probably have executive privilege having been white house documents that kavanaugh did not create but only passed through to the president. so the democrats are on very thin ice here and making their case weaker and weaker by pushing to the extreme. >> sandra: we've had a bit of time to warm up, brett kavanaugh. now his first meeting with a democrat, joe manchin, from west virginia at 2:30 p.m. eastern time today. what do you expect from that? >> joe could end all the
foolishness but coming out in favor of kavanaugh and underscoring to chuck schumer how desperate the effort is. so if one or two of the democrats who now meet with kavanaugh early confirm that they are going to vote with him, we can get the process moving quickly. it makes it easier for everybody and let's get the politics of this off the table and move on to the other big issues that the senate has to deal with. >> sandra: manchin faces a challenging reelection bid this fall. other democrats with whom he is scheduled to meet. no official meeting with chuck schumer yet. joe donnelly, heidi heitkamp are all coming up. what do you expect the biggest issue to be meeting with them? >> well, i think those meetings they'll talk about his credentials, there is not much else you can talk about with judge kavanaugh. his background is excellent. he is truly the right kind of choice. the kind of choice that was anticipated by the founders when they put the constitution
together. and anything that the democrats will be able to use to stop him has to be something in the context of a smear. i don't think you'll have that conversation with manchin, heidi heitkamp or joe donnelly. >> sandra: the former governor john sununu. thank you for your time this morning. >> bill: 21 past the hour. new details coming in on the missing student mollie tibbetts disappearing nearly two weeks ago in the state of iowa. why new evidence is changing where police think she was last seen and controversy with the tsa. a surveillance program apparently not just targeting potential terrorists. how much information does the agency have on you? because my body can still make its own insulin. and once-weekly trulicity activates my body to release it. trulicity is not insulin. it comes in a once-weekly, truly easy-to-use pen.
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changing the gender of his birth certificate to take advantage of cheaper car insurance rates offered to women. he says the yearly bill would be $1,000 canadian dollars less if you were a woman. he had to get a doctor's note first but the whole process was pretty simple and after a couple weeks he says he beat the system. but some canadian officials not so thrilled about that. they say he has admitted to perjury. all that to save a few bucks? >> bill: that's a talker. a pretty enterprising man right there. right? >> sandra: it's a reason why women's insurance is less, right? women are better drivers. >> bill: i agree with you. exactly right about that. women are better drivers. >> sandra: i don't know if my husband would agree with that. >> bill: women are better at everything, okay? are we good on that? >> sandra: we win. >> bill: that debate has been settled, america, right here. the tsa under scrutiny after it
was revealed that a program was tracking information of people not suspected of any crimes or not on any terrorist watch list. what is happening at the airport, laura? >> it has been in existence since 2010 called quiet skies. we learned some of the details first reported by the "boston globe." the paper highlighted undercover works of tsa airports as travelers pass through security to use an algorithm to spot flyers and they vet the information and if there is a red flag in the flyer's background they may be surveilled by federal air marshals. the tsa issued a statement defending the program telling us contrary to the article published by the globe, the program doesn't take into account race and religion and is not intended to surveil ordinary americans adding this. in the world of law
enforcement, this program's core design is no different than putting a police officer on a beat where intelligence and other information presents the need for watch and deterrents. the program analyzes information on a passenger's travel patterns and through a system of checks and balances to include oversight adding an additional line of defense to aviation security. they added they have routine reviews and manage the program. >> bill: it's raising privacy rights concern? >> yes, numerous report the program has drawn criticism within the agency as well. the president of the air marshal association told the "boston globe" this. the association believes that missions based on recognized intelligence or support of ongoing investigations is the proper criteria for flight scheduling. currently the quiet skies program doesn't meet the criteria we find acceptable. we reached out to a professor of public interest law at
george washington university law school. he said legal questions could be raised if the tsa is assembling a digital dossier on citizens. we haven't heard the last of this. >> bill: more to come on this. >> sandra: how turkey is pushing back over the threat of sanctions over the detainment of an american pastor. >> bill: could president trump be nearing a decision to sit down with bob mueller? why the interview could be more wide ranging than previously thought. >> i would ask the special counsel to put out his report and show your hand. it is long enough now. >> the final report? >> the final. make your case to the justice department you have to continue to investigate. and at expedia, we don't think you should be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts
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to welcome italian prime minister giuseppe conte. he is seen as one of trump's strongest supporters in europe. later this afternoon the two leaders will be holding a joint news conference live at the white house. we'll have both of those events for you when they begin. >> we don't see the legal basis for president obstructing by merely taking an action in firing somebody that he had every right to fire and about 10 good reasons to fire. so we don't just acknowledge the basis for that. but we might consider a few questions in that area also. >> bill: rudy giuliani has done a lot of interviews in the last 48 hours. a decision might be coming soon about the interview with bob mueller and maybe open to questions on alleged obstruction of justice. tom dupree, you have seen a lot
giuliani's interviews. >> what's relevant is the parties are coming together. i think they will reach an agreement. we've seen the president's team shift a little bit. first they said they would never sit down with mueller and now under certain conditions. we'll see a lot of movement probably in the near future. my prediction is they reach an agreement and set terms and conditions that the president will submit to an interview with bob mueller. >> bill: here is giuliani earlier today on "fox & friends" making the case about no obstruction. >> this is the theater of the absurd. the president is innocent having done nothing wrong has been proven over and over again. he made no deals with russians. the obstruction thing is crazy. he had a right to fire comey. that's what it's all about. he had a right to say to comey,
give flynn a break. in investigation at the time. >> bill: is there anything wrong with what he said? >> you know, i think he has a valid point when he said the president is the head of the executive branch and generally speaking he has the right to hire and fire subordinates and made the points the president had 10 good reasons to fire jim comey. that's another reason why the interview is likely to happen. if mueller asked the question why did you fire jim comey the president can lay out the 10 reasons why he did what he did and doesn't amount to obstruction of justice. >> bill: he also said collusion is not a crime. the context of the question and answer is important, too. >> it was a curious remark. it seemed to be a slight shift in the position that the president has taken up to this point. as you know historically the president has been adamant, tweeting all caps no collusion,
collusion. for rudy to say if there was collusion it wasn't a crime. i don't know if that's the message he meant to send but the bottom line is the president's position has been clear from day one he did not collude with russia and i think the point rudy was simply making that talking with the russians is not necessarily a crime. you have to find a federal statute that has been violated for a prosecution. >> bill: the audio tapes that michael cohen has apparently he recorded a lot. giuliani said in the last today there were 183 tapes that exist but only one has the president's voice on it. 10 or maybe a dozen at the most even deal with trump matters. is that significant to you as you analyze this? >> well, it is because when we heard the news a week or so ago he had the president on audio tape i think a lot of us thought maybe this is just the tip of the iceberg. if he is willing to record his client, the president once, presumably he did it on a regular basis. a lot of folks said what else is out there? if it's true that this is the
one and only tape with the president's voice on it and one of a very small handful of tapes that even mention the president, well then maybe this treasure trove of cohen recordings won't be quite as important as a lot of us thought it might be. >> bill: so that gives -- based on that logic, that's why you gave the first answer you gave that perhaps the two sides are coming together on an interview. is that right? >> yeah. i think that has a lot to do with it. there is no question that michael cohen's apparent change of heart and willingness to testify against the president could be a bombshell but it's only a bombshell if cohen has something to tell about. if the dealings with the president and the president didn't do wrong or doesn't have the president on the tape the value of his cooperation to mueller is not as high as some thought it might be. >> bill: with regard to mueller. paul manafort's trial begins tomorrow and if you get a conviction maybe you get a steam roll in the process here. if you get an acquittal i don't know what it does to mueller's
investigation. giuliani said earlier today that he has got nothing on trump, meaning manafort, he said he was on the campaign for four months and then gone and all this trial matter deals with stuff from 2005. if he is right about all that or from a legal perspective, what is it we need to key on in the manafort trial? >> i think one thing to keep in mind is whether at some point in the trial there is a link between what manafort did and the president or even what manafort did during the time he was serving as the trump campaign chairman. so far it almost seems they've been different worlds. that this prosecution is focused on things that happened a long time ago relatively speaking. the question is whether mueller at any point will make a link between the things manafort is alleged to have done and his work in connection with the president or the president himself. >> bill: am i right to think manafort is in solitary confinement? >> he is in a special housing unit in the jail in virginia.
it is not technically solitary confinement. it is probably a lot nicer than the ordinary solitary confinement but he is being held in separate housing. >> bill: thank you. >> sandra: the president of turkey saying his country would not back down in the face of sanctions being threatened by the trump administration as the detention of american pastor andrew brunson sparks an escalating war of words between the u.s. and turkey. new hampshire senator suggesting turkey needs to decide where its loyalties lie. >> turkey is an important ally of the united states. they are an important nato ally. we've seen some behavior by turkey that is not consistent with what we expect from our allies. i think we need to see them release the americans that they are holding on trumped up charges. we had positive news this week with pastor brunson going from prison to house arrest but they are holding other americans.
>> sandra: connor powell has the latest with the mideast bureau. any movement towards the release of pastor brunson? >> before this latest war of words between president trump and president erdogan there did look like there was some movement towards releasing pastor brunson. he is no longer in prison. now in an apartment under house arrest and reports in the media both in the region and the u.s. that president trump has spoken to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu about releasing a turkish woman in israel who is under arrest for helping hamas as part of a deal to release pastor brunson. that woman has been released and sent back to turkey but pastor brunson still remains under house arrest in turkey. so there has been discussions apparently according to israeli officials we've spoken to about some type of agreement to get pastor brunson out of turkey. we understand from his lawyer
that there has been an appeal made to the turkish courts that would allow him to leave. so there are some movements. but the key point, sandra, right now is he remains under house arrest and the turkish government still accuses him of being part of a military coup two years ago that attacked the erdogan government. that's the main accusation that he is involved in the plot of the military to overthrow erdogan's government. >> sandra: what does it tell us about the relationship between the u.s. and turkey? >> it's bad because of a lot of issues going on in the region. the key disagreement now is over syria. the united states and turkey both view the kurds in turkey very differently. the u.s. views the kurds that have helped u.s. forces in iraq and syria defeat isis as allies on the ground. the turks view them as enemies of the state as terrorists .
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nomination. i expressed for concerns about data collection and how it might apply to privacy cases before the court. all that wrapped up in the fourth amendment the concerns senator paul has had for years. he says i believe he will carefully adhere to the constitution and will take his job to protect individual liberty seriously. so paul is a yes and that pretty much on the republican side that takes care of this nomination. it appears that every republican will vote yes for brett kavanaughs he begins his meetings with senator joe manchin today. the first democrat to have a meeting with kavanaugh. we'll let you know how that goes this afternoon. >> sandra: the obama administration approved a $200,000 grant to a group with ties to al qaeda, the funding including taxpayer money was authorized through the u.s. foreign aid program after the group's affiliation was discovered. the national review broke this story. the headline, obama
administration knowingly funded a designated al qaeda affiliate. tom rogan from "the washington examiner". did taxpayer money wind up in the hands of terrorists? >> well, it looks that way in terms of the report that came out here originally from the think-tank that the challenge of providing humanitarian support in east africa ended up somehow with the obama administration leading to an al qaeda syndicate receiving a revenue stream from that. the most striking thing about this story is that the money was paid after the concerns were raised. after the obama administration knew where this money was going, they still decided the pay because as they saw it, it was necessary to maintain the humanitarian operations this group was providing but there is a challenge there for u.s. policy interests.
>> sandra: it was $115,000 of the $200,000 of this grant that was authorized to be released even after it was given that status of being a terrorist financing organization. >> right. and i think the broader concern here is that sometimes these things happen and sometimes we have to be willing to say actually the interest was to save lives and deal with bad people n. this case this is not some criminal smuggling entity. this is al qaeda. at the time the foremost organization in terms of jihadism and you know with al qaeda that these front companies operate as essentially a money laundering outfit, credibility base to be able to attract foreign donors. i think the problem with stories like this is that certain nations around the world, qatar allows this to do this all the time over the tens of millions in the period of a
year. if you are not seen to take a strident stand against it, you allow it to continue. >> sandra: the trump administration making it clear this happened under obama. the money was directed to help provide humanitarian aid, food, water, sanitation and hygiene services to displaced people affected by the ongoing conflict in sudan. heather nauert, the spokesperson for the state department, issued a statement saying just that. this occurred under the prior administration. the current secretary of state, secretary of the treasury had no involvement in the decisions about this award or license. what changes to prevent this from happening again? >> well, essentially that you hopefully the current administration would say why on earth would we pay this group because of the fact that we
mentioned. secondly, there are -- there is a difference between giving money to a terrorist-aligned organization and a group that is perhaps going to be corrupt. ultimately unfortunately the local ngos in some of these countries are either extremely moral or immoral and you have to be able to pick the organizations that you have the most confidence in in furtherance of saving lives and alleviating suffering. when it's an al qaeda front it takes things to another level and mind-boggling the obama administration thought it was necessary to pay them after the fact. >> sandra: tom rogan at the "washington examiner". thank you, good to see you this morning. >> bill: "outnumbered" is coming up in a moment here. a quick check in with harris and melissa. how are you? >> we're awaiting remarks from the president as he is set to welcome italy's prime minister to the white house. he could address the report that his former lawyer says the
president knew in advance about donald trump junior's meeting with that russian lawyer and his feelings about a possible interview with robert mueller. we'll bring you his comments live. >> joe manchin, he is a democrat, scheduled today to become the first democrat senator to meet with the president's supreme court nominee. this as senator schumer works to head off any democrat support from manchin and the nominee. so interesting. we'll debate it. >> all that plus the #oneluckyguy. "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. >> bill: we'll keep it a secret for 10 minutes. >> i think she gave you a hint. >> no, hint and a wink. >> bill: thanks, ladies. new developments in the case of the missing iowa college student. where was she the night she disappeared and police may be closer to an answer by the use of technology.
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>> bill: police in iowa finding new evidence in the disappearance of a 20-year-old university of iowa student. mollie tibbetts is her name. she vanished earlier in the month after heading for a jog at night. now police believe she may have returned to her boyfriend's home that night. matt finn is live in our midwest bureau. what's the latest, matt? >> bill, the search for 20-year-old mollie tibbetts is growing more desperate missing since july 18th. her family says her laptop and social media might prove she made it back to her boyfriend's house the day she went missing. over the weekend one of the family members told a local news station that they found evidence mollie was doing homework on her laptop the night she went missing and her
boyfriend says she sent him a message after her jog. search teams have scoured the area. assuming mollie might have gone missing outside. tibbetts was dog sitting at the boyfriend's house at the time of the disappearance. her boyfriend was at a job site in dubuque and not named as a suspect. tibbetts' family is pleading for information as they try to help investigators. >> she is about to start her sophomore year at the university of iowa. she is probably about 5'2", brown hair, brown eyes, beautiful smile. great with kids. we want our mollie back. >> police have not released a new timeline for any leads in the case. >> bill: she was a runner and they wear a fit bit. it is possible they could track her steps when she went missing. is that possible? >> that's right. she is described as an avid runner who wore the fit bit, a tracking device. police might be able to gather
a ton of data including her exact gps location and heart rate. >> bill: matt finn, gives hope for the family. >> sandra: fox news alert. we're now minutes away from the president welcoming the italian prime minister to the white house. a leader who has seen -- is seen as one of donald trump's strongest supporters over in europe. we'll have it four live and we'll take it for you when it begins. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it helps block six key inflammatory substances. most pills block one. flonase sensimist.
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yesterday, trying to defend his client, talking about a lot of these issues related to michael cohen. seemingly, creating more chaos and confusion in his wake. after an interview with cnn yesterday morning, giuliani seemed to open two new fronts in this whole saga, claiming, first, that collusion may not even be a crime, which is different from what we have been hearing from the president. the president has been saying there was no collusion all along. now we are seeing president trump backing giuliani up in a tweet this morning, reiterating that collusion isn't a crime, even though he himself just two days ago suggested that democrats should be investigated for what he claims is their collusion with the russians. then on a second matter, giuliani starts talking about a meeting, a planning meeting that he claimed happened before that infamous trump tower meeting with don junior and russians promising dirt on hillary clinton. he later tried to clarify in a subsequent interview saying
this. >> he says there was a meeting with donald junior, with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates and possibly two others in which they, out of the presence of the president, discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, which were four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. >> reporter: first giuliani seems to open up the possibility that a planning meeting happened, that no one was talking about but him. then he went on to say that that meeting didn't happen. everyone is just left really confused here, poppy. the white house aides telling us that they did not coordinate with giuliani over his appearances yesterday, which isn't entirely surprising. it indicates that they are not entirely happy with all the things he has been saying that seem to put them in more hot water. >> thank you, abby, reporting
from the white house. let's talk about, selena zito and lynn sweet join me. it would make better tabloid sense for trump to dump giuliani and hire dershowitz who has worked to shield him from his appearances, f appearances. trump has been surprisingly f t flatfooted so far. perhaps, he has finally met his match. is giuliani setting more fires than he is putting out? >> absolutely. it's a bigger world than just the nosew york tag war going on and trump and giuliani should know that if they're trying to
communicate something, it's more than to the woods on those new york papers. giuliani has succeeded in one thing, in confusing everybody who isn't keeping close tabs on this case. don't underestimate the power of confusion. it runs in parallel with the war that president trump is waging on the news media with another issue just a few minutes ago on his twitter feed where he predicts we will bow out of busine business in seven years, that he will win another term. confusion is a tool if they want to make people think -- i think what they are aiming at -- that somehow this is a witch hunt. see how it all plays into this theme. confusion is an important tool that giuliani is using. i don't take it lightly.
great, that's exactly how i want the press to be spending their time. >> selena, it appears the tactic is working, at least somewhat in trying to discredit mueller. cnn's most recent polling on this shows the number of americans that approve of the way that mueller is handling his job and the russia probe has fallen from 48% in march to 41% in june. are they winning the messaging war here, at least in the court of public opinion? >> for a tactic that has not message -- as lynn said, it's all over the place. yeah, obviously, it appears that way. i'm a reporter and every day i feel as though i'm placed in the third season of "game of thrones" and i should have never watched the first two and i'm trying to figure out all the characters. it's really hard to put
everything together, piece every message together. lynn is right. dershowitz would be perfect. he is always on message. he is always very articulate. he explains things, not always in the way that benefits trump, but in a way that people understand. i agree, this is a chaotic tactic. it's working. >> it's working. when it comes to the trial that ann laid out exactly what's at stake for mueller's team here, how do you think this plays among his voters and among the biggest supporters of the president? how critical is a win in this manafort case, the first one, for the president? >> well, it's critical because if this case is lost, then it will force the mueller team to regroup and say, what are we
doing. on the other hand, the rebuttal is that this case is the fruits of the investigation into the russian role into the 2016 election. it's not about it. that is hard to explain to the public. this is an important case, but it just is an offshoot. prosecutors are allowed to follow where it leads. it won't be good. a lot of these -- one of the things that will be done in this trial is to tell the manafort story, which puts the attention on him, not on trump and not on russia. it may -- in summary, it's not good if mueller loses this case. i don't think it's the end, because his prosecution continues. there are other people still in the pipeline. some of the revelations from this trial still may have an impact. >> selena, the president has tried ever since the indictment dropped and the charges were filed against manafort to
distance himself. he ran the campaign at a critical time leading up to the convention for five months. you travel through parts of the country that support this president so much. do they believe him? do they think paul manafort is not that big a deal in the president's world? >> well, for instance yesterday, i was in ohio, in a rural suburban area outside columbus for covering the special election. there were tons of voters there. i talked to them about numerous things, including manafort and michael cohen and all of this russian thing. they don't pay as much attention to who is running the campaign. that name didn't imprint on them as someone that was important. a lot of people that i asked said, he was the delegate counter, right? so that's how they sort of view him as some guy who was brought in to make sure delegates worked
and left. i think because there's so many moving parts and because the manafort trial is separate and it's not having to do with trump, people are like confused as to why it's even happening and/or what his ties are to trump and ties to why mueller is conducting the special prosecution. i think that's where the problem lies. there's too many moving parts for it to stick with voters. and be meaningful. >> one part of the case that we will all be watching for and where his role in the campaign does come up is how he got a loan from a bank in chicago, from a chicago banker -- >> we talked about that. >> who was -- who thought he was -- he was angling for a job in the trump white house. he did get an appointment to an advisory panel.
of those five people who were granted immunity, which you were talking about, two of them -- two of them work or have worked for the bank and two of them are among the 35 on the witness list. >> right. he didn't get a job in the white house. but i hear your point. the case the prosecutors will try to make. thank you. ahead for us, a new report says north korea is working on new advanced missiles, all of this despite the president recently declaring that north korea is no longer a nuclear threat. a close eye on a hearing going on in the senate. officials with the department of homeland security and the justice department are testifying on efforts to reunite families separated at the border. we are on that. cnn goes one on one with lebron james at home in his hometown of akron, ohio. during the interview, he got candid about the president. listen. >> what i noticed over the last few months, that he used sport
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we heard the same thing from mike pompeo, pushing back on lawmakers in the senate testimony who were asking for evidence here. he did say that there was still material being produced. he said, we have not been taken for a ride. does this intelligence change that? >> perhaps they're not being taken for a ride, but they don't have much evidence of success yet. before the summer, north korea was making enriched uranium. seven weeks later, they still are. they have done a few things in the margins, returning some remains, shutting down one engine test site. in terms of evidence, we're not seeing it. >> what can you tell us about the new missiles that this intelligence indicates north korea is building, and the specific factory? if i have it right, this is the factory that produced the first north korean missile that had the range that could hit the
united states. >> right. if you are worried about missiles hitting the u.s., this is the plant. it's where north korea made two of their biggest icbms, including the one from last november that had a range long enough to reach the east coast of the united states. that's where they are still seeing signs of work. they're seeing construction on at least one, possibly two new icbms, these long air frames that can reach the u.s. >> you mention this in your reporting that this is not an expansion of north korea's abilities. it's building on the current -- what they currently have. is that significant? %-p. that's important to point out. what's going on is business as usual, the same activity we saw before the summit, they're still doing it. they don't show signs of stopping. what we hear is they are talking
aamo among themselves how to hide it. >> how to deceive the united states. >> exactly. and sensitive intelligence collection effort that show north korea intends to deceive the u.s. on what they have. >> you have not gotten any comment from the white house on this? >> no pushback yet. we hear from mike pompeo himself that they know this activity is still going on. i don't think it's a surprise to them. >> thank you. president trump not backing down from his threat to shut down the government if he doesn't get funding for a border wall. republicans are hoping this threat coming so close to the midterms is just that, an empty threat. ordinary stains say they can do the job, but behr premium stain can weather any weather. overall #1 rated, weathers it all. find our most advanced formula exclusively at the home depot.
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their top advisers. there's an agreed upon strategy here. that is, don't have a shutdown at the end of september. there will be a shutdown fight. everybody i'm talking to says it will come after the election. you look at what john thune said, it's a negotiating tactic. mitch mcconnell said we will fund government in a timely and ordinarily manner. >> i'm a believer in hitting things head on. if the president wants to shut down the government, that's his prerogative. i don't -- i think it would be a mistake. i don't think it's going to be necessary. >> that's repeated by everybody. it shows you where they are. the big question right now on capitol hill is how serious is he. think back to health care or tax reform. the president diverging from the strategy is not necessarily a rarity. but whether or not he is willing to hold on to that and make a fight out of this is another question. >> is he willing to lose the house over it? >> that's the concern. i will tell you something that's
happened over the last couple of weeks, that is, is the white house willing to sacrifice the house because the president wants a punching bag coming into the 2020 election? there's this idea of it will be better to run against congress, better to run against house democrats. i haven't heard that from the white house. republicans are concerned sometimes. frankly, when things are quiet, they get concerned. there's kind of relevance to the idea. it worked for bill clinton at one point in time. i think the reality right now is behind the scenes, when i talk to republican staffers on the hill, they are hearing the strategy stands the president will be with them in the end. they are willing to have the night after the election. the concern is real. >> there was no time line on that trump tweet a few days ago threatening the shutdown. you know this is going to be a fight. they're ready for it. if it were to happen before the midterms, he would put the kavanaugh hearings in the air. >> this is a huge point i'm told was made by mitch mcconnell in the oval office two the president in a private meeting last week.
which is republicans feel good about where they are in the kavanaugh nomination. a lot of time to go, but they feel they can get him confirmed. it would happen at the end of september when a shutdown would occur. they don't want to step on that message, on a confirmation. push it off. mcconnell thought trump heard him at the time. we will see. >> your sources telling you, take a win here. thank you. nice to have you. >> thanks for having me. president trump heads to tampa, florida. he will campaign for a candidate who according to "the new york times" the president decided to support after he saw him defend the trump agenda on fox news. the president tweeted this morning, congressman ron desantis will be a great governor, if he wins. he embraced all things trump. here is part of his latest political ad that certainly got a lot of people talking. >> he is teaching madison to talk. >> make america great again. >> people say ron is all trump. but he is so much more.
>> joining me now is the former chairman of the florida republican party, al cardinus. thanks for being with me. >> my pleasure. good to be with you. >> let's talk about this. you have his primary challenger, who the vice-president was supporting, who was way ahead in fund-raising, way ahead in the polling, until desantis started going on fox news over and over again. the president saw him on fox news, tweeted about him and has been supportive of him ever since. the table has turned here. has the president been a king maker in florida on this one? >> so far, apparently so. desantis was 20 points behind, very few people knew him. between fox news and some of their personalities and the president and his tweets and commentary, he gained more than 30 points without spending a lot of money in a period of less than a month.
we don't see that in florida. so that's a strength. it's a weird race. republicans have had -- republican governors for 20 years. state-wide elected officials are republican. this is a high-risk deal for the president. >> let me read you how "the new york times" puts it this morning and get your take. quote, mr. putnum's collapse and mr. desesantis' rise illustrate the extraordinary clout mr. trump wields. >> i think we will see in the general election. some states he is liked. some states he is not. in florida, he is under water right now. think about this.
if republicans can't win the presidency unless they win florida. 2020 is coming up next. if for some reason the democrat wins general election and some of it is attributed to the embrace of the president, he is going to have a hard time in his re-elect in 2020. he is going out on a limb in what i consider a high-risk deal. >> tonight he speaks in tampa, which actually went by just a few percentage points for hillary clinton, that part of florida in the 2016 election. you think he is not going to talk about immigration, right? >> you know, you never know with the president. in a state as diverse as florida, you would think that's bad politics. we're talking about the primary, not the general election. immigration moves points in florida. he may touch upon it. if he sticks to a script, it's going to be about the economy, jobs. florida gained a lot of jobs. it's going to be about how well
the thing is doing. he may be a little rough on what's going on with dictatorships in latin american because of the hispanic population. if he touched on immigration, it's a primary play, but it's not going to help the party in the general election. >> come november, you know that trump will obviously affect the turnout up and down the ticket. which party do you think it will help more, republicans or democrats, in the state? >> that's the big question. right? look, we have a senate race where rick scott is ahead three points right now. we have a governor's race that has a tough primary on both sides. my sense is, it's going to go down to the wire. probably the top of the ticket races will be won or lost by turnout. he cuts both ways. he gets excited the republican base. but democrats go crazy when he speaks. who is going to win the turnout
battle in florida will determine who wins the state-wide races. >> thanks for being with me this morning. today, a push for some states and lawmakers to stop people from being able to download and print a gun. seriously. this becomes legal tomorrow. will it be stopped? we will explain ahead. are you a christian author with
it will be legal to print your on gun. but attorneys general from eight states are working to try to stop that. they are hoping for an emergency injunction. even the president weighed in on twitter. i am looking into 3d plastic guns being sold to the public. spoke to the nra. doesn't seem to make much sense. let's go to tom foreman. apparently, according to our reporting, some of the plans have made it online. some folks are downloading them. what will be legal tomorrow? what's the big picture impact? >> the big picture -- what's legal tomorrow is you can download the plans. that's what the argument is. if you have purchased a high enough level 3d printer, you can create a lot of components for guns or you can create in one case, a single shotgun, you might be able to create that one right there, the entire gun. that's a single shotgun that doesn't have much durability, that's for sure. that's what's possible.
the reality is though, to create these things, you are going to have to spend several thousand dollars at least on the type of printer that would be able to create the parts and put such a gun together. in practical terms, it's still wildly more efficient and effective for criminals and terrorists and anybody else to go buy guns, even on the legal market or on the black market. they can get them better there and they are more reliable than anything we are talking about here. >> can you give us the background on this? as i understand it, this stems from a case back in 2013. this is an agreement -- a settlement reached between the man who initially came up with this and wanted to be able to do it legally and the trump administration. >> that's this -- was centered around this single shot plastic gun. again, it's important not to conflate things. that gun is truly made entirely of plastic, except for a metal
plate put into it just to conform with the law that says there has to be metal in guns so they can be detected. it's not a functional part of the gun. that's what this was about initially. this gun was out there and this gun is scary because the idea is it could get through a metal detector and not be seen. these others, as you can see, involve metal parts. that's more complicated. still the idea that people could start producing unregistered guns or untraceable guns in their garage, that's a big challenge. that's what people are feared about, more fearful of the future than what's happening at the moment. >> like an ar-15. thank you. we appreciate the reporting. lebron james sitting down with don lemon as he takes his talent to the west coast, he is leaving something behind for his hometown, for the children there. next, what that is. and what he says could make him run for president. >> would you ever run for
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and learn about them. and they got an opportunity to learn about me. >> don lemon spoke to james. a fascinating interview about what he is doing in akron, ohio, teaming up with the public school system to create an elementary school helping to work with children. >> the faces on the kids. we walked into the classroom. they had no idea he was coming. one little girl, she shrank down in his seat. oh, my gosh. her eyes got huge. she couldn't even speak. they were so excited to see him. they don't care what color he is. they just love him. that's it. >> i'm so glad you did this. so glad he is doing this. i have been reading about this for years, promise and what he is doing. it's not just money. he is throwing his heart into this. before we get into the politics and what he said about race, let's talk about this school. let's listen for a minute. cue up sound where you talk to him about why he is doing this for the kids of akron.
>> what do you home happens from this school? i gotta tell you, i walked through. i'm impressed. everybody is impressed. this is a great thing you are doing. what do you want to happen? what do you want -- >> what i want to happen, every kid that walks through those doors, from the 240 we start with, to the 2022 where we have first through eighth grade, we want every kid to be inspired, to come away with something, something where they can give back. it could be anything, but just for kids in general, all they want to know is that someone cares. when they walk through that door, i hope that someone cares. >> not only does someone care, someone is doing something, not just for the kids, for the whole family. >> it's a holistic approach. it's a stem school. they talk about mathematics, engineering, science and so on,
technology. it's a stem school. it's also holistic. it's for the whole family. if the parents don't have a high school did i mroem ploma, they there and get it. two meals and snack. 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. every kid who lives more than two miles away, free transportation. every kid gets a bicycle and helmet so they can transport themselves to and from school. it's a holistic approach. >> incredible. you spoke to him about what's going on in the country right now, about the president, about race, about the divided country. let's listen to part of that exchange. >> there's been -- something has changed in you over the last year or two. is it what's going on in the country racially? is it mrpolitical? >> it's a little bit of everything. it starts with the trayvon martin situation. the reason it starts with that, i believe, is because having
kids of my own, having boys of my own, it hit home for me to see and to learn a story and to think that if my boy left home and he never returned. that kind of -- that kind of hit a switch. that kind of hit a switch for me. from that point on, i knew that my voice and my platform had to be used for more than just sports. >> you think it's harder to be -- when you see these incidents of being black and what happened, do you think it's harder now? do you think it's always been there, we're just seeing it because of cellphones and -- >> i think it's always been there. i think the president in charge now has given people -- they don't care now. they throw it in your face now. >> would you ever run for office? >> run for office? >> would you ever run -- would you ever be a politician and run for office? >> i don't think so. i sit here and say i don't think so. i don't know. >> i'm being serious. if someone tried to recruit a lebron to run for president,
they have no one, if you don't run, trump will win, would you run? >> in that case, i may. if they have no one, i believe there is some people out there, i hope. but if there's no one. let's see first. >> you are laughing. but you don't think -- >> i think he would. it has become so important to him. he is so outraged and rightfully so. concerned i should say is a better word about what's happening in the country when it comes to race. we sit here on television and you have to discuss it. let's hear this side, that side. there's no other side. there's no other side to racism. there's no other side to saying that there are good people or fine people on both sides in charlottesville. it's absurd. it's the theater of the absurd. i commend him for speaking out and not being concerned as a sl celebrity about i'm going to tick this group off. >> i'm glad you say that. there are athletes who say, this is my job. i'm doing my job.
i don't have a responsibility. i don't need to be the role model for every kid. i don't need to speak out. he feels so differently. >> he feels that he has a unique position. i asked him about this. he said, this is how i feel. other people can do what they want. i think to a certain extent anyone who has a platform, anyone who makes a livelihood off of the public has the responsibility to give back and to speak out for what's right and wrong. it's not about right and left. it's about right and wrong. when wrong is happened in the past in this country or in other places and people didn't speak out, we see the atrocities that come electric thfrom that. it's incumbent to do so, journalists, athletes. i think lebron james sees that. >> if people didn't see it all last night, where can they go? >> cnn.com. check out social media. >> thank you, my friend. >> good to see you. >> great interview. >> we're usually here at opposite hours. >> thank you.
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roads destroyed by the car fire, the home behind is leveled and reduced to ash. one of the few items that remains recognizable, a pickup truck parked in the driveway that was burned right down to the middle. six people have died as a result of the fire, 23% contained, firefighters say it is growing, more than doubled in size from over the weekends where it stands at 100,000 acres. it has destroyed 700 structures many of which are family homes. >> it is unfortunate if our house is burned, there's only two places standings the chances are -- >> i want to know what is going on with our house but nobody wants to give bad news if it is there or not or burned down. >> reporter: that is a reality many residents will soon have to face. they are deciding to allow the first round of evacuees to
return to their homes but many will brace themselves for the absolute worst not knowing if they are one of the hundreds of people who lost their home. throughout the state are several other wildfires in california, total of 17 major wildfires burning a total of 200,000 acres, two burning along the coast, the river fire ant ranch fire growing in size. >> this is a terrain driven by local winds in the higher elevations, 175, fairly windy come pushed by very critically dry fuel, the train and the wind.
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>> everybody would do the same thing i'm doing, we just have the opportunity. >> we will continue to follow your story, cowboy 911 on facebook. thanks. are the top story donald trump ramping up his attacks on robert mueller, what appears to be his harshest most personal critique yet, the president's legal team it is unlikely the president will sit for a voluntary interview with mueller. jonathan hunt as the latest on the russian probe. >> reporter: the door is not completely shut on the idea of the president agreeing to an interview with special counsel but it is closing fast. according to mister trump's attorney, rudy giuliani. >> no sitdown until we get ironed out exactly what they want to do. right now i'm telling them no
way. >> it is not impossible the trump team would say one thing and do another and by using the phrase right now rudy giuliani is leaving himself and the president some wiggle room but it would appear unlikely mister trump would want to offer legitimacy to an investigation he described on twitter over the weekend as robert mueller rigged witchhunt and illegal scam and from trump senior to trump junior democrats renewed their calls for the president's on to testify before the senate judiciary committee again although claims by michael cohen that don junior told his father in advance about the controversial june 2016 trump tower meeting with russians. chuck grassley said today trump junior didn't tell the committee the truth in his original testimony, then it would be a matter for the justice department, not the committee and the trump team continues to attack mister cohen. once what the president's most
trusted lawyers for recording at least one of his conversations with the president during which mister trump just before the 2016 election discussed paying off a playboy model who claimed to have had an affair with him. rudy giuliani called him a scandal and senator lindsey graham sometimes a critic of the president, sometimes a defender told fox news yesterday americans should be very suspicious of michael cohen. mister cohen's attorney refused to fire back tonight against the personal tax telling us simply he declined to comment concerning matters under investigation at this time. all of this happening just ahead of the first trial resulting in the mueller probe, former trump campaign chairman paul manafort on tax fraud charges, don't expect this roller coaster ride to end anytime soon.
>> thank you very much, jonathan. some on the left say indictments are only a matter of time without citing hard evidence so what really is coming down the pike, let's break it down with legal eagles, harry litman and attorney dylan. thank you for being with us tonight. i want to play what steve cohen has to say about indictments of people close to the president. >> i think they are getting closer to knowing the truth is going to come up, there were activities with the trump campaign in russia and releasing them and guiding them to states and localities where they came from. that was jared kushner's response ability, some was donald junior. he will probably see indictments of both of those people. >> that is a pretty bold statement. >> there are two rules of thumb,
one, mueller knows quite a bit more than the public knows and speculations about what he knows are as likely as not to be unfounded. there's reason to think based on the michael cohen developments that donald trump junior in particular is in the crosshairs, he does seem to have been particularly involved in it and to have lied about it and you could see him as a logical investigative next step but in general, mueller from the start has been methodical and professional and anyone who tells you what is happening next is likely just speculating. >> we know that he has talked to lawmakers on capitol hill. one of the most senior senate democrats said this in a tweet a couple days ago. in our needs to come back before the senate judiciary committee in public and under oath. this is because of statements we have gotten from michael cohen.
i agree with senator graham that if mueller has something to say, there are audiences for that. he made some remarks that were leaked by employers and the clinton administration. and also you are a lawyer, i am a lawyer. what boyer does this kind of behavior, taping a client, through inclines under the bus, it is outrageous behavior. a very non-credible witness and i don't think donald trump junior has anything to worry about based on michael cohen's uncorroborated, unverified and untrustworthy statements. >> with all 3 of us being lawyers corresponded this idea about whether or not the president should sit down with robert mueller. what advice would you give? >> it has been a flirtation for several months, it is never been real in its focus. the advice i would give is don't
do it because he has committed crimes and he will either find himself having to lie about them or incorporate himself. the cohen stuff very much concerns trump, it just doesn't concern the russia part of trump. but if cohen can be corroborated there is much reason to think like any other trial you have a suspicious witness, if you can be corroborated it goes to the president. >> he has convicted them, the president committed crimes, would you tell them to testify or sit down with mueller or not? >> i don't know what the evidence is but no, the president should not sit down with mueller. >> we are putting you down for hell no. harry agrees with you for different reasons. thank you for weighing in, good to see you. judge brett cavanagh's prospects
for swift confirmation improving, gop senator rand paul is now supportive and this afternoon brett cavanagh met with senator joe manchin, the first immigrant to meet with the pick for high court, the meeting could set the stage for a swing the democrats to talk with brett kavanaugh despite feeling pressure from party leaders not to. the oldest current supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg says she's planning to stay on the high court for at least 5 more years. when we returned donald for making his case demanding funding for the border wall with the threat of a possible government shutdown. >> i would be willing to consider a shutdown if we don't get proper border security. >> kim jong un going back on his word, north korea building new missiles or who is leaking the highly classified until reports on the rogue regime and why? off. i was just excited for it to be over.
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what could it mean for brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination process, a possible shutdown scenario. >> but those things couldnd senate republicans are once again trying to risk and that is why house and senate republicans are trying to convince the president not to force a shutdown when the government runs out of money october 1st. just last week gop leaders met with the president and thought they were on the same page but that changed when donald trump tweeted he was willing to shut the government down over immigration and today he double down on that position. >>rd as far as the border is concerned, if we don't get border security after many years of talk within the united states i would have no problem doing a shutdown. >> gop leadership is one of the white house there could be dire consequences including confirmation of brett kavanaugh to the supreme court. if brett kavanaugh isn't confirmed byth october 1st, a shutdown could delay the process
until late october or even november after election day. gop leadership is concerned about voter back lash, losing control of the house if donald r trump is the architect of it. and the one they shut down earlier this year it was pointed out shutdowns don't necessarily portend electoral issues for republicans. in 1995 the public blames newt gingrich and the gop for 21 days shutdown. one year later republicans gained two seats in the senate nd retain the majority in the house for the first time since 1928. in 2014 a year after republicanr closed the government for 16 days, she took control for eight years and gain their biggest majority of the house and decades. gop leadership is not taking chances today and are planning toen meet the president's deadle of meeting the spending bills by september in theew last few
together later this year including funding for the department of homeland security which includes the border wall. if nothing else they hope t the can get the president to hold off on a shutdown until after the midterms. >> the president standing alongside giuseppe talked about the possibility of iran. >> cut a lot of folks by surprise. just over a week ago donald trump threatened iran's president with dire consequences the likes few in history have suffered but the president struck a much different tone saying he is not only willingyia meet with iran but do it without conditions.ec >> i would certainly meet with iran if they want to meet.no anytime they want. good for the country, good for them, good for us and good for the world. >> in 2007 barack obama gave a
similar answer during any bait with hillary clinton when asked if he was willing to meet with the dictatorial leaders of countries such as iran without preconditions. this evening mike pompeo attempted to clarify the president's response by listing a number of preconditions for any meeting during an interview on nbc. >> if they demonstrate a commitment to make fundamental changes in how they treat theirp own people, reduce their malign behavior to enter nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation the president says he is prepared to sit down and have a conversation with them. >> iran has shown little interest in meeting with donald trump or changing its behavior. the white house is expecting that to change starting one week from today when the first rabid un sanctions on iran from the canceled nuclear deal will go into effect. i have been talking directly to the iranian people
and that will impact them much more than the leaders themselves. thank you very much. anonymous officials slowly with intelligence, washington post reporting north korea is still working and intercontinental ballistic missiles. they spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified until, said satellite photos taken in recentnt weeks support the contention that work continues on missiles capable of reaching the united states. the white house tonight tells us it doesn't comment on intelligence. i asked secretary of state mike pompeo whether north korea is backpedaling after that singapore summit. >> no one has been closer to that but i have. everyone else is simply speculatingth about what is takg place today. i have been there. the north koreans have reaffirmed their commitment, no one was under any illusions that this was going to happen in hours or days or even weeks.
>> what is behind the anonymous report? it is aimed at undermining the trumpet ministration's efforts. joining me, former advisor to bill clinton, doug show and and senior columnist for townhall.com, militant normal, welcome to you both. a little more from the washington post, they say on according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity unclassified intelligence adding according to intelligence gathered by us agencies one us official like the other spoke on condition of anonymity discussing sensitive intelligence. t why are they doing that now? >> because they think the policy of the trump administration is fatally flawed. it is clear from this report and other reports, this one was very detailed, the north koreans have
no intention of shutting down their nuclear program. they agreed to a path to denuclearization on their terms. the d time for talking is done. tighten sanctions on them, on the chinese banks, go to the un and say to the russians and chinese you have got to get of tough and cut off their energy supplies, go beyond the 500 barrel limit. talking is not the answer. they called mike pompeo a gangster. we should react with tough policies. t t>> >> the secretary told me i'm the one who hass going there and seeing it and i know the details more than anyone else. we also know that ambassador haley issued a report awe coupl weeks ago the china and russia are continuing to enable north korea by allowing all kinds of illegal shipments and violating sanctions. how do you crackdown on all three of those world powers to get thisis done? can you? >> you certainly can and you should.. i agree with doug.
we have got to get tough. donald trump is operating on a dual track, he is doing what he did as a dealmaker in newew york, dealing with other little life you can't trust in his real estate business. he t is talking them up positivy and has that hammer right behind him ready to strike. this is a complex game, no one has any illusions who the north koreans are least of all donald trump. he dealt with dirtbags all his career and knows one when he sees one. i'm a little upset about the release of this information, classified information being put out there apparently for political gain. as someone who held top-secret clearance, that is a disgrace. >> let's turn to the issue of the government shutdown. s from investorsbusiness daily, we have a couple many shutdowns. the headline was the myth that government shutdowns, every
situation is different, no telling how this will affect november but for anyone toro declare this will hurt republicans at the polls is either ignorant of recent history or unwilling to acknowledge, back to 95-96, 2013, youhe are the pollster bu ultimately when it came to be votes after the shutdowns republicans did much better than expected. >> in 95 i was in the white house with bill clinton and i saw the impact of the shutdown on the republican party. it heard them and they ultimately defeated bob dole and i would say to do a shutdown a month before an election when you have the economy to run on would be a big mistake for the republicans and would also bring up the issue of separation of families which have not been unified. i'm not suggesting trump will lose on immigration but when you have an issue like 4.1% growth and economic activity, why
distract from that issue on immigration? >> the president did promise he was going to build that wall. here is what the majority leader said about the possibility of shutdown. >> you are not worried about a government shutdown? >> final response from you. >> it doesn't need to happen. of republicans get on the ball and support this president's policy i'm in touch with the base. i'm a hard-core conservative and tired of establishment republicans 70 we are going to kick the can again and again & this bill at the last minute because we are afraid of a shutdown. let's rumble. >> be my guest. a month before the election. >> doug and kurt, thank you very much, we will see if we have it, 99 days to go. we will all be watching. former trump campaign chairman
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the first case to go to trial into russian interference in the 2016 election is not expected to feature kremlin collusion but rather the trial of paul manafort's lifestyle and money earned in ukraine before his involvement with the campaign. peter doocy gives us a preview. >> he was only trump campaign chairman for 3 months but the special counsel office for 3 years of work, pre-trump campaign financial records and the government hinting their case against him might not have to do with the 2016 election at all. >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. >> when the trump campaign chairman, he worked for free. now we know he could afford not to dry a salary because the us government revealed more than a decade ago he and his partner started accumulating $50 million.
this included the eye-popping amounts, manafort hid the 9 figure amounts he was paid by political figures in ukraine including some backed by russia. the document makes clear the government believes no pay stubs or paychecks so if he wasn't paying taxes what was he spending money on? his house in the hamptons, allegedly got $800,000, his floors since he allegedly dropped $1 million in an antique rug store in northern virginia and suits, he spent $850,000 on men's clothing in new york and $520,000 on clothes in beverly hills, the suits are a sore spot. >> have you spoken to mister manafort about this fbi raid? >> yes. he believes that i do it is outrageous, not only took away two folders of documents all of which they already had been
photographed custom italian suits. i cannot imagine for what reason. english tailoring is always better than italian tailoring at least for my body shape. >> paul manafort is the first person caught up in special counsel's probe to go to trial, it will focus on allegations of financial crimes committed long before his brief then questions about possible collusion with the russians which was the original goal of special counsel when appointed. >> do you want to weigh in at all? >> i wear the same thing. >> thank you. attorney general jeff sessions announces a religious liberty task force with one session -- to attack lgbt queue people and other minorities. kelly shackle berg, of first liberty institute is one of the groups the left says been given a license to discriminate.
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religious liberty task was declares holy war on lgbt people. let's talk about it with ceo and president of first liberty institute. one of the groups the left says has a license to attack minorities and lbj t people. how they respond to that characterization? >> bazaar, kind of silly hysteria. anybody who watched with the attorney general said, what they did today, they simply are falling through on protecting religious freedom for everybody, people of all faithss, use of people of all faiths. some of these groups are subsist with their issue that they think everything is about it. this is about freedom and this follows up, the president started with promises about religious freedom, and executive order and the attorney general asked the attorney general to give guidance to all the departments, federal agencies and that is what the attorney general did in october, 20
guidelines and they were excellent. i have been doing religious freedom work for a quarter of a century and you know the difference between a political move, those were solid and this is the next step. what happened today. >> more from the daily beast, if you're opposed to marriage equality or dislike lgbt people, the trump administration just a few the green light to go ahead and refuse to serve them in your business or help them with their medical care. if and lgbt arson once to need your service no problem, tell them to shove off, the attorney general is right behind you. the same article talked about the fact this is all about christians who do not need protection in the united states. >> divorced from reality, nothing the guidelines talked about. this is about freedom. some of these groups are subsist their issue that they think people shouldn't have a right to have differing opinions. >> the baker case, the supreme court, who said i will serve people, i do serve them all the time, won't craft a custom cake for them. they say he is a big it and they
are protecting bigots. >> people have different beliefs about same-sex marriage in this country and something all-americans agree on his people are of a right to have different beliefs and that is religious freedom protected. the problem is these guidelines done by the attorney general, that doesn't mean they are being implemented. we have a lot of problems, like general mattis didn't have the memos of these military cases, i think of chaplains who got a bronze star, awarded the meritorious service award 5 times in his career is about to be thrown out because he is following the regulations use supposed to. that should not be happening. people think i'm making this up. go look at what is happening. this is why the task force which takes people that are part of
the doj saying let's make sure we are focused on making sure these are implemented throughout the federal government, great for people of all faith or no faith at all because it protects everyone's writable before they believe. >> people want to check out what the attorney general had to say, talked about cases protecting jews, muslims, all kinds of different faiths and he says that is what mrs. about. you always have interesting cases. time for where in the world, the turkish president responding to the threat of us sanctions, warning the us could lose isn't your partner if it does not change its attitude. british officials admitting there wasn't a single christian among the 1112 syrian refugees it resettled the first 3 months of this year, britain's immigration agency rejected four questions recommended by the un high commissioner for refugees and only agreed to resettle muslims.
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>> there are a couple new clues in the search for missing college student who went out for a jog 12 days ago but hasn't been seen since. a look at new evidence. >> a number of widespread searches for molly tibbetts, in farms, cornfields and sheds. the idea that she went missing on july 18th while out for a jog. it is possible she made it back to her boyfriend's home today she vanished. a relative told the local news station investigators say tibbetts laptop might show she was doing homework into the night after her jog. her boyfriend claims she sent him a snapshot picture the night she vanished that appeared to have been taken inside. police have not named any
suspects and are being cautious about most details saying releasing too much information will compromise their investigation including signs of forced entry at the home she was saying and investigators obtained any information from her fit bid which could reveal her exact gps location at heart rate when she went missing. she claims she was the first offer red flags and she did not respond one of her texts and did not show up for work. >> i noticed i texted her good morning and i got a hold of all her friends and family. >> they are confident in the timeline they created but have not released to the public. how police combed the area and pleading for any tips or information. >> she is about to stop -- start her sophomore year at the university of iowa, 5 foot 2, brown hair, brown eyes, beautiful smile. >> reporter: there was a man spotted taking pictures of female joggers and neighboring
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A recap of the day's news.
when they're presented with a case, opulence meets arrogance, they tend to sit up and take note. i can tell you a very quick story, don, where i had a case like this where we executed a search warrant out on wone of or c co-conspirator's homes in a recode case. as the fbi agents were taking those suits as evidence, they opened up the jackets, and in each breast pocket of each suit, $10,000 grand cash here, $10,000 grand cash here. and no matter what suit that conspirator put on for the night, he was ready for a $20,000 night on the town. that kind of evidence really grabs a jury. >> wow. interesting. i wish i had magic suits like that in my closet where the money just magically appears i'm saying. jennifer, judge ellis blocked prosecutors from showing the jury pictures that document manafort's opulent lifestyle saying they were not relevant.
the photos were later entered into the jury to show, and released to the public. what is the evidence, other than someone is questionable about their fashion sense or that they spend their money frivolously. >> yeah, i think judge ellis is trying to do two things, one just to move the trial along. he's very interested in getting this finished as quickly as possible, so the more things you show to the jury, the longer it takes. i think also, he's trying to avoid prejudicing the defendant. you know, if there's a conviction here, there will be an appeal. and the judge will have wanted to be careful about overdoing, about allowing the prosecutors to guild the lily by not only putting all of this into evidence, but showing the jury every single picture and really emphasize i emphasiziing the way he spent hs money was prif loufrivolous and freed. i think the judge is being careful. >> greed. you said a good word. trying to show greed. ding, ding, ding, ding. i just got it. thank you. thank yup. great answer there, jennifer. thank you, everyone. i appreciate it.
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. president trump increasingly under pressure over the mueller investigation with the midterms looming, and rudy giuliani, the president's defender in chief, says this. >> i say this in my role, not as a lawyer, but as a concerned citizen and republican, but this election is going to be about impeachment or no impeachment. >> cnn's senior legal analyst is david gergen, he's here. also cnn political commentators -- oh, political analyst. joan walsh and alice stewart are here as well. thank you so much for joining us, everyone. >> hi, don. >> david, i want to start with you. rudy giuliani says the upcoming elections are going to be on impeachment or not impeachment. do you agree with that?
>> i think they're fundamentally going to be a referendum on donald trump as president more than impeachment, per se. for example, i can imagine a great number of people voting, especially democrats, voting for -- to take the house back, but saying, let's go slow on this impeachment business. you know, maybe the voters ought to decide that. there's a big -- there's a big group of people in the democratic party who feel that the party would be a lot healthier if it let voters ultimately decide in 2020 whether they want donald trump in or out. >> i've heard supporters and conservative broadcasters say, oh, they think it's just the tactic by democrats who say, oh, we don't want to look at impeachment now because, but then once, if they do take over the house, they're going to want to impeach him. i would think that lawmakers would take that seriously because it is very dangerous, i think, to try to remove a sitting president from office, right? >> sure. it's very difficult. >> and it's very difficult. the better precedent to be set is to vote him out, where people -- where the people
decide on the presidency rather than impeachment. >> impeachment is there for a reason, don. i don't think i can go there. i don't know, i'm not ready to say he should be impeached. i don't think the democrats should take it off the table because then they're not doing their jobs. i mean, i'm very interested, if they take the house back, we see jerry nadler as the chair of judiciary, we see adam schiff as the chair of house intelligence. they get subpoena power. they learn more. i'm not predicting they're going to do it, but it's got to be a possibility. that's why it's there. >> and alice is here as well. we won't forget about you, alice. don't worry about it. >> don -- >> it's a possibility. listen, if you don't have 67 votes in the senate, it's a futile exercise and the country -- you're going after th him for the sake of making headlines or really have something to say? you know, it may be better to wa wait. >> aliec, i know you want to weigh in. i have a question about juligi i giuliani. >> it's a mistake to think about this election would be about impeachment. it's about employment. >> my question was, you think
it's ultimately a political question, no? >> i don't see -- i see voters are looking for at employment and jobs than the economy. and i think republicans, and democrats, at this stage of the game, to even be discussing impeachment with regard to how we're going to approach the midterm is a huge mistake. we should all sit back, let mueller do the investigation and let the chips fall where they may. i think democrats are doing a tremendous disservice if they use that as talking point leading into the midterms. >> alice, they're not. >> that's what i'm saying, if that's where they go. >> i think the point today was rudy giuliani used it as a talking point. that's what's interesting. he thinks it gets out trump's base. he says they're going to take this president away, going to treat him badly, they're going to get rid of him and he thinks that mobilizes hisily mobilize the democratic base. it's a strong anti-trump vote. i'll call it that. i won't call it pro-impeachment. i'll go with david. >> there's a difference. >> there's a strong anti-trump
vote. when giuliani does that, he's the one playing politics with it, actually. >> alice said, i'm paraphrasing here, said we should let the mueller investigation may out and not it's the wrong strategy to bring it in now, but then the president tweets, it's time for, you know, the attorney general to end the investigation. >> exactly. you know, this notion that they're trying to have it both ways. i think most people are, you know, see through that. i think that there's a degree to which overall the trump administration, to use a george w. bush ism, misunderestimates the intelligence of the american people. they're playing us as fools. people see that. >> don, i think to reiterate, i want to make it clear, i think it'd be wrong for democrats and republicans, i'm including the trump administration as well, to use this as a wedge issue leading into this election, r it should be -- it certainly should be off the table, and i think to quote trey gowdy, if you're
innocent, act like it. and i think a lot of what we saw today with the tweets and what giuliani has said, these are not, in my view, the actions of someone who, you know, truly has a clear conscience in this regard. and i think we're better served as they have said, if they're truly cooperating with this investigation, it's important to do it in word and in deed. >> right. >> i think you were clear about both sides should use it and i'm glad you said that. i was going to ask you what you'd say to the president and i think you'd say exactly what you just said there on air to the president if he was sitting here. >> yeah, i think what we're seeing today in that tweet, in my view, i think the president is a little up in arms over a face to face with mueller, and things are getting closer and the investigation is narrowing in, and it's causing a concern. but at the end of the day, the real issue here is russian interference in our election. we don't know if there was any influence, the vote, we don't know if there was any collusion, but that's what we need to do as
americans and as an administration, let's find out about russian interference in our election. >> joan, you look at the president, his fiery tweets over the last 48 hours, he's clearly feeling the pressure from the mueller investigation. >> right. >> from manafort. from cohen. >> i mean, manafort, cohen, rudy giuliani put on the table a new piece of information that there might have been a planning meeting for the june 9th meeting that rick gates was at. they now know more -- they appear to know more about what mueller has from rick gates and that's scaring them. so, you know, people all day were guessing, you know, is it that he got the news about muelle mueller? he want s to ask about obstruction of justice, is it cohen? cohen's gone into the background. i can't believe it. cohen is the least of our conversation right now. >> it will come back around. >> it will definitely come back around, you know, or is it something that rick gates has said? and watching the manafort trial. i mean, all of this is closing in on him. those are the tweets of a crazy
person. those are very, very deranged tweets. >> don, i've been sitting here most the time looking at don's threads and wondering how is it possible to spend $1 million on clothing over five years? >> i know, don dresses so well. i don't think he's spending that much money. there's no ostrich. there's not a stitch of ostrich on him. >> i don't have pockets that have $10,000. >> are i love that. >> i want a magic coat, too, don. >> right, don't we all? we want it legal. >> yes, we do, alice, right. >> not be greedy. >> we have a lot to talk about, and we'll do that when we come back. don't go anywhere. i visualize travel rewards.
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so as president trump hits the campaign trail ahead of the midterms, he could be facing more pressure than ever in the comes months. back with me, david gergen, joan walsh, alice stewart. let me explain that. imagine this. this is the reporting. cnn is reporting that president trump is nervous that democrats are going to take the house in the upcoming midterms so he's going to step out, step up the number of rallies that he's participating in, that he's doing. but i want you to take a look at this, all of these major events. i want to get them. canyon imagine, th you imagine right before, right during the midterms, right? you have a manafort trial, this is the first one. there's another one this summer. the mueller investigation. possible government shutdown. you have confirmation hearings going on for supreme court justice pick. can you imagine, so, right in the midterms, can you imagine what voters are going to be facing, can you imagine what we're going to be facing on the news? can you imagine what voters are going to be facing as they go to vote? >> they're going to have a very clear choice. it's going to be very clear. there's going to be chaos in the
administration. >> you don't think that will be exhausting and so overwhelming that they'll be flooded with so much information that they really won't be certain? >> i don't think so. i mean, you know, i covered the virginia race in 2017, and things have been crazy for a whil while. we're the frogs in the boiling water. we don't quite realize it. think it's motivating to people on both sides, but i think more so for democrats. >> david? >> i think it's time for everybody to get a rest in august. you have to buckle year seat belts for the fall. we're going to have one hell of a fall. i think most voters have a pretty clear view in their own mind about whether they approve or disapprove of donald trump. you know, he has a base that's been very strong. it's almost like a cult. but he also has a ton of people out there who hate him and think he's the worst thing that ever happened. and, you know, i think a lot of things are going to come up this fall that may jolt you one way or another, but i actually think we're pretty well settled in what camp most people find themselves in. i don't think they're going to
change camps. >> even with the outcomes of all of these things happening -- >> what could really jolt it possibly is if mueller comes with a smoking gun, if there's something there as there was with nixon when you have a tape, which convinced everybody he has to go. on both sides of the aisle. but so far, there's -- we see no evidence that that's what's coming. >> alice stewart, this is what president trump said today about possibly forcing a government shutdown. watch this, please. >> here you are suggesting that you'd be willing to, maybe you would talk about shutting down the government if that's what it took to get this wall built. >> it's like pulling teeth. getting these guys to -- to get it done is -- and you have to idea how tough i've been, and i say, hey, if you have a shutdown, you have a shutdown, but whether it's before or after. but i actually think it's a great campaign issue. i think it would be great bef e before. >> wait, wait, alice, hold on. i wish you guys could have seen david's expression. david, why are you so
exasperated by this? >> i don't understand why the question will he shut down the government or not is a good campaign issue or bad campaign issue. he's president of the united states. he ought to govern on the merits. that's what we elect him for. we don't send him in there to take a joyride about his politics and whether he's up or down, everybothing like it. to see everything through that prism demeans the president and makes him less effective as a president. >> alice, do you agree? do k you think it's a good idea or bad idea? >> it's a terrible idea. clearly, if he wants to throw red meat at his base, sure, go out there and talk about building the wall and mexico's going to pay for it. that didn't happen. but clearly that is an issue reinforcing his immigration policies. that's going to help generate support amongst his base which is great. if you notice when he talked about this the other day, he was emphatic with he's okay with the government shutdown, then he follow edwas followed up with a question, he said i'm open for negotiation, that's not a red line. i think this is a way of him once again putting that issue back on the table and he has
walked that back a little bit. he's saying, look, you know, we can wait and push this back, not in september but maybe consider this possibly in december. so this is -- this is clearly him flex bing his muscle on this issue. i don't see that happening before the midterm. he understands the consequences of that and republicans aren't going to let that happen. >> alice, also he's on rush limbaugh, right? >> right. >> he knows the audience there. >> right. rush wants -- >> we did a segment the other night, i said the midterms are clearly all -- it's all about him. >> right. >> right? >> well, he's making it that way. he thinks that's good for him but that's really about his ego and what feels good. he's not going to shut down the government. he's going to totally cave to mcconnell and ryan. he's just talking ing to his friend, rush limbaugh. it was frightening to listen to. i don't think he has the courage to do it. >> don, you also have to consider the fact that he's got the house and the senate in his control right now. and if he wants money for that wall, now is the time to do it. i'll admit, there is a slight
possibility we could lose the house and if that's the case, he is never going to get his money for that wall. so now's a good time to push that issue -- >> wouldn't get the wall, maybe some of his supporters will say you promised us the wall and you didn't get it. >> also you promised mexico would pay. let's never forget that as he's demanding to shut down our government or something mexico is supposed to pay for. >> president obama came out with a list of over 80 candidates he's supporting for the midterms. surprisingly, obama did not endorse alexandria ocasio cortez. what do you think was behind that, david? >> i was surprised. >> you were? >> i was surprised because -- >> you think it's a whole socialist. >> yeah, the backlash -- it does suggest that president obama is going to be much more in favor of someone who's a center left candidate than a left-left candidate. i think he's going to be -- i mean, this is a clear move many for toward the left center when he didn't embrace this woman. the fact is she does represent a voice in the matter that's very,
very important and i would think, joan, that she -- the only way democrats are going to win is have -- win in 2020 is to have two wings. >> right. >> a modern wing and liberal wing. >> in her district, she's a woman. he didn't endorse dianne feinstein. what i see on that list is a lot of people who need his boost. alexandria ocasio cortez is going to win. >> i just want to read this before we run out of time. this is a tweet by the former president. appears that he's jabbing, taking a jab at strutrump. he said "i'm confident together they'll strengthen this country we love by restoring opportunity. upholding our commitment to justice, responsibility, and the rule of law. first they need our votes." . >> well, let's hope he's a little more successful in his endorsement this time. you have to remember, during his administration, democrats lost 1,000 seats. so let's hope his support for
these candidates is a lot more helpful. i think as he said, in this is the first wave of his endorsements. >> right. >> i think that some of these, especially cortez, may possibly get is in the second wave. she's made a few missteps. there's a huge learning curve with regard to foreign policy. i think if she shows that she's doing her homework, she may get on the second list. >> e yyeah. you think she's a clear winner, you think? >> slight. i ha absolutely. >> i have no doubt. >> she's a winner. is the elizabeth warren wing of the party a winner? >> that's a question we'll have to ponder. thank you, all. >> my mouth is open. >> alice, thanks, joan, thanks, david, i appreciate it. when we come back, a surprising prediction from this african-american pastor. >> this is probably going to be the -- i'm going to say this, the most pro-black president that we've had in our lifetime. >> oh, as we say down in louisiana, there's mo. is this at&t innovations? yeah, wow..this must be for one
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political commentator symone sanders. also quentin james, founder and executive director of collective pac. and joseph pinion, a republican strategist and community activist. okay. good evening, guys. >> good to be here. >> it good evening. >> symone, safe to say you don't agree with pastor scott. >> oh, my goodness, first of all, i know folks from ohio. they don't know him. i'm just wondering what pastor scott is, in fact, a pastor of. nevertheless, don, i just, i think that flawed just does not accurately describe pastor scott's comments, but flawed is what they were. >> and that's -- >> and incorrect. >> you'll leave it at that. >> i'll leave it there. >> so, joseph, what do you make of his criticism of a former president, barack obama, saying that he didn't feel that he had to work for the black community? >> look, i think that that's a kind of colloquialism that is kind of the go-to now, people assume, again, in some cases, rightfully so, that democrats
don't necessarily have to work for the votes of african-americans. having said that, you know, i think that, you know, perhaps in many ways, more so than the actual message of the administration, the messengers that surround the administration, i say these are not people that are actually supporters of president trump, but more almost like trumportuni trumportunists, people who are not actually in line with the trump administration but willing to kind of ride this trump thing out and see where it take them and their bank accounts. i think ultimately, i remember that old malcolm x phrase, sincerity is my credential. the reality is you have to have a will to have impacts in communities of colors and actually the trusts to impact those communities and you're not going to have that trust when you have individuals who are more content to see what's in it for them than to actually have credibility with the communities they claim to want to serve. >> yeah. listen, there's also, i mean, i think, one, wouldn rk, what did flawed, s is ymone? >> flawed. that's my word of the night, don. >> the former president faced
headwinds that this president and other presidents didn't face because as the first black president, he would get criticized when he did things specifically or targeted the black community and they'd say he's not the president of black america. he's the president of all americans. then they said, well, he, you know, they criticized him for tackling race issues. they called him a race baiter. so some different issues there. this president, you know, doesn't have to deal with some of that. so, quinton, i want to talk about this new investigation. this is by the center for public integrity. they find that on a list of top political donors, this is since 2009, there's only one black person. why do you think there is? why are there no koch brothers or sheldon adelsons? >> don, wealth works differently in our community. a lot of black high net worth donors are focused on education, on family. i think we just saw yesterday lebron james opening an amazing school here in akron, ohio, but i think the challenge that we
have to speak up about is this reality that, look, we need people of high net worth, african-americans, to understand power in this country. you know, really amazing that, again, we have this amazing new school in akron, but, you know, the akron public schools system has an annual budget of $300 million. so the opportunity to impact public policy, contributing the candidates to organizations like ours and others, can have a much bigger impact. i think for so long many people haven't seen politics as a way to build wealth in our community. unfortunately, people like the koch brothers and others see government as an opportunity to build more wealth for themselves. that really isn't what government is for, but it's really the tradition that many of us folks who are, you know, so vested in politics have really benefited from. >> i'm glad you mentioned lebron because i spent some time there this week. i have to commend him.
put up the video of him and his school. but, listen, there it is. i look like -- by the way, i am 6 feet tall. i look like i'm 5'2" standing next to him. he's really tall. but, listen, there are, symone, he's doing a great thing. i'm wondering if this is a lesson for, you know, wealthy african-americans, wealthy people of color, that they should do similar things. there's no shortage of black celebrities willing to give them an endorsement or appear at rallies for them. like jay-z, beyonce, oprah. and they donate to political causes as well, but not to the extent that the larger culture does. how much does that really help, though? >> well, so i think that the contributions of folks like lebron james, oprah, beyonce, jay-z, folks on down the line that we haven't even mentioned that they've made are, in fact, significant contributions. i do think that's something to quentin's point, folks seen engaging politically as way to build wealth. what the koch brothers, for
example, have done, they've built large entities around in the political sphere focused on, frankly, sh moving legislators, whether they be state-elected officials, governors, on up to members of congress to, in fact, do their bidding and advocate for things that benefit their bottom lines and other areas. and in the african-american community, i would even say maybe in some of the latin communities, if you will, other communities of color, we have not necessarily gotten to that place for a number of reasons that quentin mentioned. the black white gwealth gap and white wealth gap are large. so i think there is still work to be done to close the wealth gap in communities but also there has to be some education around, you know, what engaging politically can mean for our communities as a whole. some people don't feel getting engaged in the political arena, having their name on a
disclosure is their way to get in the game. get in the game, you all, we need you. >> there's example after example of people putting their money where their mouths are on both sides of the aisle and they're getting -- they get things from the president, from the administration, from lawmakers, when they do donate them large sums of money. so i want you to ponder this question. can you imagine -- a black president of the united states, a black speaker of the house. could happen. we'll talk about it. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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speaker. ba a lot to discuss, guys. this is what politico said about possible black representatives who could replace pelosi. here they are. jim clyburn of south carolina, currently number three house democrat. hakeem jeffries, cedric richmond, elijah cummings and marsha fudge of ohio. how realistic do you think this is, and who would be your pick, symone? >> so, i am fans of all the folks equally, so, i'm not in a position to comment on that, don, but what i will say is, i think it's extremely realistic. there has been some decent in the caucus around leader pelosi. one could argue the case for new leadership if the democratic caucus, but someone needles to demonstrate they can raise the type of money that nancy pelosi has been able to raise. if someone comes along to do that, there could be an appetite for perhaps a challenge. >> so, quentin, i said before the break, we had a black president, yet to have a black
speaker. you think it can be done? >> not only, you know, can it be done, i think it probably will be done. so, this year in the midterms, talking about the possibility of moving the black caucus from 48 members to 52, 54 even, depending on how the elections go. so, there's no way to get to 218 votes in the caucus without the cbc. and so, i think they're in a great position to determine if the leader will be one of their own members or who the leader will be for the entire caucus. >> so, joseph, you know this president attacks black people in power all the time. kneeling nfl players, congressional members. how do you think he'd react to a black speaker of the house? >> i think the reality of this administration is that we have demonstrated instances where the president has lashed out at individuals. that's just in his nature. i don't think he's going to lash out anymore at a black speaker of the house than he would at nancy pelosi. but i will say, part of this
issue is kind of wound up in the fact of how recent history is when coit comes to the realitie of black and brown people. last topic, we were talking about why don't black people donate more? oprah's only been wealthy for about ten years, only been rich for 20 years. >> with all due respect, people call it new money, right? it's not generational. >> it's not generational wealth. when you start talking about why, number one, there are people of color who want to see something like this, it's because of the fact that the scars are so recent. and so part of the messaging issue that we've had with this administration is dealing with the fact that people need to understand that what happened didn't happen too long ago. i think that's something we can focus on moving forward and seeing how we can have something that makes sense moving forward. >> symone, remember roy moore? he was depeopfeated because bla women showed up. should their influence be recognized in congress? >> absolutely. but i think the problem, don,
has been that black women have continually had to make their case to not just the democratic party, but i think everyone, about why we are so important. the influence that we have and how vital we are, not only to the conversation, but the movement. luckily, within, you know, recent times, if you will, unfarntly, people have just now started to wake up to the influence and the importance of black women. so, i hope that we codify that recognition in the leadership, throughout the democratic caucus. >> quentin, i'm up against the clock here, but nancy pelosi says, i am not going anywhere. do you see an ugly battle shaping up? > >> i don't think it will be ugly. when you call the leading black woman in congress un-american, you kind of put your foot in your mouth a little bit. so, again, i'm excited about the chances to see the first black speaker of the house and i think we're going to see it. >> thank you all. have a good evening. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. saving on this!
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